NASA discovers brand new force of nature

Originally posted by CynicalM
reply to post by Darkeligos

 

Mars does have a magnetic field BTW..

The spacecraft's magnetometer, which began making measurements of Mars' magnetic field after its capture into orbit on Sept. 11, detected the magnetic field on Sept. 15. The existence of a planetary magnetic field has important implications for the geological history of Mars and for the possible development and continued existence of life on Mars.

"Preliminary evidence of a stronger than expected magnetic field of planetary origin was collected and is now under detailed study," said Dr. Mario H

www.spacedaily.com...

Mars DID have a magnetic field, however today there is no "hard" convincing evidence of such intrinsic magnetic field.

Like Venus, Mars is a planet with no intrinsic magnetic field.

www.esa.int...

Also magnetism and gravity are still two different forces no matter what you say. I'll make it easy.

Gravity and magnetism are NOT the same thing. The Earth's magnetic field does not attract objects and pull them to its center. The Earth's magnetic field is like a giant magnet. It does have a North and South pole, just like a common laboratory magnet. The Earth's magnetic field is very weak, and generally only affects ferrous and magnetic materials. Gravity on the other hand affects all materials having mass. It affects all materials having mass in the same amount. Materials having more mass exhibit properties that cause them to 'weigh' more on a scale, and they feel heavier than materials having less mass. Magnetism has no effect on a material's mass. It only affects materials that have magnetic properties. The North and South Poles of the Earth do not create a gravitational pull. The enormous mass of the Earth is what creates a gravitational pull. If the Earth had no magnetic materials, it would have no magnetic poles, but it would still have gravity. Objects would still be attracted to its surface.

reply to post by Darkeligos

Also magnetism and gravity are still two different forces no matter what you say. I'll make it easy.

Settle down, I didn't say anything other than it has a magnetic field as my link states...

reply to post by Darkeligos


cool mate...but... im saying that you need a magnetic field FOR gravity to occur.

according to your (our normal) theory, we sholud have hit the suns surface yrs ago..!! or the moon should crashed into us by now....

I know what we learned in school.. now innovate and help solve this still incomplete subject.
My belief is

Mass is not relative to gravitational pull.`
It is a factor yes..but not relative (newtons spinning in his grave)

neither is mass relative to energy
your thoughts are E=MC2 right..energy = mass x speed?? ,, you can see his mistakes when you try to balance/rearrange this formula...
speed = energy/mass......mass= speed/energy...>>>makes absolutely no sence

Does einstein once attribute consciousness to this theory..i mean if e=mc2 and this is relative then...goliath should of beat david!!! (Example sirus A apparently smallest of things ...with the highest “gravitational pull” if you believe)

what binds mass and controls the speed of mass and where is this energy produced?.."in a magnetic field", he only attributes this model IN A VACUUM.

Just alternative science...there is alot we still don’t understand

Was this "brand new force" discovered 8½ years ago? If so, why is it in the news today? Did some journalist find the article from 2002 and forgot to check the date before presenting it again as "news"? I'm puzzled by the article in the OP refering to an 8½-year-old article as the source, unless there's another article somewhere from the Telegraph with new info.

reply to post by Hellmutt


No Hellmutt, my source was dated today..

news.ninemsn.com.au...

Originally posted by theAymen
cool mate...but... im saying that you need a magnetic field FOR gravity to occur.

No you don't, gravity and electromagnetism are two completely different forces.

Originally posted by Darkeligos
Mars DID have a magnetic field, however today there is no "hard" convincing evidence of such intrinsic magnetic field.

Mars still has a weak magnetic field, albeit, weak. You can also detect changes in a planets magnetic field by analysing the position (direction) of magnetic poles in rocks. I'm pretty sure I heard that NASA did this and discovered that Mars had a magnetic field at one point.

reply to post by CynicalM


Yes, but the Telegraph article you linked to further down on the page, is from February 2002


www.telegraph.co.uk...

Originally posted by Darkeligos
Originally posted by CynicalM
reply to post by Darkeligos

 

Also magnetism and gravity are still two different forces no matter what you say. I'll make it easy.Gravity and magnetism are NOT the same thing. The Earth's magnetic field does not attract objects and pull them to its center. The Earth's magnetic field is like a giant magnet. It does have a North and South pole, just like a common laboratory magnet. The Earth's magnetic field is very weak, and generally only affects ferrous and magnetic materials. Gravity on the other hand affects all materials having mass. It affects all materials having mass in the same amount. Materials having more mass exhibit properties that cause them to 'weigh' more on a scale, and they feel heavier than materials having less mass. Magnetism has no effect on a material's mass. It only affects materials that have magnetic properties. The North and South Poles of the Earth do not create a gravitational pull. The enormous mass of the Earth is what creates a gravitational pull. If the Earth had no magnetic materials, it would have no magnetic poles, but it would still have gravity. Objects would still be attracted to its surface.

i know this...but explain why the planets are attracted/circling the sun in the structure that they are in...its obviuos that they are inbetween the suns north and south poles...no planets are circling around its N>S. poles.
this proves to me that gravity does not control but magnetic attraction controls...

i agree that magentism doesnt have an effect on a materials mass..neither does gravity.

the experiment where the astronaught drops a hammer and feather on the moon and they drop at the same rate....PROVES THAT MASS IS NOT RELATIVE.

as i have said the chinese have worked this out...check there new fleet of fighter jets...it has the rest of the world foaming at the mouth...google Chinese antigravity/magnetism

Originally posted by theAymen
the chinese have worked it out...check out theyr new antigravity technology- google " chinese antigravity"
or here are links and some vids i found TO SHOW YOU HOW MAGNETS AND GRAVITY ARE UNIVERSAL..IF NOT THE SAME FORCE

No, the upwards force generated by the magnetic field is counteracting the downwards force generated by the earths gravity. They are not the same thing.

reply to post by Jerry_teps


if they say it has a "north pole" then it has a magnetic field

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4fbeaef98399.jpg[/atsimg]

surely this is a south pole we see here...

reply to post by Hellmutt


Ninemsn has always been accepted as credible..
I said I couldn't find any more on the subject except that link...

What do you want from me ???

Originally posted by theAymen
i know this...but explain why the planets are attracted/circling the sun in the structure that they are in...its obviuos that they are inbetween the suns north and south poles...no planets are circling around its N>S. poles.
this proves to me that gravity does not control but magnetic attraction controls...

Because that's the inclination they formed in after our solar system accreted.

Originally posted by theAymen
i agree that magentism doesnt have an effect on a materials mass..neither does gravity.

An objects mass determines the effect of gravity felt on the body.

Originally posted by Jerry_Teps


No, the upwards force generated by the magnetic field is counteracting the downwards force generated by the earths gravity. They are not the same thing.

i think gravity is relative to the magnetic field it occurs in.

the moon has a low gravitational force because its magnetic field is weak...increase the field..then the gravitational force increases...

Originally posted by CynicalM

What do you want from me ???

Nothing. I just wanted to point out that the journalist in the OP-article either made a mistake by presenting old news, or there must be another source somewhere that we still haven't found. The wording and info in the 2002-article is the same, so I suspect it's a mistake. Anyway... carry on.

Originally posted by theAymen
i think gravity is relative to the magnetic field it occurs in.

the moon has a low gravitational force because its magnetic field is weak...increase the field..then the gravitational force increases...

edit on 20-9-2010 by theAymen because: my nutz ached

You thought wrong, gravity is not contingent on an electromagnetic field, this has been observed in high energy fields and objects where there are none. If it were, then relativity could be used to calculate various electromagnetic effects, however it can't. It would also be much simpler to integrate it with quantum mechanics.

en.wikipedia.org...

Educate yourself.

Originally posted by theAymen
reply to post by Hellmutt

 

if they say it has a "north pole" then it has a magnetic field

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4fbeaef98399.jpg[/atsimg]

surely this is a south pole we see here...

I thought North and South were relative terms to Earth. Isn't Venus upside down relative to us? So that means their North is actually South and vice versa. I assume it's because it spins in the opposite direction as the rest of the planets correct? Point being this, does a magnetic field truly determine North and South? Isn't it just fair to say it has a magnetic field.

reply to post by Jerry_Teps


yes the word ElectroMagnetic winds me up...the laws of attraction are more then a simple world like gravity.

i dont think i am being pulled or pushed by gravity...but am attracted to it.. as i believe that our bodys have a part to play.

large objects do bend space and time..and yes they have a gravitational pull.

both are concepts of the larger laws of attraction. all are secoundary to the suns field

reply to post by Come Clean


north and south are relative to earth but poles are not. ie ..why dont we have east/west poles???

poles are terms for magnetism - polarity

Originally posted by theAymen


i think gravity is relative to the magnetic field it occurs in.

the moon has a low gravitational force because its magnetic field is weak...increase the field..then the gravitational force increases...

edit on 20-9-2010 by theAymen because: my nutz ached

Sounds pretty logical to me. A big magnet has a bigger gravitational pull or push than a small magnet.

"A magnetic field is a field of force produced by a magnetic object or particle, or by a changing electrical field[1] and is detected by the force it exerts on other magnetic materials and moving electric charges. The magnetic field at any given point is specified by both a direction and a magnitude (or strength); as such it is a vector field."
--wiki

reply to post by theAymen


Isn't polarity an Earth term? Basically, why are you so sure it works like that on Venus? Venus is upside down correct? Yet, how do you know the poles have been reversed? What about planets that don't have magnetic fields at all? Does that mean they have no poles?