Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
If a man reports abuse then he will end up going to prison, so yes there are very good reasons why men wouldn't report it.

Before actually responding to that, by prison do you mean the same thing I do when I say prison? Or are you referring to what I call a county jail? The former being the same place murderers are sent to after conviction, the latter being the same place people are held when arrested for public intoxication.

If we get abused and report, then we go to prison, the statistics reflect another male abuser, feminists stand up and call us brutes and the government funds womens charities. It's a sad cycle.

I have to wonder how not reporting something like that helps anything. How exactly will society change and quit assuming that only women are victims if the male victims never say anything?

Also, I checked for men's resources if they've been victims:
MaleSurvivor.org For male victims of sexual abuse
Domestic Abuse Hotline For men and women
Sexual Assault and Relationship Abuse Prevention and Support Contains a list of hot-lines and resources for men only.

I got 235k hits for 'resources for male victims of abuse' on google. Do women have more resources available to them? Yes we do. Is it fair? Not always. But there are resources out there for men too and the situation certainly won't change if men aren't reporting it.

reply to post by Jenna


By prison i mean a government run facility that houses criminals for long sentences, thieves, murderers, con men etc etc. Obviously the man is first taken to a police station and held awaiting questioning and eventual bail but his final destination will be prison.

As for not reporting it means things won't change, well what i am trying to make you understand Jenna is that reporting it won't change anything, in fact it will make the situation worse because the man will be labelled the abuser and the statistics then don't reflect the truth of the matter. Just consider the situation.


Man calls police saying his wife is beating him.

Police turn up and they are already looking at the man as the abuser, hate to say this is true but i know a police officer and this is the stance they take.

Police ask wife if man hit her, all she now has to do is say yes and that man is automatically arrested. He can also be convicted on her word alone.


Now if an abuser is willing to hit their partner they are more than willing to send them to prison to save themselves. This is the reality, reporting it doesn't change a damn thing because the man ends up in prison anyway and the woman is labelled the victim. The only time men manage to get the woman convicted is if she cracks on interview, there are witnesses or he is really really injured. Of course if he is badly injured she can still claim self defense, that she has been abused for years and even without evidence of that the courts will often let her off.

This is all the result of unequal application of laws that grew from bad seeds within the feminist movement.

As far as male abuse, Oprah just had 200 male sex abuse survivors on her show last night, and it was part two. Tyler Perry was on there too. So men cannot say ther eis not media coverage and resources like there is for women, Oprah has weighed in and brought it mainstream now.

reply to post by Jenna

I have to wonder how not reporting something like that helps anything. How exactly will society change and quit assuming that only women are victims if the male victims never say anything?

This is the problem.

It's not like many of them aren't trying to report it. It's that sensationalized feminism has made it so that reporting it can turn the whole situation around on them.

I trust you have never filed a police report before if you trust in the system so much.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
As far as male abuse, Oprah just had 200 male sex abuse survivors on her show last night, and it was part two. Tyler Perry was on there too. So men cannot say ther eis not media coverage and resources like there is for women, Oprah has weighed in and brought it mainstream now.

A victory indeed, but that's pretty much the first I've heard about domestic abuse against males from a large outlet. This is great to be getting this out there.... why do you sound so bitter about it

"Ther eis not media coverage and resources [for men] like there is for women". Fact. Kthxbai.

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That's great of Oprah but it's a drop in an ocean, a good drop but theres a very long road to go and i somehow doubt we will reach the end of it. Even with this "awareness" Oprah has raised you only need to take a step outside and talk to a few people to understand what society thinks. Men are still the abusers and not the victims and the law is heavily weighted in favour of women.

You want a direct example of inequality? This is UK law of course i'm not clear on USA laws.

If a woman accuses a man of abuse he is automatically arrested and can be imprisoned on her word alone.

If a man accuses a woman of abuse there is no law that requires she is arrested and she won't be convicted on his word alone. And usually he'll still be arrested.

Unfair and very clear inequality. A law that singles out and punishes men because of their gender. A law brought about by women calling themselves feminists.

Originally posted by Brood

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
As far as male abuse, Oprah just had 200 male sex abuse survivors on her show last night, and it was part two. Tyler Perry was on there too. So men cannot say ther eis not media coverage and resources like there is for women, Oprah has weighed in and brought it mainstream now.

A victory indeed, but that's pretty much the first I've heard about domestic abuse against males from a large outlet. This is great to be getting this out there.... why do you sound so bitter about it

"Ther eis not media coverage and resources [for men] like there is for women". Fact. Kthxbai.

edit on 13-11-2010 by Brood because: (no reason given)

If I "sound" bitter it is your projections upon me.

And because women are abused at a far higher percentage than men, the media coverage is on parrallel with that. I expect more media coverage of women being abused not because I am against males or "bitter" but because it happens at such a higher percentage.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
If I "sound" bitter it is your projections upon me.

And because women are abused at a far higher percentage than men, the media coverage is on parrallel with that. I expect more media coverage of women being abused not because I am against males or "bitter" but because it happens at such a higher percentage.

And now we're back to the point you continually miss. Women are probably not abused by men more than men are abused by women, the statistics are simply skewed because men don't report abuse or if they do report it then the man ends up getting arrested instead of the woman. Once again, anyone who is honest in this area of research says that abuse tends to be reciprocal and quite evenly split between the sexes.

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Tater, Please do some real research, the reates are about equal. I do not know how many times more I need to say this. Look at the links, I have provded here and on other threads. They are roughly equal.

Originally posted by mayertuck
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Tater, Please do some real research, the reates are about equal. I do not know how many times more I need to say this. Look at the links, I have provded here and on other threads. They are roughly equal.

It's next to pointless to post links to research that doesn't agree with someone else's worldview in discussions like this. Most of the time they won't even bother to go read. If they do bother to go read, they will most likely label it as faulty or skewed or not based in reality. Very few people possess a mind open enough to allow themselves to overcome the bias that has been drilled into them for decades.

I have never hit a woman.

I have been hit by women twice.

Im rather imposing and was told by a cop if I tried to get a pfa the judge would take one look at me an laugh.

So yes these things happen to men and they don't report them.

reply to post by ISHAMAGI


Sorry to hear about your experiences. Hopefully speaking out will help dispel the myth that Domestic Violence = "Big strong man smashing small defenceless woman and thinking it's ok". We are hearing more men speak out about the issue of Domestic Violence as the years go by, and we are seeing there are other sides to women than the sweet, innocent and tolerant sides that dominate in the media.

It would be interesting to find out what percentage of women victims of domestic violence have a history of being physical and aggressive towards their partners. I do not wish to trivialise female victims of DV because there are demented men that cannot control their rage and do beat women, but is the number significant in the context of the average case of Domestic Violence like the Feminist Movement claims?

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Unfortunately, the number of Women's Rights groups with powerful and influential backers far outnumber the very few groups concerned with addressing Men's Rights issues.

When it comes to helping women, Society can never do enough. As for Men, well they can look after themselves.

reply to post by Dark Ghost


DG, think that is addressed in the medairadar.org site. There was another study that came out recently (think its listed on RADAR also) that said that the biggest predictor of someone being seriously hurt in a dv instance is if they started the incident. So basically if a woman hits her partner first then she would often get hurt worse if the man retaliates. Either is wrong, but the gist of the study was the best way for females to protect themselves from domestic violence is for them to not start being violent first.

Well looks like some more "progress" has been made, mentions domestic violence and 3 felonies. Now lets see what the "punishment actually is going to be.

'Teen Mom' star charged with domestic violence felonies"
www.cnn.com...

reply to post by mayertuck


I think that girl will have to be given a decent sentence because the powers that be will want to make it look like they take domestic violence against men seriously. If she hadn't been on video then i am sure she would have been given a minor sentence. Although being a mother she will no doubt be shown leniency, even though a father wouldn't be afforded the same thing. What really gets me is that if a man had hit his wife then that man would be unable to see his children, or will have to see them under supervised conditions, but i am quite sure the courts won't make the same decision for a woman.

reply to post by CAELENIUM

So, I take it that you don't date guys?

reply to post by Dark Ghost


well you have to blame the men for that. One of the ongoing problems has been that men are so rarely aware of themselves that they have kind of missed the debate entirely or worse. Left it to a handfull of men with specific agenda.

Well Brazil now has a female President. I do not know if the feminists see her as a feminist or whether she sees herself as a feminist. I know some here may be horrified but if Brazil can do it well maybe the other countries may do so too.

reply to post by tiger5


Of course men are to blame. Men are to blame for the Oppression of Women and the Oppression of Men AND for making the world so male-centric that the Rights of Men get ignored these days. Hmm, what else can we blame men for?

Your own hidden agenda is becoming clearer the more you post in these types of threads. I wonder how many lies you have had to concoct in your own mind to convince yourself that your echo-Feminist views carry any basis in reality?