Being Gay isnt natural

What is it about people that makes everyone obsessed with turning non-issues into drama.

Do you really miss high-school all that much? Non-issues, beliefs due to spoon feeding, dramatizing, fighting, arguing, yeah; I thought that's what CNN and FOX were for.

I'm tolerate discussions on things I disagree with, but I'll straight out ignore a religious nut who comes in my face touting about the sin of homosexuality yada yada yada and leave him to his disapointement of not being heard. From that point I could care less if he starts crying to God saying I don't understand. Sure that's fine, keep telling yourself that.

Sure you meant no disrespect.

You think being gay is a crime against nature

You hate fat people, and claim they are all fat due to overeating

You have some serious moral issues

What we need to do is like, take them gays, and send them to an island somewhere, you know?

Like, gather them all together so they can spread their gayness to each other, leaving us good folk alone.

You know? So that we can remove them form the jean (sic) pool, coz it's so wrong. Then we can be free of their intolerance and hate, coz they're fixing to take over the world you know?

You know what, if I had to sit on a flight from London to New Zealand, I'd PAY to sit next to a gay person instead of a HOMOPHOBIC twit, spouting rubbish.

2010, not 1910!!

All the best to you (Gay, NON-GAY and everything in-between!), kiwifoot.

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
OP, if I were you I would just give up. A lot of ATS members are homosexuals. When you start a topic that explains your dislike for their lifestyle, they will snap at you, call you unintelligent, and call you many other names because you don't accept their disgusting life style, and then... they will even suggest that you are a homosexual yourself because you dislike them, and they erroneously think it is some type of repressed feelings.

Likeing and accepting homosexuality is the new fad, so even some heterosexuals will call you names because you don't fit in. It's like highschool all over again, if you don't like what everyone else likes, you are conisdered an outcast. Now, if you don't like homosexuality than you are an outcast. The homosexuals have successfully forced their lifestyle to be "cool", so don't ever talk against it or you will be ridiculed, saddly.

Homosexuality isn't a lifestyle. Being attracted to a particular gender isn't a lifestyle. Living in the city married to a spouse and choosing to read the Wall Street journal. That is a lifestyle. Being homosexual or heterosexual isn't a lifestyle.

And I hardly believe that someone intentionally chooses to be discriminated against in a society that is largely heterosexual by being attracted to someone of the same gender.

reply to post by Haydn_17


"Still nobody has explained why. All ive got is "animals do it, so its normal" Not enough, something is different with homosexuals, that need to reproduce to be given offspring, that core instinct is gone, but WHY? Why have these few people and animals lost that NATURAL instinct? You can keep denying to explain to me, calling me bigoted and an idiot, but really you cant tell me because you dont know."

Because the animals chose to be gay.

But seriously you got the answers, not to the extent that you wanted but that's what reading is for. I mean, you obviously haven't researched ANY of this. Do you expect us all to just gather tons of information and organize it for you so you don't have to move a finger?

Also, what do you mean "why"? Are you trying to change the subject to why people are naturally gay then?

I think your using the wrong word here. It clearly is natural, as it comes naturally in humans and animals. Your thread is bordering along the lines of is is right or not.

So to answer your question as to why people are naturally gay, yes, I have no idea. I have no idea why people are straight either. These are natural things that are God's creation, so you either believe in God and that homosexuals are also God's creation, or you are picking and choosing what you want to believe.

How about YOU explain to me why animals are gay? Forget people, you can use the petty argument that it's their choice. But animals are as close to natural as you can get. Therefore tell me why animals are gay then, unless you seriously believe they made a concious decision to be homosexual. This is your thread isn't it? Shouldn't YOU be the one telling me why?

Oh yea, and I'm straight, yet I don't feel this natural instinct to increase my offspring. I feel this natural instinct called my sex drive, which is geared toward women. For homosexuals, its the same sex drive geared toward the same sex. But your equating sex drive with the need to produce offspring. Yea you can simple it down to that level if you want, but that's obviously not the case. Unless you mean to tell me of cource, that I subconciously wanted children in the midst of all the sexual activity in my life.

P.S. - That last sentence was a rhetorical question, please don't try to tell me I wanted children as oppose to some pleasure.

Originally posted by BlueLightRain
Being gay is natural.

But not all things which are natural are good for you. Would you say homosexuals and heterosexuals are equally natural?

Sure, one objective is to reproduce, but perhaps nature has its own population control methods. We cure diseases, fight off hunger and we no longer pray to the gods of rain, prosperity and what have you for our food, therefore homosexuality may be a more evolutionary method for nature to keep its herds down.

To keep the species alive is "the" only purpose, everything else are methods to fullfill that purpose.

Nature has lots of ways to control population, it can invent medicine and condoms, has all kinds of complicated rules of engagement.

But if you argue homosexuality is to control the population's size I'm sure you will not object to laws stating homosexuals may not procreate, donate sperm or eggs, have children etc.

Animals can be homosexual.

I saw a monkey have sex with a frog on youtube once, it happens but it doesn't justify bestiality for me. This kind of reasoning leads to a society where people will ride horses in more than one way, I couldn't live in such a society. Imagine that, people eating and having sex with all kinds of animals, what's next we lower the age to have sex to whenever the menstrual cycle begins?

Bottom line is that we can't look at other species and say it's ok because they are doing it too.

I don't understand why people think that homosexuals do it for any other reason aside from that's how their genetic makeup is. I'm sure some people act a certain way for attention but that can be said about any segment of society.

It's because some people can't/don't want to understand why homosexuals are they way they are and incorrectly point to genetics under the premise everything science says must be right (and that's the end of that). Just using a misinterpretation to keep out another misinterpretation, at least genetics will lead to something (though humanity is only beginning to understand).

Why the belief in a homosexual gene is incorrect is because the human mind can't create or influence sperm or eggcells in order for it to become homosexual and it would be foolish to believe such a thing is even possible. Nature's DNA is made to be passed on in one way, it's hardcoded.

If this were possible however and let's say a homosexual male impregnates a homosexual female (which they wouldn't ofcourse) so they would both have sperm and eggcells with a homosexual genetic makeup and they could theoretically produce a child with a genetic makeup that would make them attracted to the same gender but what's the point in that?? Generations of men only doing it with other men and likewise for women only coming together once in a lifetime to have some grand ritual where they remember the old ways of having sex in order to have children, no I don't think so.

Here's the jist of it. Whether or not somebody believes homosexuality to be a choice or a natural born trait, the bottom line is that homosexuals exist. It is not a sin. It is not unnatural. And for the Christians and other religious folks, the fact that homosexuals exist clearly shows me that God intentionally created humans with these differences. Black, white, brown, Canadian, straight, gay. We all exist on this planet together.

Did anyone ever consider the possibility that God might have intentionally created these differences in humans to observe how well we could interact together? Which, as a race, we have failed at... utterly and miserably. So to the people who do not support these particular differences, they have no right to preach about God or his word. At least not in a peaceful context, which is the proper context religion should typically be preached in.

Or what is all this love thy neighbor crap about? Love thy neighbor as long as he's straight, clean-cut, white, Republican, Christian, married with 2.5 children, and pulls in a six-figure income annually.

reply to post by Dragonfly79


Exactly, animals having sex with another species of animal is all part of nature i pressume? So why isn't it accepted that people can have sex with their dogs? (Not that i accept that)

After all we are animals ourselves, so whats so unatural about having sex with a dog?

I met this one gay guy before, he was assigned to my group at work. This guy talked like a girl, I swear. He would always talk with this high voice and really fast. He was really touchy too, he couldn't keep his hands to himself, or still at all. I bet he had A.D.D. too, it seemed like it. The guy was the biggest chicken I have ever met. He would never want to get his hands dirty, or do any work, and was always affraid of getting hurt.

I tried telling him, "MAN UP YOU WHIMP!". "DO SOME WORK FOR ONCE!". "PUT SOME BASS IN YOUR VOICE YOU SOUND LIKE MICKEY MOUSE!"..."YOU ARE FREAKING ANNOYING! SHUT UP!".

He was like, "nooo, o.m.g., it's not meee, i don't want to....". It was like he was acting. He was role playing or something. It was like he chose to be that way. He tried to be more manly once as a joke, and he was speaking with a normal man voice, and was calm and normal, and it was convincing at first.... but he just snapped back into gay mode.

In the end...he wasn't a man at all. He was a pathetic excuse for a man. A little girl in a guys body. It was like he was RETARDED. Really... mentally retarded. He was a disgrace to man.

It made me think... you know how some people are born with male and female parts? Hermaphrodites... What if homosexuality in a male is where the brain is more female and the body is male? Maybe even the "attraction" part of the brain is the only female part and the rest is male.

Either way... I think of it as a defect. Defects are not a bad thing... but... they aren't the best thing.

Moral of the story... I would rather sit next to a homophobe than then homosexual guy I described above. I know not all homosexuals are like what I described, but... still.... I would rather sit next to a homophobe.

reply to post by Good Intentions


You dont feel the need to have sex for children, you dont realise it but your sex drive is there to force you into having sex with another women to produce children whether you like it or not, you can tell yourself you dont want children, but your primal instincts are forcing you to, it's why sex feels good, to ensure you do it as many times as possible, to keep the species going.

reply to post by arbitrarygeneraiist


Im not sure why God is being brought up. Who said im Religious?

Originally posted by Haydn_17
Being Gay is against Humanity and Nature, our core objective as a species is to reproduce, to keep our species alive, there is no such thing as an immortal organism. They all die, and to continue the survival of the species they must all reproduce before they die. To keep the species stable.

So, people that are born sterile, or become sterile due to one thing or another, are they also abominations of nature, and should be put down?

Also, what about bisexuals? Are they also freaks?

Whoever starred and flagged this thread really needs to take some time off to think about their beliefs straight away.

reply to post by Thain Esh Kelch


Stop making things up, it's stupid. At what point did i say Gay people should be as you put it "Put Down" I DIDNT

Neither did i call anyone a freak.

Being sterile is nobodies fault.

reply to post by Whine Flu


And why is that? Please explain why people arent allowed to agree with something controversial?

Are you a Facist?

reply to post by Haydn_17


This thread is about personal opinions and viewpoints.

Here is mine:

Being gay is not natural. It's a choice somebody makes. I am still not convinced that you can be born gay. Proof that to me. Is there a gay gene?
I believe it's a choice a person makes to become gay. As simple as that. And, according to my believes, it's not natural.

VVV

reply to post by Haydn_17


Haydn_17,

You are talking to hypocrites. You disliking them is bad, but them disliking you is ok.

It's 2010, if you don't like homosexuals you are not "cool".

It's like the 1960's, if you don't like smoking cigarrettes you are not "cool". It's bad for the world, but they don't know it yet.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
Being sterile is nobodies fault.

Being gay is nobodies fault either

Your lack of knowledge is apparent

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by Whine Flu

 

And why is that? Please explain why people arent allowed to agree with something controversial?

Are you a Facist?

Wait, you're trying to call me a fascist when you're calling homosexuality unnatural? I don't think you're in the right position to be able to make those sorts of claims.