NASA discovers brand new force of nature

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Doesn't Mars have a small moon relative to it's weak magnetic field? Do you have a link to a planet with a large moon that has a relatively weak magnetic field? Basically, a planet and moon of similar proportions to that of Earth and our moon.

That would totally convince me that mass dictates gravity alone. If I saw a similiar Earth like planet with a similar moon but weak magnetic field then I am convinced you guys are right.

Very interesting observations. Being "pulled" towards the sun can inversely mean being "repelled" away from some external solar system source. Can it be a equally charged dust (Oort) cloud in relation to the charge of the spacecraft? Could it be drag from dark matter that surrounds our solar system. Or, can it be some sort of anti-matter cloud. I was thinking that what they are looking at is actually dark energy as it slowly (relative to the space traveled) expands the spacecraft/earth distance, causing what to observers looks like a drag or pull back. To bad they can not image the spacecraft and look for a redshift.

Originally posted by Jerry_Teps

Again, gravity is not contingent on electrodynamics.

as i mentioned, i believe that in the laws of attraction, both partys have a part to play....they can only interact through some sort of electrodynamics. on an atomic level.
gravity suggests complete dominance of one party over the next...then it claims mass plays a role...where is the relevance of the mass of the object being attracted??? does it not play a part in the attraction?

the only answer is electrodynamics on an atomic level...maybe some sort of counsciousness?? architecture??

Hi all, just a thought , as we know space acts like a fabric over vast distances, as light is bent around massive objects in space that has pulled space out of shape due to gravity, so could it be that over 40 years that this tiny spacecraft has been traveling through this fabric/space it is finaly showing us the affects of long space travel,

It's heading into the sun?

Sounds like Murphy's Law to me.

Apparently Ninemsn put this article up as a new discovery but in fact its 8 years old...

I have found one site with an explanation,

This paper shows that the anomalous acceleration of the spacecraft Pioneer 10 and 11 in the direction of the Sun is due to the presence of dust in the Kuiper belt, which has been ignored in the calculation. These data provide the first direct measurement of dust density in the Kuiper belt, which is 1.38 x 10-19 gr/cc.

www.newtonphysics.on.ca...

What about the heliopause or termination shock? Maybe even stellar winds?

Don't blast me for this but has anyone thought that the pull in force could be coming from nibiru? actually orbiting or in orbit round the other side of the sun?

My understanding is that around the Solar system, there is a bubble of sorts, the heliosphere... Is it in any way possible that the heliosphere is somewhat like the magnetospheric bubble around our planet? If it does share any deeper commonality with our magnetosphere, perhaps it retains enough charge to repel the craft back toward the solar centre?
I mean, even if this force is nothing to do with the heliosphere, is it possible that the force eminated from the outside of the solar system rather than the inside?

It's those dam pesky aliens at it again. Every time!

Yeah im gona wait like 5-7 years and see where it is and make a more informed decision depending on where it is compared to now. Makes more sense, otherwise it's just unneeded speculation that doesn't go anywhere.

could the probe have passed through the tail of a comet causing friction with gas molecules and ice particles slowing it down somehow !

rather then it being a case of being 'pulled', it might be a case of being 'pushed'

Maybe a star went nova and created a blast causing a 'push' effect in a given radius.

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without first reading the sizeable number of responses... so as to keep my guess work pristine for this initial reply..

I would venture to say that the decrease in speed (of two Galactic probes) is attributible to the accellerated expansion of the Cosmos, something that scientists were surpised about...
they generally thought the expansion was constant and never imagined the expansion was gaining speed.

So, the interim hypothesis is that 'dark matter' is the heretofor unknown cause of faster expansion since the big-bang set all things in motion.




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the dark matter possibility came up, but not in the way i was thinking about it.

i think the theory is that DM is in an envelope that blankets all Galaxies, some with more some with less DM
and all these DM blanked Galaxies retreat from one another faster than reletivity allows... the probes are still light years away from exiting the Galactic 'membrane' (as it were)...so DM is not directly affecting the Galactic probes.

i think i read they are traveling near 40k + meters per second
that speed should remain near constant
its my guess the expansion of the Galaxy itself is the measurement being picked up, its as if the probes
are in a ocean of space but the tidal forces of that ocean of space is distinct from the on-board space-time reality
of the crafts themselves...(our minds think in terms of these craft being like flotsam and subject to the surrounding conditions in which they are in= if the tide was faster or slower the craft would be in sync with the space it was occiupying)

i submit that all four are far enough away that the observable galaxy & universe is in a different position than the mathematical vectoring would tell us. thus the apparent slowing down or drag on the 4 crafts...i'm guessing the scientis are using a form of tri-angulation of the radio waves being transmitted to pinpoint the cradts actual positions ??

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Hmm.
This is interesting.
My two cents?

One being...maybe space has some friction to it afterall.
Or...
Two being...maybe its an actual visible effect of time warping.
I believe I saw something on The History Channel stating that the farther out in the atomsphere you go and stay, you'll age fractions of a second less.

No clue for sure, but still two interesting ideas.

In my oppinion Space may actually have respiration. Following the hermetic axiom as well as Hindu thought, perhaps we have been observing through the outbreath, and just recently began an inbreath?....food for thought, perhaps all forces do not exhibit simaltaneously, perhaps there is a sequential firing of forces on to grand a scale to percieve.

Originally posted by St Udio
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without first reading the sizeable number of responses... so as to keep my guess work pristine for this initial reply..

I would venture to say that the decrease in speed (of two Galactic probes) is attributible to the accellerated expansion of the Cosmos, something that scientists were surpised about...
they generally thought the expansion was constant and never imagined the expansion was gaining speed.

So, the interim hypothesis is that 'dark matter' is the heretofor unknown cause of faster expansion since the big-bang set all things in motion.




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so you think that the sattelites have reached a place in space where darkmatter is twisting and stretching spacetime where the satellites seem to be accelerating.

i dont think they have reached that far...but we are creeping into the quantum dimension arguement here....the big bang effected galaxys as a whole.. our galaxy has reached a constant. i dont think these satelites have traveled further than the effects of the big bang

MAYBE THEY HAVE REACHED THE EDGE OF OUR GALAXY...AND ARE ENTANGLED WITH FORCES FROM OUTSIDE. PROBABLY THE CONSTANT OF SPACE DIFFERS THE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SUN YOU GO

Originally posted by Shadowfoot
In my oppinion Space may actually have respiration. Following the hermetic axiom as well as Hindu thought, perhaps we have been observing through the outbreath, and just recently began an inbreath?....food for thought, perhaps all forces do not exhibit simaltaneously, perhaps there is a sequential firing of forces on to grand a scale to percieve.

YES solar minimums and solar maximums.

the sun is like a heartbeat...slowly getting bigger & smaller over years ... like it is breathing.

we are currently in one of the biggest solar maxiumums ever recoreded...

There are four fundamental forces that are used to explain the whole mechanism of the Universe: Electromagnetism, Gravity, Nuclear Weak and Nuclear Strong.

These four are everywhere (and do not interact with each). Must be seen like the four pillars of everything, sustaining everything in the Universe. It is believed that these four forces were at once united in one single force, but this has not been proved yet (though suspected).

IMHO, if NASA had discovered (better say isolated or described) a fifth fundamental force it'd would be (almost) the greatest discovery EVER...... Even bigger than contact.

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There's an escape velocity for All Planets, maybe there's an escape velocity for a Solar System.

My 3 cents.. Due to the craft traveling in space over large portions of time within Sun partical give off waste range, objects leaving the direction of Sun are electrically charged upon exit BY CLOSER PARTICALS FROM SUN PARTICAL GIVE OFF RANGE and as these crafts travel so far out in space they begin to gather a more opposite charge of when they left the Earth FROM FURTHER DISTANCE DIFFERENT CHARGED PARTICALS FROM SUN PARTICAL GIVE OFF RANGE. So when they left Earth they were charged equal to the Sun CAUSING THE SAME CHARGE REPEL action TO OCCURE, FROM SUN PARTICALS (CLOSE OR RECENT CREATED CHARGED PARTICALS) over time out there they began to accumulate more opposite charge from (FAR OR ELDER CREATED CHARGED PARTICALS) as when craft left, causing the craft to be opposite charge of SUN STAR forcing the object from being opposite charged to ATTRACT back to nearest star due to elder opposite created charge partical accumulation on craft. I would add the charging particals are from the SUN Star output radiation within solarsystem from normal star radiation emmitance. Otherwise something is sending them back..... 1 more cent