Revelation; The seven churches (have been promised)

Originally posted by Gaussq
You actually believe Jesus is content with Christianity´s development and the clergy??

I did not say that, but that is not a good reason for turning away from Christ and following an antichrist, which is what I would be doing if I followed your Falun Gong teacher, who is an antichrist figure.
Finding fault with individual followers of Christ is not a good reason for abandoning Christ.

Jesus told truth about his teachings and he chose Swedenborg as his prophet.

That is a lie. We know that it is a lie because the message he is supposed to have given Swedenborg directly contradicts his own teaching in Matthew ch24.

Jesus said, in Matthew, that we should pay attention to NOBODY wandering around the earth claiming to be Jesus himself, or claiming that Christ could be found on the earth in some place to which people could go. "If anyone says to you, 'Here is the Christ' or 'There he is!', do not believe it." Such a figure would be what John later calls an antichrist.

Then you come along, point us in the direction of China, and say "There he is, over there- Swedenborg propesied that he would be born on earth".
That matches exactly what the New Testament says about antichrists. Any reader of the New Testament can make the connection for himself and draw the conclusion. Your Falun Gong man is an antichrist figure- he fits the description exactly. It is too early to say yet whether he is THE Antichrist, but he must be a fairly strong candidate.

An antichrist is a typical parasite figure, in the biological sense. He has no life in his own right, so he must try to draw some kind of life out of the source of life, the true Christ.
In the same way as your own behaviour is parasitical; your own threads are dead and lifeless things in which nobody is interested, so you must try to draw some kind of parasite life out of this one.
You have no ability to teach people about the true Christ, but you are teaching me much about antichrists.

Originally posted by DISRAELI

Originally posted by Gaussq
You actually believe Jesus is content with Christianity´s development and the clergy??

I did not say that, but that is not a good reason for turning away from Christ and following an antichrist, which is what I would be doing if I followed your Falun Gong teacher, who is an antichrist figure.
Finding fault with individual followers of Christ is not a good reason for abandoning Christ.

Jesus told truth about his teachings and he chose Swedenborg as his prophet.

That is a lie. We know that it is a lie because the message he is supposed to have given Swedenborg directly contradicts his own teaching in Matthew ch24.

Jesus said, in Matthew, that we should pay attention to NOBODY wandering around the earth claiming to be Jesus himself, or claiming that Christ could be found on the earth in some place to which people could go. "If anyone says to you, 'Here is the Christ' or 'There he is!', do not believe it." Such a figure would be what John later calls an antichrist.

Then you come along, point us in the direction of China, and say "There he is, over there".

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You say nobody can be Jesus down here and I agree. That is not what I am talking about.

Swedenborg was the last true prophet of Jesus and you do not want to investigate that claim seriously.

A prophet is not Jesus incarnated. He only speaks Jesus words to the world.

Why did Jesus have to do that?

Because his church is in ruins, the bible is completely misinterpreted and the Christian people is facing a terrible future when the maze falls.

Do you think Jesus is paralysed in his heaven? Do you really think he would do nothing during 2000 years of moral collapse for his church and his people? Do you not think he wants to help you enlighten?

If you believe he is a good God you should start thinking things over seriously with a clear mind. Jesus used Swedenborg to help people understand what is happening.

All your notions and personal interpretations from the bible, just drop them and listen to Swedenborg, Jesus understands better than you, I promise.


The eastern kings in the bible means that when the maze falls the Lord will rise from the east where the sun rises(China). The river Euphrates signifies great wisdom as wisdom flows like a river.

Compare that with Eddan(the viking myth): "The river Slidr will flow from the east with swords and knives." We see the exact same words like in the bible, wisdom flowing in a river from the east with sharp weapons to clean up the evil.

Note: S+Li+Dr(in ancient tongue that means "The God Li - Him" )

Coincidence that Master Li Hongzhi has the name Li...

Korean end times prophecy:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Jesus is of course not Master Li Hongzhi.

We all know that Yahweh is more powerful than Jesus as is said in the bible.

How do you think Jesus can save the world? He can absolutely not do it.

I tell you, Jesus told you to read Swedenborg´s scriptures about his true teachings. In those scriptures he is very clear about one thing, the almighty, the Lord of Lords will come down here, incarnate and save mankind from complete destruction. In addition the people practicing his doctrines today took vows in heaven to assist him down here so it is all about predestination.

It is said everyone who can remember the following words in their hearts will have good luck in the future:

Truth-Compassion-Forbearance is good, Falun Dafa is good.

Please remember what I said above.

I have to leave, I wish you all good luck in life!

Originally posted by Gaussq
Note: S+Li+Dr(in ancient tongue that means "The God Li - Him" )
Coincidence that Master Li Hongzhi has the name Li...

I'm glad you told me that.
I can now match it against;
"he shall not give heed to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all"- Daniel ch11 v37
"he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God" 2 Thessalonians ch2 v4
These, too, are descriptions of the antichrist figure.
The evidence is building up.

Originally posted by Gaussq
“True Christian religion”
“He will do this by means of a man, who is able not only to receive these doctrines in his understanding but also to publish them by the press.”

Above we can see the Lord is going to incarnate down here as a man and spread his teachings across the world. He will surpass all of the former religions in terms of the scope of the spread of his teachings. He will attract large volumes of people very fast and his doctrines will be superior to any former doctrines. The believers in him will form the new angelic heaven and a new church(the seventh church) on earth.

I'm quoting this so that I can find it again easily when needed.
This is the passage in which you quote Swedenborg and apply his words to Li in a way which directly contradicts the teaching of Jesus Christ in Matthew ch24.
In other words, this is where you unwittingly identify Li as an antichrist figure.

the final incarnation or presence & stature of the 7 churches...(at the end of the age) are all as different as the individual churches' Need and/or Desire to help fufill the Armageddon roadmap spoken of by the Prophets
Daniel, John of Patmos and Jesus Re; Matthew 24.

the '7' churches/ congregations encompases all the branches & sects of the Judeo-Christian mystery church
...also keep in mind that 'Catholic' means Universal...so there is a case to be made that Johns' visions relates
precisely on the 'Catholic' and 'Orthodox' church that comprise the Eastern & Western divisions of the Empire (Roma & Constantinople = the seat of the beast)

Originally posted by DISRAELI

Originally posted by Gaussq
“True Christian religion”
“He will do this by means of a man, who is able not only to receive these doctrines in his understanding but also to publish them by the press.”

Above we can see the Lord is going to incarnate down here as a man and spread his teachings across the world. He will surpass all of the former religions in terms of the scope of the spread of his teachings. He will attract large volumes of people very fast and his doctrines will be superior to any former doctrines. The believers in him will form the new angelic heaven and a new church(the seventh church) on earth.

I'm quoting this so that I can find it again easily when needed.
This is the passage in which you quote Swedenborg and apply his words to Li in a way which directly contradicts the teaching of Jesus Christ in Matthew ch24.
In other words, this is where you unwittingly identify Li as an antichrist figure.

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Matthew does not relate to the Lord of Lords but to Jesus copycats. You can not make an apple into a pear my friend.

First you must read up on what is meant by Matthew, Swedenborg has it all in his scriptures...

Originally posted by DISRAELI

"he shall not give heed to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all"- Daniel ch11 v37
"he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God" 2 Thessalonians ch2 v4
These, too, are descriptions of the antichrist figure.
The evidence is building up.

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Evidence of what?? Roman catholic church with their pope looking like a fake God with gold all around him?...

There is no relevance for Falun Dafa here. FD is about being righteous, the best person you can imagine. Master Li has only presented the Fa(Law) of the universe and it is up to each one if he has it in himself to change himself into that kind of person. Very hard indeed.

Again, you must read up before making conclusions. Anyone can interpret the bible in 1000 ways as it suits themselves. Read Jesus words instead, those are what count.

Originally posted by Gaussq
Matthew does not relate to the Lord of Lords but to Jesus copycats. You can not make an apple into a pear my friend.

You were the one who were elevating your "Lord of Lords" to a Messianic position.
In that position, as someone born on earth, he fits the description given by Matthew.
Not being a Christian, you are not qualified to interpret Christian scripture

Originally posted by Gaussq
There is no relevance for Falun Dafa here. FD is about being righteous,

In that case why does he tolerate wholesale theft?
Because the disciples of Falan Dafa are outright thieves,

Yes, my friend, I have caught you red-handed trying to steal the scriptures of another religion and use them for your purposes.
The fundamental dishonesty of this procedure is a symptom of the fundamental dishonesty of Falun Dafa.
If Falun Dafa produces dishonest people, it must be no good, yes?

Originally posted by DISRAELI

Originally posted by Gaussq
There is no relevance for Falun Dafa here. FD is about being righteous,

In that case why does he tolerate wholesale theft?
Because the disciples of Falan Dafa are outright thieves,

Yes, my friend, I have caught you red-handed trying to steal the scriptures of another religion and use them for your purposes.
The fundamental dishonesty of this procedure is a symptom of the fundamental dishonesty of Falun Dafa.
If Falun Dafa produces dishonest people, it must be no good, yes?

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Some of your comments are insulting and I will not comment on those. I wish you are a good person and have a kind heart and I respect you no matter what you say to me.

Revelation is a prophecy for the world to read(as is said in Revelation, each soul reading that scripture is lucky), not only for people who "brand" themselves Christians and superior to others.

Worldly brands and lipworks count for nothing in heaven, only actions count as far as I know. Imagine I had called myself a Christian today but it would not make me a better, more wise person, would it?

Can Gods not understand these things? Is that what you say? In that case your faith in Gods is corrupt.

In essence you say Jesus is a paralysed God and has done nothing to help us humans during 2000 years when we destroyed his teachings.

Is that good faith in Jesus?

Jesus is slanderred every day across the whole world and you believe he could do nothing for 2000 years, not even telling people once how they all got it wrong?

Which kind of faith is that? Is it not typical lipworks faith(you say you believe in Jesus but has no belief at all in his powers) without any common sense or wisdom?

Is your faith not poor in Jesus? Is it not such erroneous lipworks faith that Jesus said must be destroyed at Judgment Day?


Let´s look at this from the other standpoint.

If Jesus is a good and mighty God would he not like to tell the world truth about the corrupted Christian Church and its coming downfall at Judgment Day?

Of course he wanted to and he did.

Below follows a short verse about the end of the modern clergy and the Christian Church as we know it.

Also how some modern Christian theologists claim they and only they can interpret the Bible. As if they are of a higher intellectual capacity or wisdom than the rest of the world, as if they just put a label on themselves saying"I call myself a Christian expert and therefore only I can understand the scriptures".

Is that true faith? Is that tolerance and kindness to other people? Is that a humble attitude? Is that signs of a good person with wisdom?

In my opinion, lipworks count for nothing in heaven, only your actions count.

You believe Revelation can be "stolen" but in fact Revelation exists for those who can enlighten to truth in time. If they call themselves "Christians" or not is completely irrelevant, as we will see below.


Let us see what Jesus says to Swedenborg about Matthew and the end of your modern Christian Church and their theologists:

"True Christian Religion - excerpt"

(8) So, too, unless a new heaven and a new church were established by the Lord there could no flesh be saved. It is said in Matthew: Then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days be shortened no flesh would be saved (24:21, 22). This chapter treats of "the consummation of the age," by which the end of the present church is meant; therefore "to shorten those days" means to bring that church to an end and establish a new one.

Who does not know that unless the Lord had come into the world and wrought redemption no flesh could have been saved? To work redemption means to found a new heaven and a new church. That the Lord would again come into the world He foretold in the Gospels, Matt. 24:30, 31; Mark 13:26; Luke 12:40; 21:27; and in the Apocalypse, particularly in the last chapter.

That He is also effecting a redemption at this day by founding a new heaven and establishing a new church to the end that man may be saved, has been shown above in the chapter on Redemption. [2] The great mystery that unless a new church is established by the Lord no flesh can he saved, is this: That so long as the dragon with his horde remains in the world of spirits into which he has been cast, no Divine truth united to Divine good can pass through that world to men on earth without being perverted and falsified, or without its perishing.

This is what is meant in the Apocalypse by the words: The dragon was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Woe to those that inhabit the earth and the sea, for the devil has come down unto them having great anger (12:9, 12, 13).

But when the dragon had been cast into hell (10:10), John saw a new heaven and a new earth, and he saw the New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven (21:1, 2); "the dragon" meaning those who are in the faith of the present church. [3]

In the spiritual world I have several times talked with those who believe that men are justified by faith alone; and I have told them that their doctrine is both erroneous and absurd, and induces upon men security, blindness, sleep, and in spiritual things a night, and consequently death to the soul; and I have exhorted them to discard it; but I received the answer, "Why discard it?

Does not the superiority of the learning of the clergy over that of the laity hang upon that sole doctrine?" I replied, "In that case they do not regard the salvation of souls as any object, but the superiority of their own reputation; and as they have adapted the truths of the Word to their false principles, and have thus adulterated them, they are those angels of the abyss, called Abaddons and Apollyons (Apoc. 9:11), who signify those that destroy the church by a total falsification of the Word."

But they made answer, "What do you mean? By our knowledge of the mysteries of that faith we are oracles, and from it as from a sanctuary we give responses; therefore we are not Apollyons but Apollos." Indignant at this reply I said, "If you are Apollos you are also leviathans - your leaders the crooked leviathans, and the rest of you the stretched-out leviathans, whom God will visit with His sore and great sword" (Isa. 27:1). But at this they laughed.

Originally posted by Gaussq
Revelation is a prophecy for the world to read(as is said in Revelation, each soul reading that scripture is lucky), not only for people who "brand" themselves Christians and superior to others.

Revelation is a book which is part of the Christian New Testament.
It is centred, absolutely, upon the person and work of Jesus Christ, who is the focus of the Christian faith.
The very first chapter, the opening chapter, sets the scene which focusses the whole book on the person of Jesus Christ, and the power which becomes available to him as a consequence of his death and resurrection.
That is described in the following discussion;
Fear Not

Similarly the fifth chapter makes it clear that the whole of the events of Revelation hinge on the person of Jesus Christ, and what is made possible by his death and resurrection.
In other words, the cornerstone of Revelation is the Christian teaching of the Atonement, the effects of his atoning death and resurrection.
This is Christian teaching Revelation is a Christian book.
It has no relevance to other religions, and other religions are not mentioned in it except as things to be avoided.

You cannot claim it as a book for other religions except by excluding the Christ-centred teaching.
If you exclude the Christ-centred teaching, then you are one of the people described in that passage at the end of the book;
"If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life,and in the holy city, which are descibed in this book".
That is you. You are trying to take the teaching of Christ out of this book.
That is the reason why God is threatening to exclude you from the holy city.

If you want to destroy the Christian teaching of a Christian book in your own mind, that is your own business.
But here you are trying to destroy the Christian meaning of a Christian book in the minds of other people, including Christian people..
That is a serious offence against God.
You are trying to destroy the work of God.
"If anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble,, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea"- Matthew ch18 v6

If there was any goodness and honesty in you, you would be teaching Falun Dafa from works produced by the disciples of Falun Dafa instead of trying to steal and distort the scriptures of other religions.

You are demonstrating that Falun Dafa, in practice, is a source of unrighteousness.

Originally posted by DISRAELI

Originally posted by Gaussq
Matthew does not relate to the Lord of Lords but to Jesus copycats. You can not make an apple into a pear my friend.

You were the one who were elevating your "Lord of Lords" to a Messianic position.
In that position, as someone born on earth, he fits the description given by Matthew.
Not being a Christian, you are not qualified to interpret Christian scripture

"Messianic position". Jesus Christ came down here as Messiah and spread his teachings around Israel and was crucified in return.

Jesus was not some kind of a global superstar during his life. Other people turned him into that later.

I am speaking about the Lord of Lords, spreading his teachings globally to hundreds of millions of people in a record short period of time to save the god part of mankind, establishing the basis of the global Church of the future as Jesus foretold to Swedenborg.

Again, we do not at all share the same understanding of Matthew:

"Then, if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. For false christs
and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders to decieve, if possible, even the elect"

What Matthew refers to is a false prophet claiming to be Jesus who makes easy points and probably money and fame and shows some magic tricks. Master Li Hongzhi has never claimed to be Jesus, a Buddha or anything like that.

If one studies his scriptures and cultivates well one will arrive at a conclusion. In fact his disciples know who he is but he lets people enlighten to truth by themselves. Who can enlighten? That is a relevant question.

Why did not Jesus or Buddha produce their scriptures by themselves? Would it not have been better? Was there not a reason for that?

Master Li did write all his scriptures, very extensive and detailed. Only the Lord of Lords is allowed to create the ultimate religion on earth and produce the perfect scriptures by himself.

Falun Dafa is a self-cultivation school that offers nothing to anyone unless they can transform themselves into good persons first in their daily life(doing a good work, being kindhearted, compassionate, tolerant, being able to suffer etc) . This is achieved by cultivating body, mind and soul. You will open your third eye and develop Gong energy in Falun Dafa.

This is very arduos work indeed and Falun Dafa is a superior cultivation school not comparable to any of the old religions. Those religions were only created to prepare the way for the new church at the end of times.

Indeed why has FD attracted more than 100 million people in a few years? Coincidence? No fake cult or any orthodox religion could ever do that in mankind´s history.

Who is the "beast" mentioned in the bible? Is it not the corrupted old religion called Christianity, which is rotten from the inside(clergy)? Of course that is the beast, for reasons stated in the message above from Jesus to Swedenborg.

Would the Lord of Lords allow a "fake religion" to grow from nothing to hundred millions in a few years during the end times? Would he not have stopped it?

Is that true faith in the power of the Lord of Lords, if you think he can not stop that from happening?

Whoever you think he is, does he not have any power in your opinion?.. How can he then be the Lord of Lords?...


Feel free to check the scriptures here:

www.falundafa.org... - Zhuan Falun is the main book.


Thank you for your time.

Originally posted by DISRAELI

Originally posted by Gaussq
Revelation is a prophecy for the world to read(as is said in Revelation, each soul reading that scripture is lucky), not only for people who "brand" themselves Christians and superior to others.

Revelation is a book which is part of the Christian New Testament.
It is centred, absolutely, upon the person and work of Jesus Christ, who is the focus of the Christian faith.

Martin Luther considered it(Revelation) to be "neither apostolic nor prophetic" and stated that "Christ is neither taught nor known in it"....

Just to make an example of an "expert" who thought otherwise.

Btw, feel free to explain what your God Jesus did to communicate and try to save the good Christians from the coming collapse of Christianity? Or is Jesus paralysed you think?

In my belief Jesus is a great God, he is very powerful, logical and he explained everything about the Apocalypse and True Christianity through the best man he could use incarnated on earth, Emmanuel Swedenborg.

Originally posted by Gaussq
I am speaking about the Lord of Lords, spreading his teachings globally to hundreds of millions of people in a record short period of time to save the god part of mankind, establishing the basis of the global Church of the future as Jesus foretold to Swedenborg.

...Master Li Hongzhi has never claimed to be Jesus, a Buddha or anything like that.

You are making the equivalent claim for him.
Comes to the same thing.

Master Li did write all his scriptures, very extensive and detailed. Only the Lord of Lords is allowed to create the ultimate religion on earth and produce the perfect scriptures by himself.

Yes, that will do. You're making the claim that fits the description in Matthew. I rest my case.

Indeed why has FD attracted more than 100 million people in a few years? Coincidence? No fake cult or any orthodox religion could ever do that in mankind´s history.

Yet nobody on ATS is interested in the teaching, and you have to give it some artificial publicity by hitching a free ride on somebody else's thread? Not what I call a big success. As in the case of "righteousness", what you are doing disproves your own claim.

Originally posted by Gaussq
Martin Luther considered it(Revelation) to be "neither apostolic nor prophetic" and stated that "Christ is neither taught nor known in it"....

Just read it
Chapter one, chapter five.
Just read it honestly.

Originally posted by DISRAELI

Originally posted by Gaussq
Martin Luther considered it(Revelation) to be "neither apostolic nor prophetic" and stated that "Christ is neither taught nor known in it"....

Just read it
Chapter one, chapter five.
Just read it honestly.

In my humble opinion, reading and understanding are two distinctly different things. Read Swedenborg and get the facts straight from Jesus.

Originally posted by Gaussq
In my humble opinion, reading and understanding are two distinctly different things. Read Swedenborg and get the facts straight from Jesus.

That certainly applies to your reading of Revelation.
There is a better way to get the facts straight from Jesus;
"When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth...He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you"- John ch16 13-14

Originally posted by DISRAELI

Indeed why has FD attracted more than 100 million people in a few years? Coincidence? No fake cult or any orthodox religion could ever do that in mankind´s history.

Yet nobody on ATS is interested in the teaching, and you have to give it some artificial publicity by hitching a free ride on somebody else's thread? Not what I call a big success. As in the case of "righteousness", what you are doing disproves your own claim.

FD will attract the predestined ones, each one is extremely precious. This cosmos will form a new angelic heaven and a new church on earth no matter what we do here.

I am happy if people know FD is good and based on Truth-Compassion-Forbearance.

Have people not been led astray long enough by the deceiving Christianity? Is the clergy not violating Jesus teachings? It was finished hundreds of years ago.

The future is wonderful for those who can recognize it in time inside their good hearts.

Originally posted by DISRAELI

Originally posted by Gaussq
In my humble opinion, reading and understanding are two distinctly different things. Read Swedenborg and get the facts straight from Jesus.

That certainly applies to your reading of Revelation.
There is a better way to get the facts straight from Jesus;
"When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth...He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you"- John ch16 13-14

Still, Jesus truth is bound to be higher and more correct than yours.You never explained why Jesus could not communicate with us for 2000 years on earth when everything went astray in church.

Originally posted by Gaussq
I am happy if people know FD is good and based on Truth-Compassion-Forbearance.

As I have been pointing out, your contributions to this thread destroy the claim to truth.