Revealing Self-Test!! (Fun, too.)

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
reply to post by Beast Of Gevaudan

 

I didn't like the way she made herself a victim of the universe, and I certainly disliked her inability to use any kind of power, other than a sexual power.

But.... I bet if the shoe was on the other foot, and D had been the one to strike such a deal, she would have listened to him, disapproved but understood, and put it behind them. In the long run, she would have been happy to have him back because she loved him.

They would have had a nice dinner of flounder and crab claws, and then make-up sex.

edit on 9/28/2010 by ladyinwaiting because: Because women don't expect men to be perfect. We know better.

There's no better sex than make up sex...well, maybe a conjugal visit.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


I like E. I bet E was far too busy collecting firewood, building a beacon and grilling kippers for breakfast to even know there was a soap opera raging in the back ground.

reply to post by sakokrap

Is merely allowing someone some of your charity a form of love?

Yes, it is.

We cannot love everyone. I see it all over ATS all the time, to love everyone. But I personally don't think this is possible. But it is possible to show kindness to everyone we meet, and to bring whatever we can to them, even if it is just a smile or a kind word; a nod of understanding, or a dollar in a donation's jar.

This is charity. And yes, it is an important form of love.

reply to post by EnlightenUp

ETA: After looking at the "official" keys, I suppose I'm in some disagreement about the metaphors. The farther down the list, the more they diverge.

I'm interested. What adjustments would you make?

Also, just so you will know, your rankings were the same as mine.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


or you can add the fact what the two islands can represent? Like picking which side you'd like to be on or etc.

Like left or right hemisphere of the brain, where one island (where A and D is) represents the left because they are building things. And the other (B, C, E) is the right, represent love and caring...i dunno just adding some guesses.

Maybe its just me, but I cant see a reason to like or dislike one above any of the others....they were all just doin what they thought was right, based on the information they had.

*eta* Ahh...Just found the key on page five. Wonder what that says about me?

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


A - Pragmatically trying to get everyone saved. Smarter allocation of resources.
E - Takes a rational yet caring approach to a screwed up situation.
D - Understandably hurt and offended, but seems unwilling to listen to the full story/gather his facts.
B - What a scumbag.
C - Flighty, irrational and quicker to prostitute herself than to build her own raft or try swimming.

Originally posted by blood0fheroes
Maybe its just me, but I cant see a reason to like or dislike one above any of the others....they were all just doin what they thought was right, based on the information they had.

*eta* Ahh...Just found the key on page five. Wonder what that says about me?

edit on 28-9-2010 by blood0fheroes because: addage

That you have no values? lol. Just joking. You probably just didn't want to take the time to really think about it.

Didnt read past the first page of replies but heres my list.

A - because its blue
E - because its green
C - because she is a neutral color pink
D - orange can be a downer
B - because his red letter suggested to me he should be liked the least.

reply to post by irate


Now that's a unique way of determining your rank, however I believe "A" was red. :puz"

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Did you give results yet?

reply to post by caucazoid69


Yip. The key is located on pages five, and eleven.

0^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0
Island #1...........................................Island #2
Inhabitants:.......................................Inhabitants
A....B.....C ...................................... D...and...E

1. I rank E highest since he took the girl in without conditions.
2. A is ranked second since he was attempting to provide everyone with help
3. I rank D 3 since he didn't even bother to ask why she did what she did.
4. C gave in to B lowering my respect for her greatly.
5. B is ranked lowest since he did not help her out unconditionally and requested her to do something that would infringe upon her relationship with D.

reply to post by GrOuNd_ZeRo


OT: Ground Zero, are you in Korea? If so, I just wanted to say hi, and take care! Hope you are having some excellent meals there.

I understand your ranking completely. Mine was almost the same, except for one.
Take care.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

ETA: After looking at the "official" keys, I suppose I'm in some disagreement about the metaphors. The farther down the list, the more they diverge.

I'm interested. What adjustments would you make?

I think I understood the symbolisms in terms of my own state of mind at the moment. It appeared somehow related to goal setting and attainment. The keys could include a range of possible associations.

B may represent power but he also represents exploitation and placing an artificial price tag on everything. He values profit. He's the anarcho-capitalist. He's the bankster.

C's actions did reveal some traits of B, D and E that would otherwise not have been known. C is both will and the desire, and the will driven by desire, which is unrestrained seeking of temporary gratifications. If it were to relate C to sex, I would relate her to it in the occult sense of the mind's gender aspects.

One thing I noticed later was my failure to realize D's that insomnia could likely have been due to C being separated from him. So, D received a harsh judgement which could be reflecive of my own judgemental tendencies. I could relate D to morality, in the sense that he seemed anti-moral, following a rigid, dogmatic set of rules instead of considering the reasons behind C's actions and her feelings about them. He was (some may think this is paradoxical) effete in the face of adversity. D is the fundamentalist.

E really felt, in my heart, more connected to true morality, one which must include a level of unconditional love and forgiveness. E did not pass harsh judgement on C but instead gave C an opportunity where she would have time to reflect upon her feelings and the consequences of her actions and their effects on others.

The rankings of A and E are a toss-up were I follow the instructions in a more lax manner. They have the best chance of remaining civil absent the coersive forces of government and social order; they are more evolved than the others. A is the technocrat, E is the philosopher king. They, together, are really an evolution of the antediluvian B.

Since we truely know so little about everyone, we are forced to fill many blanks about their characters. Under normal circumstances, I think I would simply keep observing rather than having highly-formed opinions about them. They just got shipwrecked and are presumably under abnormal stress so perhaps everyone is not acting how they normally would. On the other hand, is the stressful situation making manifest their true characters?

There are so many variables!

Also, just so you will know, your rankings were the same as mine.

Interesting...also for the same reasons?

Originally posted by RobertAntonWeishaupt
A - Pragmatically trying to get everyone saved. Smarter allocation of resources.

Doesn't care about anyone else, saving his own butt...

E - Takes a rational yet caring approach to a screwed up situation.

Saw his chance for "the move" to get long term P.... I don't see him offering crap to the other guy, AND went so far to live on the other side of the island not caring if the other guy lived or died, but hey a girl comes along and he is all cozy.

D - Understandably hurt and offended, but seems unwilling to listen to the full story/gather his facts.

One needs to ask the question as to why he did not built the raft first and go to her...no his lover had to, who was physically incapable and had to prostitute herself to make it happen...such a swell guy....

I bet he sat there in the shade fanning himself with a palm branch watching her fight her way to him for six hours. I’m starting to understand why the other guy went all the way to the other side of the island to get away from him…

Yep, he is a real keeper…

B - What a scumbag.

Yep kind of guy who would be looking at you like you were a porkchop once you all ran out of food.

C - Flighty, irrational and quicker to prostitute herself than to build her own raft or try swimming.

360 degree island and she just had to make love in the direction of her lovers island, oh, and the screaming of yes Yes YES sure didn't help...how else was her lover to know what those two dark shapes were, or did she do it in full daylight, standing up, with a flag strapped to her ass? Also she seemed to quickly move onto the next guy who would take care of her and we all know the story of what she would do for a raft, just think what she would do for food...

reply to post by EnlightenUp


I do not understand what it is about this that has people so unfettered. The values listed are very much the values they are. People are over thinking it and over analyzing the simplicity of this. They do not identify them as what they are because they view each with a coloring of their own making. Each of the five represents the value they are associated with perfectly they are stripped down to the bare bones of what they are.

What is morality without love and intelligence to mold it?
It is a rigid dogmatic strict sense of rules that has no feeling or compassion it knows no other behavior than right or wrong, it is judgmental. Pure black and white there is no gray.

What is sex when you remove morality and love from it? (and for the sake of argument one could simply call it desire and it still suit its purpose)

It is pure desire nothing more nothing less it does not have the capacity to judge right from wrong nor does it have the ability to consider whom it may hurt in the process of fulfilling its desire,.

What is power without morality or love to guide its use?

It is simply a state of you being able to provide what someone else needs or wants. It knows no bounds, it can be used benevolently or despotically without love or morality it will serve its own purpose to gain more power which is what it did in this story. It exerted itself to get power over sex and by doing so gained power over morality as well. It has no motive other than to perpetuate and increase itself.

What is intelligence without morality and love?

It is devoid of any feeling whatsoever, it doesn't stop to question whether it is right or wrong, it doesn't ask whom it may hurt in the process. It is singularly focused on achieving its goals. It may be for the betterment of all but what good is it if it alienates those around it? It doesn't stop to ask if it should do something it only thinks of if it can do something. it thinks it knows the best course of action and simply takes it. Even in the process of the story it went straight to fixing the radio equipment, it didnt stop to consider if it needed food or shelter, or if the others needed help to get those things it saw a challenge and went straight for it. Intelligence is not the same as wisdom.

What is love without any of the other factors in play?
It is patient, it is kind, it is selfless, it is not jealous..

Stripped down to their core all of them except love are pretty useless and self serving, they must temper one another to be at their best, left unchecked they all become a tyrant of one form or another. If i were to change any of the story id actually put love on its own island to further demonstrate what happens when it is removed from the others. beyond that the scenario is perfectly fine.

reply to post by Jovi1

If i were to change any of the story id actually put love on its own island to further demonstrate what happens when it is removed from the others. beyond that the scenario is perfectly fine.

Jovi, I am curious about what would happen if Love were alone on his own Island. My thoughts are going to it manifesting itself in love for nature, befriending and caring for all the little creatures, and the earth and sea.
I'm wondering, what were you thinking when you wrote this? I find it intriguing.

What do you believe would happen if Love were isolated? Thanks in advance.

To EnlightenUp: I enjoyed reading your comments, and see your wisdom. I would like to comment later, when I'm more awake.

On the face of it:

E. Kind and generous, but perhaps a bit of a sucker. In terms of survival in the situation, E would be a plus.

A.. Almost put A first. Went straight to work on radio to help the situation. Had the integrity to say no to a selfish, un-necessary request and stayed focused on the task which would benefit everyone. If I were choosing based on how they would best survive in this situation, A would definitely be first.

D. His reaction was natural. In fact despite C's rationale, he's better off distancing himself from this woman who is needy and selfish, good decision. In terms of survival, could have useful skills.

B. Stupid, amoral, opportunist. In terms of survival, has obvious skills.

C. The kind of woman I despise. Could have thought about how to help everyone but put her own selfish needs first. Exploitative, using her gender to get what she wants. Has watched too many Hollywood films, head filled with the poisoned romantic myth. Gets others to do things she could at least try to do herself. In terms of survival - a real liability.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting


Thanks for the post. Good fun.

I don't quite get C=sex. I would have changed those and had B as sex, because his motive was sex. And C as power, because her motives were to get what she wanted.

edit on 29-9-2010 by wcitizen because: (no reason given)