How do we really know that the Illuminati is real?

Originally posted by unityemissions
Don't worry about any one group of people. Focus on the big picture.

I agree with this statement.

One specific secret group of people may be used to help powerful people connect with each other but the big issue is the organized groups of powerful people all over the world.

Whatever you want to call it.

The Trilateral Commission
The Bilderberg Group
The Committee on Foreign Relations

These groups aren't even secret but they are able to stay out of media spotlight because of their influence.

There is no China Vs America
There is no Black Vs White
There is no Democrat Vs Republican

It is the powerful Vs the uninformed
The rich Vs the poor.

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty if an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries"--

David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting
in June of 1991

reply to post by Jezus


Okay, so what seems so evil about that statement. There are obviously a whole lot of things that the ignorant people can't comprehend, like say .. climate change, & population control measures. The people are too stupid to govern their selves, else this would be the case. Obviously, we need rulers to steer civilization towards a sustainable path. It's not even a question of possibility, this is quite the absolute.

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by Jezus

 

Okay, so what seems so evil about that statement. There are obviously a whole lot of things that the ignorant people can't comprehend, like say .. climate change, & population control measures. The people are too stupid to govern their selves, else this would be the case. Obviously, we need rulers to steer civilization towards a sustainable path. It's not even a question of possibility, this is quite the absolute.

Well like you said you have to look at the big picture.

Are these people evil? Maybe...maybe not.

Do you they manipulate information to keep people ignorant? Of course.

Don't people have the right to know who what is going on?

reply to post by Jezus


Yes they manipulate information. I believe they do this for the majorities own good. The people who are intelligent enough to see through their lies may do so if they have the moral courage to follow through. I believe the people willingly choose to remain ignorant. Their own shadow scares them, and with good reason. We just don't see ourselves as we truly are.

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by Jezus

 

Yes they manipulate information. I believe they do this for the majorities own good..

Ignorance is never good.

They do it to remain in power.

reply to post by Jezus


No, this is only part of the reason.

Like I said, the people willingly choose to remain ignorant.

Besides, most people are incredibly foolish, and lack even the intellectual capacity for basic inferential reasoning skills.

Originally posted by unityemissions
Like I said, the people willingly choose to remain ignorant.

How can you say that when the people are led to believe that decisions are made democratically?

Why should they be responsible for finding out that the "Bilderberg Group" exists when the media pretends to be made up of real news organizations?

You don't think that those claiming to be journalists have a responsibility to point out who is really making decisions rather than keep "promises of discretion for almost forty years" ?

Some people are not ignorant but just naive and believe that people are what they claim to be.

Originally posted by Jezus

You don't think that those claiming to be journalists have a responsibility to point out who is really making decisions rather than keep "promises of discretion for almost forty years" ?

The media has ALWAYS been...and always will be....about propaganda. Why? Because the media is run by human beings who each have their own perspectives and opinions. That means anything that is reported isn't absolute.

I get irritated when people go around complaining about TLC or Bildebergers or Illuminati or whomever. They complain that we, the people, have no power and are herded around like sheep. Personally, I think this is a cop-out. These complaints come from people who want to play armchair quarterback because they are too lazy (or ignorant) to get up off the couch. You ALWAYS have a choice. Get thee educated and take the initiative and effort to learn about those issues, worlds, networks, communities by being in them or working with them. Maybe once you earn your way to the inside you will have a different perspective than the armchair quarterback who is glad to offer his or her uninformed and speculative opinion.

Just sayin'....

reply to post by CIAGypsy


How does any of your rambling comment excuse the media's agreement to secrecy?

They pretend to be objective news stations but don't report on the meetings of the most powerful people in the world.

They willfully keep people ignorant.

Propaganda isn't just a difference of opinion, it is a purposeful manipulation of information.

Lying by omission is still lying.

Is the Illuminati real.....yes but some people prefer to call them TPTB(the powers that be) or the elites, but when you see occultic practices such as mock sacrifices at Bohemian Grove with the purpose of trying to conjure up a force and then use magik with this force to influence more power and greed and you see things such as the bilderberger group working together to find ways to mind control the masses by coming up with fads and trends in unison that they all have a stake in like you scratch my back i'll scratch yours and so on, well yea there's a group of elites and business whos ultimate goal is power and you can call them the Illuminati if you want.

Originally posted by Jezus
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

How does any of your rambling comment excuse the media's agreement to secrecy?

They pretend to be objective news stations but don't report on the meetings of the most powerful people in the world.

They willfully keep people ignorant.

Propaganda isn't just a difference of opinion, it is a purposeful manipulation of information.

Lying by omission is still lying.

Do you think 200 years ago...or 1000 years ago...that "media" reported fully (or truthfully) what the aristocracy was doing? If so, you need a serious reality check. The truth is that all media or passing of "news, rumor, gossip" is based upon the individual perspective of the person passing the information. You will never get REALITY which is a mighty different thing from "the truth." You can have two people see something from their own perspective and tell the "truth" but tell two completely opposite stories. Therefore, you should always take everything you read and hear with a grain of salt that it is only a human perception.

So, if you don't want to take the effort to discern what really happens in our world by going to the source, then you should be prepared to swallow a healthy dose of someone else's perception which may or may not be misinformation. You're going to get hit and miss. It doesn't mean there is always some evil plot out there to subjugate you. Do you really think the people in the TLC or Bildebergers personally care what YOU think? There are always ways to find out what these groups are doing...but you have to be willing to take the right path to put yourself in the line of credible information. It takes time and effort - that's just a requirement for the priviledge. And that, plain and simple, DOESN'T happen through the mainstream media. So what....get over it. Your sense of entitlement is mind boggling.

reply to post by CIAGypsy


Again, none of this explains why is is acceptable for the media to purposefully keep people ignorant.

You claim this has always happened, I agree, but getting to the truth requires stopping the manipulation of the media.

Originally posted by CIAGypsy
There are always ways to find out what these groups are doing...but you have to be willing to take the right path to put yourself in the line of credible information

Exactly...

Part of this involves calling out those who claim to be news organizations for helping the elite organize in secrecy.

reply to post by Jezus


Perhaps your misconception is in the role of the mainstream media. They are not there to "report the truth" and "be a watchdog" for the average person. They have NEVER held that role...even if they tried to sell it for self-serving purposes. They are a business, like any other. A propaganda machine for the highest bidder or those who meet their political or social agenda. They are in the game of making a profit for their owners/shareholders. So why would you expect them to do anything other than the financial and political game they are playing? You can't expect a tiger to change his stripes, so why not just accept its who they are and move on?

If you want to find a credible source of information about what is "really" going on, you need to think out of the box. Think in terms of the bell curve. Do you know what a bell curve really is? It means the majority follow some "average" or "status quo" while a small percentage are equally either on the down side (low) or up side (high). If you want the privilege of being "in the know," you can't follow what everyone else is doing. That's why I said it takes education and effort to EARN the privilege. There is NOTHING that stops you from earning that privilege but yourself.

That may not be the way you WANT the world to work, but that's the way it has always worked and will continue to work.

Originally posted by CIAGypsy
reply to post by Jezus

 

Perhaps your misconception is in the role of the mainstream media. They are not there to "report the truth" and "be a watchdog" for the average person. They have NEVER held that role...even if they tried to sell it for self-serving purposes. They are a business, like any other. A propaganda machine for the highest bidder or those who meet their political or social agenda.

So it is acceptable for the media to purposefully keep the public ignorant of important issues...just because that is what they have always done?

I didn't force the media to pretend they were reporting the truth or a watchdog for the average person. This is what they willingly represent themselves as.

Lying by omission is still omission.

They willingly keep people in the dark about extremely important issues.

Just because this has always been the cases doesn't make it right.

Originally posted by CIAGypsy
That's why I said it takes education and effort to EARN the privilege. There is NOTHING that stops you from earning that privilege but yourself.

There is also nothing to stop me from exposing the media for complying to the secrecy of the most powerful people in the world.

I don't have to join these groups to recognize it is wrong is manipulate the media and prevent democratic decision making.

reply to post by unityemissions


Yes. From what I know, what you say is truth. But there is another thing that people fail to continually mention, and that is responsibility. We can't just sit around and think this is some sort of evil/good battle that will solve itself on its own. One has to bear their own cross, take the responsibilty for their own wrongful actions, sustain theirselves in adversity (& protect their selves from abusers), and head on their own journey of self discovery with strength and determination. It is surely known that the way of righteousness, enlightenment, and truth take lots of work, and that it is easy to just resort to the consensus of laziness ("the easy way out", getting by with the least effort without a care in the world, lacking love and higher insight of reality) that is prevalent in our society. I am not saying that you did not already know this, I am just throwing this out there for anyone here who needs some clarification.

Hanging on the idea of there being "ONE Illuminati" is where we are getting lost. If there was just one, it would be game over for everyone outside of it - all their objectives would be complete. I think we can take a look around the world today and ascertain that the current state of things leaves a lot to be desired by everyone, including the so-called Illuminati/s.

Every time someone develops a "business plan" they are conspiring to accomplish something - and that goes just as much for political/social/religious movements as it does for Microsoft or Google. There can be little doubt that there are people and organizations actively conspiring on global terms and for less than benevolent purposes.

Granted, there is compartmentalization and onion-like layers of hierarchy, but if we talking about hermetic organizations of any sort, "as above, so below" applies as much as anything. In this regard, we know and can see with virtually every "outer order" - whether the Masons, the OTO, Golden Dawn, Theosophical Society, etc. - that there are personality conflicts and schisms.

reply to post by Ruffian


Notice that no one has actually answered your question.

Because, like most things on ATS, it's all speculating about things that no one has any proof of, or even strong evidence for. Our brains are optimized for pattern detection - it's an essential survival ability. They're so good at it that they overdo it. This is why when you look at clouds you see animals, buildings or cartoon characters. We have a kind of acoustic ceiling tile filled with random holes, and when I stare up at them I see lines, faces, swirls and other patterns, even though I know rationally that the holes are random.

Most things on ATS are just the pattern recognition features of our brain working overtime. There is nothing that resembles true evidence that the Illuminati or any similar über-organization secretly controlling the world's affairs actually exist.

reply to post by plnelson


The "Illuminati" is just a label for what is very well documented...

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by Jezus

 

Like I said, the people willingly choose to remain ignorant.

A.M.E.N.

Personally, I think this whole "Illuminati" conspiracy is nothing more than "have-nots" being jealous of the "haves" and engaging in class envy. People love to play armchair quarterback when it costs them nothing and no energy to do so....