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Hi Mr. Mask,

I know your post was intended for someone else but I just wish to comment on some things you said here.

Originally posted by Mr Mask
...but lets be honest together, out of ALL the contact/abduction/UFO stories peddled around the globe, most of them are fake and an insult to real research and study. You don't have to admit to it...but it is true.

No it's not, it is a sweeping generalisation that may not be based in fact. The statement will be based in your consideration of what is real or possible though... and those of others who support such a basis of consideration.

Originally posted by Mr Mask
...I wouldn't care nor worry about the lost fools who denied my argument. I would know the truth and welcome those who didn't to walk in to my web of information, so I may TEACH them the truth...

Now stand on the other side of the fence and say the same thing... then realise you have just said what many people who see or have experienced abduction say... "at least I know the truth"

Originally posted by Mr Mask
Now...when confronted with people OUT RIGHT LYING or exaggerating, ...

Without having the same experience as those making a claim, how can anyone possibly say outright that they are Lying?

I can understand many people will think they are lying, and many will want to prove they are Lying because they have to prove them wrong, and yet, how is it possible to KNOW for SURE that they are Lying?

Simple answer is .. You Don't Know.. you only think they are based on your own Experience and current Perceptions of reality.

Originally posted by Mr Mask
...you ALSO know anyone telling us that an OBE is proof of alien contact is probably lying or just mentally ill...so why the fence sitting?

Not proof as Demanded by skeptical researchers admittedly. But.. and this bares repeating... if you have not had OBE experiences for yourself, then how can you possibly claim anyone is Lying?

Simple answer.. You Can't.

And to lay claim to anyone's mental health based on your own need to be right is extremely poor judgement at any time. Fact is.. you simply do not Know for Sure, and thus cannot make any claim regarding their state of mental health.

Originally posted by Mr Mask

But yes, I try to FORCE liars and loons to accept "real research"...if you don't, I think you are as bad as those ruining the field.

And those same people are asking you to accept their story as a real experience they have had, that is outside of your realms of Experience.

I'm all for Research and the application of science as we currently know it in our endeavours. But I am fully aware of the Limitations of this Tool so far.

It is a young branch of human endeavour, prone to many mistakes and fallacies which it does put forward as Truth until better information comes along and the story then is changed accordingly.. as it should be.

And yet we have science Believing it is correct on every front. We have supporters of science, only, telling us repeatedly that we are wrong and yet in such cases as this we are talking about things that science is as yet far too young to contemplate, measure or discuss in real ways that find a balanced view.

And that my friend is what Experiencers have as a complaint about Scientific Study into this phenomena.. the "Science is Right and you are Lying or Insane if you do not Believe it" attitude so often seen here.

reply to post by Phage

Why ask me about Serada's claims? Wouldn't it be better to ask him?

Because you are the one that says it is all nonsense?
I'm sure he would disagree if I asked...

I have now watched the whole vid..

Is it all actual NASA footage?

Which part is nonsense?

BTW, I have wondered for a long time why we don"t use nuclear energy in space...

reply to post by CynicalM

I meant you should ask Nuth, that's why I provided a link with his contact information.

Yes, it is NASA "footage".

All of the conclusions reached and the "logic" used to reach them.

We do use nuclear energy in space.

reply to post by Phage


But if all the vid is real including the emails, then as pointed out by Serada, Dr Nuth changes his stance regarding the reasons..

Again Phage, what part of that video is nonsense and why???

Originally posted by CynicalM
reply to post by Phage

 

But if all the vid is real including the emails, then as pointed out by Serada, Dr Nuth changes his stance regarding the reasons.. Again Phage, what part of that video is nonsense and why???

CynicalM.....

From long experience with this subject matter, I know that you really do need to take the time to do your own homework.

Such learning is much more effective when it is proactive.

By doing that, you will see that Serada relentlessly pushes junk ufology.

Regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by CynicalM

All of the conclusions reached and the logic used to reach them. But this is off topic. If you wish to discuss specifics you can review/comment in one of these threads (or others, there is no shortage).
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reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

From long experience with this subject matter, I know that you really do need to take the time to do your own homework.

Mate, I just watched over 1.30 hrs of video and then asked questions..Is that not homework?
I came to no conclusions, just questions...

Thats how people learn...Maybe you need to "back off" from people that haven't got to your scale of study...
Try to help them instead of your usual attack...

reply to post by CynicalM


CynicalM…..

Mate, I just watched over 1.30 hrs of video and then asked questions..

That’s a great start!

Is that not homework?

Yes…..& good homework.

I came to no conclusions, just questions...

The thing is, you should not be disappointed if you can’t make any conclusions of your own as yet…..just keep trying. You will get there!

Thats how people learn...

Exactly!

Maybe you need to "back off" from people that haven't got to your scale of study...

I apologise if I expressed my level of knowledge in a manner that intimidated you or otherwise embarrassed you in any way……I did not mean to do that.

In fact, I tried to keep my commentary very “general” for that exact reason…..i.e. so as not to sound bloviated or conceited in my level of knowledge of the subject matter (which isn’t easy because I love that STS75 “tether” case).

Try to help them

Yes…..exactly!

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

reply to post by Tayesin


Tayesin...

Yknow, you make a bunch of good points, and yes most of them were correct.

Majority being the ones where you said there is no proof that "most people claiming abduction or OBE experiences" are lying and/or crazy...

You are very correct, I am using a blanket statement with no factual proof to back it up.

But lets see it clear together...

You have been here on ATS for a very very long time. In my time here I've seen dozens of people come forward with outrageous claims and can only imagine how many you have been witness to on this site.

I've personally seen at least 10 people claiming to be aliens themselves.

Now...to be "factual", I would have to agree that I have no proof to prove they are lying or crazy...really, I know, its nuts that I don't even have proof against that, but I don't have it.

But...I also don't think that MOST of them are telling the truth. Now, I'm not saying I have proof of that either...

Now look at where that leads us...

I have no proof the 10 folks claiming to be aliens are liars.

I have no proof that the dozen or so time travelers on this board are hoaxes either...

And yeah, you are right.

Now...how open are you to making the leap in faith on betting them all honest and legit? Or how about "most of them"?

Say you had to make a wager and it was an important one that would cost you your house, or car, or even your life?

Where would you put all your mortality and wealth?

Would you guess/bet even half of these people are telling the truth?

Or would you guess/bet that they are lying hucksters and/or mentally disturbed?

I agree I can't (or shouldn't) say that most of them are "factually" lying and/or making it up.

But lets be honest...they probably are.

But I do see what you are saying...and I get it...but we both know you are looking for tiny holes in what I am saying.

Facts being facts...the important thing is to bring forward proof of extraterrestrials and UFOs. Without that proof, nobody can know anything for sure. And UFO research is a well known harborer of MANY MANY proven liars/fakes/crazies...

So...bring me the facts.

reply to post by Mr Mask


Mr Mask.....

So...bring me the facts.

I guess the orby blinkies are out of the question.....?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not


In fact, I tried to keep my commentary very “general” for that exact reason…..i.e. so as not to sound bloviated or conceited in my level of knowledge of the subject matter (which isn’t easy because I love that STS75 “tether” case).

Its true...sometimes in the middle of the night he wakes me up just to talk about it.

I just roll over and tell him to go back to sleep.

The guy is weird...

MM

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Mr Mask.....

So...bring me the facts.

I guess the oby blinkies are out of the question.....?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

To be fair...all the orby blinkies are at lest "something".

Stories that don't impress me much, just don't...yknow, impress me much.

There is good stuff out there worthy of true consideration...but sorry, stories and OBE-dream-state-communications is not "evidence" of anything but an active imagination.

We are talking about the MOST IMPORTANT possibility mankind can ever ponder...are we alone...are they here...are they coming?

And to screw around with that concept for selfish or dishonest reasons is just flat out wrong.

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

The thing is, you should not be disappointed if you can’t make any conclusions of your own as yet…..just keep trying. You will get there!

Agreed, but are YOU going to add to the thread or just stay "off topic" with replies such as this?

ie: Have you anything to add to the thread???

If not, then I'd be more than happy if you helped me via u2u instaed of posting off topic with no addition to the threads topic..

reply to post by Mr Mask


Mask.....

Let's say it again!

We are talking about the MOST IMPORTANT possibility mankind can ever ponder

Dam right.....!

And to screw around with that concept for selfish or dishonest reasons is just flat out wrong.

Dam right.....!

I mean seriously.....you are dam right!

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

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Originally posted by Mr Mask
To be fair...all the orby blinkies are at lest "something".

Yes they are indeed... plasma 'critters'

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Mr Mask
To be fair...all the orby blinkies are at lest "something".

Yes they are indeed... plasma 'critters'

Zorgon.....

Do you have permission from Alison to call your plasma critters "orby blinkies"?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by zorgon


Didn't know plasma lifeforms had FAA regulation strobe lights?

Yes I'm generalising, but a good percentage of recent orby blinkies can be determined to be nothing more than planes.


Edit: Just realise I'm trying to have a serious conversation about bloody orby blinkies!

Damn you Kruse!!!

reply to post by Mr Mask

Hi Mr Mask,
Thank you for reading and replying to me.

I do understand how we can be jaded with so much of what appears on the surface like bullsplop and/or disturbed individuals with access to a PC. In my line of work I get despairing over the number of Limited Perceptions being hawked as ultimate truths by some reasonably well intentioned people and a lot of fakers.. those last being easy for me to spot.

And like you I understand that a large portion of well intentioned reports can easily be overshadowed by the fantasy ones, and that most of the former do believe what they are reporting. Which then brings us to understanding that what they report as an experience is a reality to them at the time. Whether that be brought on by '___' production, abuse of drugs and alcohol, mental infirmness, or real scenario, they are all people having experiences of a different reality to what we do in our mundane/sober reality.

For the life of me I cannot see why anyone would want to make up such stories and continue to lie about it.

From what I've seen those who come forward to report anything outside of our mundane reality are always treated poorly, derided, insulted and ridiculed publicly. So to me, creating and lying about such a story cannot be a suitable means to gain any limelight or kudos.. the things most think are being sought by people lying about abductions scenarios they report.

I don't have a problem with anyone claiming to be an alien..even if they appear human. For me, it is possible. I base that on my own experiences with apparent human beings who were not.. my personal proof for that at the time was their non-human energy field. Now I know that won't fit well with you, but it is what I could see at the time, and it was so very different to any other human energy field I have seen.

Say you had to make a wager and it was an important one that would cost you your house, or car, or even your life? Where would you put all your mortality and wealth? Would you guess/bet even half of these people are telling the truth? Or would you guess/bet that they are lying hucksters and/or mentally disturbed?

Neither my mortality or wealth are important to me. I own nothing of importance and so would not enter the scenario to begin with. Should such a scenario be forced upon me by some powerful agency I would lean to the side of caution, neither offering a blanket statement of opposition nor one of total acceptance... so they would have to take my mortality and lack of wealth.. it wouldn't matter to be free'd from this tiring world.

I agree I can't (or shouldn't) say that most of them are "factually" lying and/or making it up. But lets be honest...they probably are. But I do see what you are saying...and I get it...but we both know you are looking for tiny holes in what I am saying.

They might not be too. Since there is no pay-off for saying you were abducted, saw a UFO, or played cards with Zonk from Labina 5... made them up... we are forced then to to accept that it is possible, even if we don't want to agree with it.

Friend, these are not tiny holes.

Sweeping generalisations covering an entire field of human experience is not Tiny Holes. It can be construed to be a form of Bullying in that such blanket statements have negative effects on those very genuine people who have had experiences we cannot comprehend too well. It is part of the process that causes such people to move steadily to the fringes of our culture due to lack of understanding, support and acceptance that my reality does not have to be the same for Everyone Else.

Facts being facts...the important thing is to bring forward proof of extraterrestrials and UFOs. Without that proof, nobody can know anything for sure. And UFO research is a well known harborer of MANY MANY proven liars/fakes/crazies...

Mostly, well said. It is a sad situation that there are "players" in the field of research just as there are in every human endeavour. There are agendas at play, some supportive, some destructive, and some just plainly misleading in a field with so much information out there in the public domain.

There is a fundamental difference between players within the field who are there to mislead, negate or redirect approaches while making $$$ from it.. and those who claim abduction, close encounters and the like and who are mostly seeking understanding for something that is so out of the norm to our modern ways of thinking.

So while it is good to show the fakers for what they are doing.. those making $$$ from their misleading approaches, etc, it is equally as good to offer some acceptance to the "small" people, the grass roots experiencer who wants help to stay balanced in our non-caring, socially inept, and sleeping Society.


From a different post...

We are talking about the MOST IMPORTANT possibility mankind can ever ponder...are we alone...are they here...are they coming?

I very much agree with you that it is one of the most important things. Of equal importance in my eyes is the acceptance of our genesis as a history recorded in Sumeria, that underpins our entire modern western culture and that is mostly unknown and kept that way purposely.

Again, I thank you for your time with me.

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
Do you have permission from Alison to call your plasma critters "orby blinkies"?

Hmmm perhaps I should redact that comment

Now then, can you redirect me to the adult section of ATS