Obamacare goes into effect, side effects already appearing

Originally posted by Ceriddwen
reply to post by Jovi1

 

Absolutely. Do you really think that this will happen though? Getting a Congress person to stand against the majority to change this situation isn't going to happen. What can we do to get a majority of them to do it?

I don't know anymore really, I just don't. There is so much money floating around in Washington and getting people to realize that one party is exactly the same as the other isn't something likely to happen anytime soon. Even now you have so many people that do not realize that for the most part the simplest solutions are often times the best ones. Instead they come up with these exotic and complex schemes which by their very nature are designed to have leaks.

Anymore I don't see things getting better without bloodshed. We are running out of time for it to go any other way. We only have as long as there is enough money at the bottom to keep people housed and fed, after that is gone it is anyones guess what happens. Maybe if people quit letting other issues cloud the bigger problems we could get somewhere, but as long as they let their vote be decided by the candidates faith, views on gay marriage and abortion solely guide their vote nothing will change. By making our votes based on these issues we have probably cost ourselves people that were extremely qualified to do the job in favor of those least qualified.

I mean right now we are looking at an election where the party that has spent the last two years blocking and stopping everything that comes along is about to get back into control or at the very least exercise more blocking and stopping like never before. And you have people that are not only okay with this mentality but fully support and endorse it. This is not governance it is not leadership. Would your marriage work if you didn't compromise with your spouse? Does anything in life work if you are unwilling to make compromises? Then why on earth would you expect the Government to work without making them?

Right now the American people are caught in a massive love triangle in terms of where our relationship with our government stands. it is cheating on us with the wealthy whore down the block, it takes our money and gives her gifts with it. Takes our labor and says it is not enough, all the while we are on our hands and knees begging it to reconsider, pleading with it to not treat us this way, willing to believe the lies it tells so that it can keep us on hand in case of an emergency because the whore is only faithful as long as her interests are met she won't fight and die for it, but we will. And much like the selfish lover it won't know what it has until we are gone.

American medicine is a greedy cartel, just as it should be in a completely capitalistic economy.

"Screw you, I'm here to get rich," is a mantra we're hearing over and over again.

Once you are dependant on a system, such as conventional medicine, that system can and will rip you off.
Hospitals, doctors, medical schools, they're all part of this system, and they are being both funded and milked by the two deadly octopi, the pharmaceutical companies and the medical insurance companies.

If you want to stay in this system, the only way to get just prices for healthcare is to rip its balls off with the red-hot tongs of partially socialised medicine, as many countries around the world have done.

The other way is to kill the monopoly by looking for treatments outside the system. We are subjected to contant propagander to make us ridicule alternative treatments, because this is something greatly feared by the medical industry. Competition has always been the remedy for such rip-offs in a capitilist system, so go look for some!

Perhaps there's a natural cure for the poster with kidney stones which conventional medicine is too blinkered to find.

Strangely, the ones blaming Obama for the present mess of a health-care system are the ones who most vehemently opposed a more socialised solution which could have worked,

The life of a Republican:


Removing gay rights = good.

Tax cuts for the rich = good.

War that costs wealth and many US soldiers in the name of greed and oil = good.

Health Care = bad.

I'm not sure if I understand the logic of these people sometimes....do they even understand themselves?

reply to post by SeventhSeal

oh, healthcare is good for them!! they say so all the time, it's the best in the world!!!
think in the line of what puts money into the pockets of those who have lots of money, you might understand it a little better??

Back in the day they healed for free or basically free. Today? A simple checkup will cost you a couple hundred bucks.

With Obamacare prices rise.

Without Obamacare prices would rise twice as much.

Do the math folks!

When healthcare is left unchecked then it's the same thing as an IPOD. They will try to get the most money based on pure demand.

But here's what I don't understand. I can remove a kidney with a butter knife and toilet paper. I can do that for free if I had a buyer waiting for it. Why does it cost 500,000 for a doctor to do it? A black market buyer would pay 10,000 for a kidney.

Originally posted by snowspirit
. A couple of provinces charge premiums of about $60 per month per person. There are family rates, kids are covered til 18, then they are given their own plan, being adults now.

. If we decide to get a provincial plan, on top of our free healthcare, like blue cross insurance, to be covered for prescriptions, dental, eye care, and Everything, the most expensive I've seen was about $200 per person per month. There are also family rates.


And I don't really like our prime minister Harper very much, but even with his dictator like ways, he's starting to look better and better. That's scary in itself.

your first example from first hand knowledge insurance premiums
$60.mo X 12 mo = $720. YR


your second example, for the big spenders types insurance premiums
$200mo ZX 12 mo = $2400.oo YR


Now our Øbama-care law (forced upon us by a paid for congress) lists the insurance premiums
$1,500.oo YR or get fined for breaking the Law.

it seems the draconian health-care in the USA id twice as costly as the Canadian rate
but for the same or less coverage...
We can obviously see theres this BS propaganda that there is a reduction of costs... Only realized by the increase in scope of those covered?
Its all a lie... the costs of medicine and treatment is not less costly because there are 150,000,000 Americans paying into the progressive HCR... because 50,000,000 Canadians get better service for less money....

the 'Scale of Service' arguement is just another spin by the elites and illuminati of the shadow american ruling class