Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

reply to post by Exuberant1


Are you injecting a little humor here? I think I get it.

reply to post by rusethorcain


There s nothing humourous about the attitude that young women have today regarding sexual behaviour.

It is quite sad.

So many of them will never find a man who wants to marry them - especially not if they are honest with him.

Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by FortAnthem


And now women are free to use their bodies to titillate men through pornography or pole dancing.

Only now, never in the past?

Yes. Pornography is a recent invention and women just realized that they can titillate by showing off their bodies. I only realized I had cleavage a week ago and.. well my life just changed overnight. Such power!

I like how he said "free to". Would it be okay for her to pole dance if she were chained to that pole? Funny how this subject has become about what women are "free to" and "allowed" to do when it's meant to be about relationships.

It is not a relationship if one owns the other

..and "what woman are allowed to do"? By who exactly?

Originally posted by FortAnthemIn becoming the equals with men, women have, for the most part, had to give up all of the things that made them women in the first place.

Becoming equals? They were more than our equals in the past and are more so now, generally.

For some reason I imagine that you actually are in a relationship or have no real issues obtaining one. Conversely I have noticed that many men who complain about the freedom/rights women have have alot of trouble actually getting one and so blame women for their difficulties. Youtube "true forced loneliness" for more further insight into such personalities.

reply to post by riley

Actually pornography is not recent.

Depictions of a sexual nature are as old as civilization (and possibly older, in the form of venus figurines and rock art),[2] but the concept of pornography as understood today did not exist until the Victorian era. Nineteenth century legislation outlawed the publication, retail and trafficking of certain writings and images, regarded as pornographic, and would order the destruction of shop and warehouse stock, meant for sale. However, the private possession of and viewing of (some forms of) pornography was not made an offence until recent times.[3]

When large scale excavations of Pompeii were undertaken in the 1860s, much of the erotic art of the Romans came to light, shocking the Victorians who saw themselves as the intellectual heirs of the Roman Empire. They did not know what to do with the frank depictions of sexuality, and endeavored to hide them away from everyone but upper class scholars. The moveable objects were locked away in the Secret Museum in Naples and what could not be removed was covered and cordoned off as to not corrupt the sensibilities of women, children and the working class. Soon after, the world's first law criminalizing pornography was enacted by the Parliament of the United Kingdom in 1857 in the Obscene Publications Act.

The Victorian attitude that pornography was for a select few can be seen in the wording of the Hicklin test stemming from a court case in 1868 where it asks, "whether the tendency of the matter charged as obscenity is to deprave and corrupt those whose minds are open to such immoral influences." Despite the fact of their suppression, depictions of erotic imagery were common throughout history.

en.wikipedia.org...

If she chooses to be chained to that pole more than likely it is her CHOICE to do so especially in the US. Yes in the past what you have said may be true, but these days nope. There are laws that are stricly enforced to prevent "someone owning" any one. Now would I say that some people think they can "own" someone, yes but it is on both genders that do that. "No one messes with MY man" comes to mind.

In addition, I am married and have been so for the past 6 years, I do not have issues with relationships. Have I made bad decisions in the past and been with wrong person yes we all have.

reply to post by mayertuck


I forgot sarcasm tags but I thank you for posting that it adds to the discussion.

In the Vatican there is a draw full of chiselled off marble penises.. some might say that it was an attempt to censore but others might say they just wanted a draw full of marble penises. It's all a matter of perspective really.

reply to post by riley


I caught the sarcasm after the fact, but decided to leave it up in the interst in the discussion, there are those that think that it is a new invention. And still would like you to know that I have the view I have because I was in a situation where I stated to see the bias and double standards that those that follow the gender feminists ideology helped put into place that ends up hurting everyone. Before this situation, I had no idea about the issues affecting men and women, so I set out to learn, taking both sides into account and weighing each views. Do I think feminism is directly to blame, no not the feminism that seeks true equality, but the ones that dont i have a real problem with. Just like the various man's groups that support true equality have my support and I fight the men's that don't. That is the reason I always say gender feminists instead of just feminists, because I know there are some feminists that truly do want equality.

Any group that places them above another and refuses to listen to the others point of view is just wrong. I do not care if you are talking, gender, race, religion, creed, or any other way we want to divide ourselves up.

reply to post by riley

But the question is can those two perspectives talk and come to a reasonable conclusion about why they were chiseld off. I am pretty sure it is a mixture of both, and if certain people (not implying you) would take the time to listen to the other side then perhaps that middle mixture could be found.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


And just because someone joins into the discussion they're poiint has no bearing? Just because I do not have the time spent in this community does not make anything I have said any less than true. I am not paid, nor volunteering in my efforrts, this is a subject that is near and dear to my heart for many many reason, only which some of them you may know.

reply to post by Exuberant1


What are you 100?

So many of them will never find a man who wants to marry them - especially not if they are honest with him.

I think this goes both ways. These days women are making more money than men not because they get paid more but because they are working and they save more... period.
Who needs "a man to marry them" as you so quaintly put it.
I feel sorry for the men who are looking for a hymen.
And I feel even sorrier for the children who are taken in search of one.

Do you think the incidence of child exploitation and molestation went up 400% in the past 20 years because men were happy? The prey just gets younger and younger.
www.klaaskids.org...

According the FBI’s National Crime Information Center
* 85% to 90% of the 876,213 persons reported missing to America’s law enforcement agencies in 2000 were juveniles (persons under 18 years of age). That means that 2,100 times per day parents or primary care givers felt the disappearance was serious enough to call law enforcement.
* 152,265 of the persons reported missing in 2000 were categorized as either endangered or involuntary.
* The number of missing persons reported to law enforcement has increased from 154, 341 in 1982 to 876,213 in 2000.
That is an increase of 468%.

reply to post by rusethorcain


And once again can I see you source on that stat please?

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Do you think the incidence of child exploitation and molestation went up 400% in the past 20 years because men were happy? The prey just gets younger and younger.

This debate was going round in circles but you managed to raise an interesting point (even though it's utterly off topic and once again aimed at causing an angry response).

Lets for a moment accept your statistic, even though it's not true lets just say it is that high an increase. What is the real reason behind it? Quite simply it is because children now are able to speak out more freely about abuse. In the past families used to hide it due to shame (because most abuse occurs within families and not from strangers). There was a terrible stigma involved but happily in the last 20 years there have been serious efforts to combat this and so the apparent increase is not a true increase, just higher detection/reporting rates.

To try and take such an important and terrible crime and twist it to attack men is utterly sad, utterly desperate and not something that comes from the mind of a nice person.

reply to post by AzoriaCorp


This might have a little bit to do with those problems and a whole heaping helping of the rest of the worlds problems to boot!

Machismo is prominently exhibited or excessive masculinity.[1] As an attitude, refers to displaying manly characteristics, such as domineering, fierceness, bravado, etc., in ways that are showily and histrionically tough. The trait may be seen as the product of runaway evolution, as Frits Staal notes,

The peacock's tail, the enlarged claw of the male fiddler crab and the machismo of members of the human species are all exaggerated features that may cause injury to individuals that display them but attract females.[2]

It appears the females are wise to the many flamboyant tricks of the mating rituals and the females don't fall for the "suggestion" males make with their buffoonery as readily these days.
Evolution... I guess is what we call it.
Women are not as unsuspecting or compliant as they used to be.
Feminism might have something to do with that but whether that or machismo is ruining the relationship is a little like the chicken and egg argument. Circular and unsolvable.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Do you think the incidence of child exploitation and molestation went up 400% in the past 20 years because men were happy? The prey just gets younger and younger.
www.klaaskids.org...

According the FBI’s National Crime Information Center
* 85% to 90% of the 876,213 persons reported missing to America’s law enforcement agencies in 2000 were juveniles (persons under 18 years of age). That means that 2,100 times per day parents or primary care givers felt the disappearance was serious enough to call law enforcement.
* 152,265 of the persons reported missing in 2000 were categorized as either endangered or involuntary.
* The number of missing persons reported to law enforcement has increased from 154, 341 in 1982 to 876,213 in 2000.
That is an increase of 468%.

Those statistics are regarding missing children for a start and not the rate of abuse, kids are kidnapped for any number of reasons and also you should really try and understand figures before posting them. The figure of 876,213 is all children reported missing, this includes such situations where a worried parents calls the police because their child is late, only for their child to turn an hour late and in perfect health. The important figure is below that one and stands at 152,265, which is a hell of a lot lower. As for comparing it to the 1982 figure, that's also ridiculous considering the fact there are now more children and parents tend to call the police earlier.

Did you fail to read those statistics, or simply unable to comprehend them? How are you not able to tell the difference between statistics regarding kidnapped/missing children and abused children?

Originally posted by rusethorcain
It appears the females are wise to the many flamboyant tricks of the mating rituals and the females don't fall for the "suggestion" males make with their buffoonery as readily these days.

What nonsense, do you ever go outside your house? It's all pretty much the same, men and women are attracted to one another and of course there is that old thing, you don't choose who you fall in love with. Still if you walk into any nightclub or pub you will find many mating displays and oddly enough lots of people going home together.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Evolution... I guess is what we call it.

Are you using the scientific meaning of that word or the common meaning? Neither is really suitable but it's understndable that you get it wrong.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Women are not as unsuspecting or compliant as they used to be.

Good, those kind of women are rather dull.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Feminism might have something to do with that but whether that or machismo is ruining the relationship is a little like the chicken and egg argument. Circular and unsolvable.

Not really, extremist feminist who hate men are most certainly ruining not only the relationship but the movement they dare to claim as their own.

I'm glad the debate got interesting again, i had abandoned it.

reply to post by rusethorcain


Nice cherry picking of those stats.
here is the entire set from that article:


Missing Child Statistics

Kidnapping: Whenever a person is taken or detained against his or her will, including hostage situations, whether or not the victim is moved. Kidnapping is not limited to the acts of strangers but can be committed by acquaintances, by romantic partners, and, as has been increasingly true in recent years, by parents who are involved in acrimonious custody disputes. Kidnapping involves both short-term and short-distance displacements, acts common to many sexual assaults and robberies.

According the FBI’s National Crime Information Center (NCIC)

* 85% to 90% of the 876,213 persons reported missing to America’s law enforcement agencies in 2000 were juveniles (persons under 18 years of age). That means that 2,100 times per day parents or primary care givers felt the disappearance was serious enough to call law enforcement.
* 152,265 of the persons reported missing in 2000 were categorized as either endangered or involuntary.
* The number of missing persons reported to law enforcement has increased from 154, 341 in 1982 to 876,213 in 2000. That is an increase of 468%.

According to the United States Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice Delinquency Prevention Juvenile Justice Bulletin, June 2000

* Kidnapping makes up less than 2 percent of all violent crimes against juveniles reported to police.
* Based on the identity of the perpetrator, there are three distinct types of kidnapping: kidnapping by a relative of the victim or "family kidnapping" (49 percent), kidnapping by an acquaintance of the victim or "acquaintance kidnapping" (27 percent), and kidnapping by a stranger to the victim or "stranger kidnapping" (24 percent).
* Family kidnapping is committed primarily by parents, involves a larger percentage of female perpetrators (43 percent) than other types of kidnapping offenses, occurs more frequently to children under 6, equally victimizes juveniles of both sexes, and most often originates in the home.
* Acquaintance kidnapping has features that suggest it should not be lumped with stranger kidnapping into the single category of non-family kidnapping, as has been done in the past.
* Acquaintance kidnapping involves a comparatively high percentage of juvenile perpetrators, has the largest percentage of female and teenage victims, is more often associated with other crimes (especially sexual and physical assault), occurs at homes and residences, and has the highest percentage of injured victims.
* Stranger kidnapping victimizes more females than males, occurs primarily at outdoor locations, victimizes both teenagers and school-age children, is associated with sexual assaults in the case of girl victims and robberies in the case of boy victims (although not exclusively so), and is the type of kidnapping most likely to involve the use of a firearm.

If any other segment of our population were so impacted, we would declare an epidemic: the center for disease control would fund a cure; we would pass and enforce legislation and we would increase private and public security. But, since it is only our children many in our society accept these appalling numbers as status quo. Although there are no quick fixes to the problems of child safety, there are many things that we can do as adults to address and positively impact the issue.

Next -> Law Enforcement Relations
Notice how you conviently left out that men and women are included the stat, and contribute to the 400% Also note the familial kidnappings. Yup all just the men's LOL.

here is an article I would like the "feminists" on here to read and then answer this question, which are you?

www.ifeminists.com...

reply to post by dawnstar


Are you implying motherhood isn't rewarding? I guess raising children, providing love, care, and emotional support and strength to the overall family's livelyhood isnt rewarding enough for women and THATS why they have chosen a feministic lifestyle and attitude?

wow, things just took a twist for the worse and I didnt think it could get any worse...

I really think just the opposite is true.
A lack of feminism or ability to get in touch and reach a feminine side is the single largest contributor to male and female misunderstandings.

At first you might think this preposterous but a man tenderly holding a baby is showing his feminine side.
Reaching for and holding a baby may be a part of many a modern man's normal day and he may adopt it as his own but it is not his natural inclination.
Look at what other men CALL men who do household chores, baby sit and change diapers. Sissies, p-whipped, gay.
I have a brother, a mechanic with three daughters. He traded his girlie mags and beer ball in for ballet slippers and dance classes.

His oldest girl, 13 and can change (and do everything but test drive)...the brakes on her dad's car.
Her younger sister had a 69 corvette interior as a playpen.

Women have and can exhibit a masculine side.
Why is it so taboo...abhorrent, for a man to entertain a feminine side?

Real men can wear pink...and nobody questions the color choice.

reply to post by mayertuck


Defensive much? If it does not apply to you why are you getting so defensive about the point I brought up? It only serves to make me look spot on in my assessment.

Originally posted by AzoriaCorp
reply to post by dawnstar

 

Are you implying motherhood isn't rewarding? I guess raising children, providing love, care, and emotional support and strength to the overall family's livelyhood isnt rewarding enough for women and THATS why they have chosen a feministic lifestyle and attitude?

wow, things just took a twist for the worse and I didnt think it could get any worse...

WOW! Being that I am 64+ - - - I have known many like you in my early days.

A Big Heartfelt Thank YOU - - to those Brave Outspoken Women - - - breaking the bonds of forced gender role idealism.