Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

Women today are like men anyway, no big difference, why if I turned out the light I would not even notice it.
Feminists are more like men on strike. Madona and GAGA should join the club.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
At first you might think this preposterous but a man tenderly holding a baby is showing his feminine side.
Reaching for and holding a baby may be a part of many a modern man's normal day and he may adopt it as his own but it is not his natural inclination.
Look at what other men CALL men who do household chores, baby sit and change diapers. Sissies, p-whipped, gay.
I have a brother, a mechanic with three daughters. He traded his girlie mags and beer ball in for ballet slippers and dance classes.

Holding an infant is feminin? Since when?

It's not our natural inclination? Since when?

Would that be before or after nature (applied to both sexes) an instictual urge to protect those children with our lives?

And pink...pft...it's called SALMON .

reply to post by mayertuck


I can see your point but feminism is a movement like all others. There are various tendencies within it like Socialist, radical, anarchist , spiritual, Integrationist, seperatist. All movements are amorphous.

The real problem is that we men have not theory of masculinity ... All we have is a word - misandry and what a tawdry and worn out bandaid it is . There is an amazing corpus of feminist theory. Many may not like it - many even hate it but tell you what? It is a large body of thought. All that we have really is simplistic anecdotes of "women who done men wrong". The kneejerk lives with men.

I am not bothered as I am not whiny and frankly feminism doesn't bother me as I have spoken with and have liked the feminist drive for equality for years. THere are some truly psycho feminists and I just dislike them - check out the writings (if they can be called so ) of Andrea Dworkin. But hey ho why give her props by arguing with her.

My 2cts

Originally posted by tiger5

I am not bothered as I am not whiny and frankly feminism doesn't bother me as I have spoken with and have liked the feminist drive for equality for years. There are some truly psycho feminists and I just dislike them.

THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU

There is a major misconception that Strong Independent Minded Women like whimpy whiny men. That they like to Power over them. How BORING!!!!!!!!!

If you are "strong of mind" - - you want an EQUAL - - someone who will challenge you to be the best you can be.

A Bully is a Bully - - no matter the gender.
A Radical is a Radical - - no matter the gender.
A Psycho is a Psycho - - no matter the gender.

reply to post by tiger5

I can agree fully. It is a movement, and like all movements they usually accomplish their golas or most of them and then look for more. Just as you said any movement. It was only until my experieinces that I even bothered to look into any of this. And as I said that is when I started noticing everything. I have nothing wrong with any movement, until they start causing issues with other people. The main problem with the gender feminists are they wield enormus powers political and socially, and these have resulted in areas where men are vastly ehind the eight ball.

I have no problem whate ver with feminists that want true equality in things. I agree with them, that is why I posted that last article. I completly get behind their ideals. The minority "gender feminists" do not want that, and as I stated before they are the ones that have the power. They do not want equality, they want equality when it suits them, and completly ignoring when it wouldn't (child custody, dv, etc).

I have read some of dworkin, and sadly the majority of her followers, are just like the group I am talking about. .

reply to post by hotbakedtater


Regarless of whether I am defensive or not has nothing to do with my arguments. Yes I just joined the community, as I said in my first post I have been lurking for a while. I have never been inclinated to discuss the other issues. This issue as I said is close to my heart so I was inclined to join and add my two cents. Believe it or not. It may seem you are spot on in your assement, but you couldn't be more wrong. Frankly it doesn't matter to me if you believe otherwise. Just to play along with you for a second had I came in and said that I agree with you would it have been a big deal? Would what I say carry weight with you? I am sorry if you feel I have been more critical with you than others, nothing I can do about it. Everybody that comes in here and posts "garbage" men and women I correct. If I was a "winger" would I even do that.

Originally posted by mayertuck

I have no problem whatever with feminists that want true equality in things. I agree with them, that is why I posted that last article. I completely get behind their ideals. The minority "gender feminists" do not want that, and as I stated before they are the ones that have the power. They do not want equality, they want equality when it suits them, and completely ignoring when it wouldn't (child custody, dv, etc).

I have read some of dworkin, and sadly the majority of her followers, are just like the group I am talking about. .

Ya know what - - I was gonna say - - you should try the other side. Try being a woman in this world.

But - ya know what - - - that is exactly what you are expressing.

You are expressing all the frustrations us women have put up with for years. The injustice - the inequality - most things controlled by men - - etc etc etc.

You have gone on and on and on and on - - - in more then one thread about how you've been mistreated - - - because of women.

reply to post by Annee

Anne, and I can say the same thing about you trying to be a man. I have never said it was women, I said a group of women. Please do put words into my mouth. I see and fight for both issues. Because I want true equality. I have posted numerous times on issues that affect men, that gender feminists are unwilling to even listen or acknowledge AT ALL. There are a group on here including myself that acknowledge that females still have issues that affect them. We never said that there wasn't. That is the difference. We are able to listen to those problems and understand and even emphathise with them. But when we bring up the issues we are told we are whining, the prblems do not exist, etc. I am sorry because something bad happened in the past, you don't solve that by keeping those issues alive and just changing roles. That solves nothing.

If anyone has done any "whining" its the small group of feministic women on this thread. Insults, attacks on sexuality, and on one's character; which overall prove the anti-feminist argument.

I feel that most of the men have been more than polite and professional. The feminist women have more than proved their indoctrination and also proved to be the "weak, whiny, and mostly irrational" commenters on this thread.

its funny how their arrogance has blinded them from their hypocrisy.

Either that, or they are a small lot of trolls to incite anger and animosity; which is intended to throw off the overall progress of the topic.

Stars and respect to all the men who did not fall for their tactics.

reply to post by Annee

I never said that there weren't men that are just as bad as some of the females. And yes they are pathetic, just as you can say that there are females that are just as pathetic,, and say the same type of things? Am I correct? Should I completly ignore the views of the feminists that do seek equality just because of the more vocal gender feminists that don't?


I have called out both sides of the issue when they say "off base things" Did I call out azoria? Nope would I prefer that he said gender feminists, yea, but I can not control what henor anyone else says. Thats why I posted that last article to give some perspective. people like BH are "good feminists" because she seeks equality, while people like taters isn't because she wants equality only when it benefits her or her view.

Originally posted by mayertuck
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

Regarless of whether I am defensive or not has nothing to do with my arguments. Yes I just joined the community, as I said in my first post I have been lurking for a while. I have never been inclinated to discuss the other issues. This issue as I said is close to my heart so I was inclined to join and add my two cents. Believe it or not. It may seem you are spot on in your assement, but you couldn't be more wrong. Frankly it doesn't matter to me if you believe otherwise. Just to play along with you for a second had I came in and said that I agree with you would it have been a big deal? Would what I say carry weight with you? I am sorry if you feel I have been more critical with you than others, nothing I can do about it. Everybody that comes in here and posts "garbage" men and women I correct. If I was a "winger" would I even do that.

So you are saying I post garbage? How rude. I never personally attacked you, yet time and again you make rude direct comments to me. And by doing so, again prove my previous points.

And, nothing I have stated is incorrect so please point me to my incorrect statements and the "corrections" of the garbage I have posted.

Again, doth he protestest much?

reply to post by mayertuck


Now I am not a good feminist?

You forgot to quantify that In your opinion, and I happen to disagree. I feel I am a great feminist because a feminist in my view does not have to be for equal rights, if anyone wants to champion that cause have at it.

I already stated my cause is females and oppression.

If you feel the need to take up equality causes have at it, I am all for it for other people.

That is the thing about causes people normally only take up the ones that they agree with or care about.

It does not make me a bad feminist just because I do not champion other causes.

And do you know what other causes I champion? No because that is off topic.

ETA yet NOTHER PERSONAL ATTACK, DIRECTED TO ME.

reply to post by hotbakedtater

First the good. One the rare occasion you post something that isn;t based on just feminist ideology, I gave you credit and said that.

Garbage due to hypocracy:

Getting on me for posting a "sob story" yet you post this:
"Has MaKow seen the statistics on divorce? I happened to have made mother and wife MY career, and when he dumped me for a woman ten years younger, my career did not translate well into marketable skills. I went into tradionally female ways, babysitting, daycare, and all the while struggled to raise to fine young men on the way, while their father, who failed to protect or provide, went his merry way. I am not bitter or angry, I am proud that despite my hard and painful life lesson I emerged stronger and better for the ordeal, and so did my kids. I think MaKow's statement about women being left High and Dry is correct, but in the married woman stage."

Garbage again because its not true:
What is all the feminism doesn't stand up for men baloney?

Hello?

Feminism is for women's rights, can men do nothing on their own?

I stand up for human rights too but that's not the topic."


Garbage, has been illustrated time and time again, you choose to dismiss it:

"Ok, since your parameters were western society, I have no idea what intances of discrimination feminists are supposed to rally for yall men.

Could you please name some?

Garbage: Contradicts you being a humanist
So only serving ones own ideals is wrong?

If I am white and do not join naacp am I racist?

If I am female and only advocate for females does this mean I also hate pets because I don't advocate for them?

Faulty correlation.

Adding, there are enough causes to go around I myself have chosen the ones I care deeply for.

Please do the same yourself, I welcome it."


those are just in this thread. Do I need to go to the other threads?

Now can you do the same for me?

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
You forgot to quantify that In your opinion, and I happen to disagree. I feel I am a great feminist because a feminist in my view does not have to be for equal rights, if anyone wants to champion that cause have at it.

And here we get to not only the problem with the feminist movement in the modern age but your own ignorance of it's history. Feminism was about achieving equal rights for women in a world that treated them like rubbish. It was about getting the same legal rights and protections and the same opportunities in society. If you don't fight for equal rights then you are not a feminist and to use that label discredits the entire movement.

Women in western socities have equal rights, the feminist movement should die and instead people should fight for human rights, because that is a far more uniting concept.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


I have posted numerous times what I think is a "good feminist" read the damn article. Do you support true equality, nope as I said you support equality when it benefits you. So yes I think you are a bad feminist. Notice I am not calling you a bad person. You choose to support an idealogy that is self serving and claims be but really isnt. To be honest I think in time you will see the errors of your way and perhaps become more moderate in your views. I have been in situations like you, and it did make me angry for a while. Then when I had time I thought about my positions and realized how I was being hypocritical. And then I started actually listening to the views of "feminists" both bad and good. I then discarded the bad along with the bad men's views.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I am a forward thinker, and history is backward thinking.

I am more worried about what is happening in the present, the now, and how to make the future a better place.

What does history have to do with how I define myself?

And what problems are you going on about? I am not the one who has a problem defining myself or my beliefs, you do.

reply to post by mayertuck


So you base your beliefs of what a "good" feminist is off a "damn" article??

Good for you.

I don't, I base my opinions off of my own life and my experiences, like all humans do, except you, you base it off articles.

I also don't care what you think of my "feminism" nor will I moderate my beliefs when I happen to believe in them.

Maybe one day you will moderate your beliefs and be a good feminist too. (sarcasm alert)

reply to post by hotbakedtater

How is the future going to be better if we have the same issues with people being oppreseed and only the roles are reversed?

Originally posted by mayertuck
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

How is the future going to be better if we have the same issues with people being oppreseed and only the roles are reversed?

What are you on about? I cannot predict the future, I can only do my best in the here and now and hope it reflects in our future generations.

I do not know what you mean by reversed roles??