Answer me this !

i have been doing alot of thinking , about "god" . for thoes of you who have kids you will know exactly what i am talking about ,

so, one could say we as humans are like God ,we have the power to take life ,we have the power to create life ,do we not ?

so then i have created for myself a Son and a Daughter , why then would i send them to hell ?

i have created them and so far they have no understanding of a God for they are too young at this point .

my point here is simple , i created them because i wanted them , now if my son went through life and commited sins that would put him in hell with my hand , even thought i made him and put him here with no sens of right or worng and the existance god ? for that is the case for some people ... and even if he had the sens of right and wrong and the penalties that fallowed ..i still could not and would not dam him to hell ...because i love him

so then why would god do that to us ? if he loves us then their shale be no hell for anyone ...

i think humans have the wrong understanding of who and what god is about , and in this simple idea of mine i pictured every one going in rewind back to the very first peron ever created ...and it is their that i found god, and Love

hope this all makes sens

Love Nephi

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My friend,

Even if you did not teach your child "right from wrong", I would hope you gave it Love over hate. If you gave it Love, the child would know God and how to be right. However, if you taught it hate, it would not know God, only hell, and would only do wrong.

With Love,

Your Brother

some people have their brain so damaged that they need to to follow an organized religion, they just cant process information like more evolved beings, thats the truth

I hear you brother!

Let me start here, I've been studying the bible for a long time now about 30 years I think, any way as far as I have research the bible thoroughly I've known that there is no Hell that exist.

Whatever a person have done in the past is stays in the past as long you repent from it for the mercy of God Jehovah, thats wy Yeshua died for us so we could have a second chance of being perfect again like we wore design for on this planet.

Search the truth don't listen to any priest 99.9% of them are false prophets of modern day, do your research using the bible as your first base and "My God!! Will You Discover a Whole Different World". Let me add something els, your kids are never to young to learn good.

Remember this and never forget this: There's only one God and his name is Jehovah, he is Alpha and Omega who created all living things in and out of this world even his son Yeshua ( Jesus Christ ) our loard and savior. God bless you and your love-ones and I hope to see you back on earth in paradise one day, but to get to that point we need to know what to do and thats why is so important to research the holy script of the bible. In other words read the instructions of eternal life and follow it.

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100% agree with you.

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A persons choice of religious expression is a complex and deeply personal process. Most people who take the time to address these issues will arrive at the belief system and level of faith that best suits them.

Speaking about the beliefs of others in a negative and derogatory tone does not make your ideas correct, much less superior.

And that is the truth.

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well, so, in your opinion, a person needs to analyze all the religion available and just pick one?

why cant you discuss, try to understand science, try to figure it out by yourself what everything we are experiencing means?

thats what I dont understand, why choose the easiest and dumbest path of joining something that you didnt think for yourself

thats why our world is $¨&*%#¨&, people want to follow, instead of create, discuss, question

if you really know about science and history, studied all religions and still picked one, good for you, but most people dont do that

Originally posted by Nephi1337
i think humans have the wrong understanding of who and what god is about , and in this simple idea of mine i pictured every one going in rewind back to the very first peron ever created

humans anchor their experiences in the linear, i think.
right verses left, or right and left
forwards verse backwards, or forwards and backwards
up verses down, or up and down

we are conditioned to think in linear terms and apply our linear aspects to a concept that may be more than just two directions.

picture going further back than the first person.... don't always rely on first person empathy or first person perspectives for the entire picture.

even if an entire puzzle has only two pieces to it, the result would be that 15 out of 16 attempts the two pieces do not fit together. but once out of 16 times ... those two puzzle pieces do fit.

what about the first single cell organism? alone sucks, so it gave it's all to produce another of it's kind based upon what it had as a template, itself.

so now we have two identical and same life forms with absolutely no experience communicating with any outside entity what so ever.

so does one cell read the message from right to left, or does the other identical cell know to send the message left to right? how do they know which way to read or interpret the message?

if we face eachother and raise our right hands they are on the opposite sides, because we are facing eachother.
but, when i face the mirror and raise my right hand my reflection's right hand is on the same side as my right hand.

just some thoughts,
et

Originally posted by Faiol
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well, so, in your opinion, a person needs to analyze all the religion available and just pick one?

Nowhere in my post did I suggest this at all.

Originally posted by Faiol

why cant you discuss, try to understand science, try to figure it out by yourself what everything we are experiencing means?

This is exactly what I have done over the course of my life and is why I hold the belief system that I happen to hold. Having done this does not make me superior to others. It only implies that I've arrived at the best belief system based upon my own preferences and experiences.

Originally posted by Faiol

thats what I dont understand, why choose the easiest and dumbest path of joining something that you didnt think for yourself

You're making the assumption here that you've arrived at ultimate truths and that the beliefs of others are easy or dumb. This is not logic, it's a demonstration of personal preference.

Originally posted by Faiol

thats why our world is $¨&*%#¨&, people want to follow, instead of create, discuss, question

if you really know about science and history, studied all religions and still picked one, good for you, but most people dont do that

As it happens I have studies many religions and belief systems, as well as history, and have come to the conclusions that best suit me.

I decided to be agnostic.

My love for my children runs deeper and is more true than any other part of my being. We have spent many hours discussing the nature of life and how I believe we came to be here and what purpose we serve. Morality has been a natural consequence of these discussions as they understand that they always have a choice to make. There is a space between stimulus and response that allows us to choose our behavior. At a very young age they both get it, not because what I have taught them, but because what they themselves have discovered by discussing the issue. Having said that, should they choose a truly dark path of inflicting pain and suffering in this world, I could banish them to hell and still love them immensely, because they chose the path. Now, do I believe Hell exists, NO, not in the manner most judeo chrisitian religions describe.

No body finds the truth in the religion, you'll fined the truth in the bible period, but I warn you!!

The bible has been played with and is very important for you to discover which parts has been added and taken off. Trust me no religion will tell you what has been added or taken of the bible, NO RELIGION WILL TELL YOU THAT. That's why there is so many disagreements about the bible, it has been twisted on purpose by secreat societies like Iluminati, they play a huge roll in this bible conspiracy from a long time ago.

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I assume that you say we should pick a religion available since you said

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Faiol

 

A persons choice of religious expression is a complex and deeply personal process. Most people who take the time to address these issues will arrive at the belief system and level of faith that best suits them.

Replying this below

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Faiol

 

You're making the assumption here that you've arrived at ultimate truths and that the beliefs of others are easy or dumb. This is not logic, it's a demonstration of personal preference.

in ANY moment I said to hold the truth, I said we should research and discuss together, not to try to decide that this or that must be true and ignore everything else like most people do

thats what I believe, I really dont know anything, but at least I dont try to look like I do, by joining these organized religion

a lot of these organized religion can be related to charlatans ... but thats another topic ...

always when they restrict what you can do or think, you need to realize that something is wrong, thats why I decided to simply not pick a side, I am just student, learning thought mine and others experiences

I dont need to "know" whats the truth, simply because, science says we cant know the truth, there is no truth; the only truth available to us are the ones based defined by theories; and thats logic; but I must say, I would like to know whats the truth

Originally posted by DondeEsta?
My love for my children runs deeper and is more true than any other part of my being. We have spent many hours discussing the nature of life and how I believe we came to be here and what purpose we serve. Morality has been a natural consequence of these discussions as they understand that they always have a choice to make. There is a space between stimulus and response that allows us to choose our behavior. At a very young age they both get it, not because what I have taught them, but because what they themselves have discovered by discussing the issue. Having said that, should they choose a truly dark path of inflicting pain and suffering in this world, I could banish them to hell and still love them immensely, because they chose the path. Now, do I believe Hell exists, NO, not in the manner most judeo chrisitian religions describe.

if you truly loved them,hell would not even be in the picture ,your job would be to teach them to love in the same way , we learn life through experances ,

manythanks

Nephi

Originally posted by Nephi1337
my point here is simple , i created them because i wanted them , now if my son went through life and commited sins that would put him in hell with my hand , even thought i made him and put him here with no sens of right or worng and the existance god ?

Originally posted by Nephi1337
so, one could say we as humans are like God ,we have the power to take life ,we have the power to create life ,do we not ?

If you made him with no sense of right or wrong and the existence god then what's the purpose of understanding your own self as a God.? You made yourself non existence.

Originally posted by Nephi1337
for that is the case for some people ... and even if he had the sens of right and wrong and the penalties that fallowed ..i still could not and would not dam him to hell ...because i love him

so then why would god do that to us ? if he loves us then their shale be no hell for anyone ...

What if your son cause suffering to his siblings? What if your son cause great damage both physically and mentally to his siblings? Don't you love your other sons and daughters too? How do your children live knowing that you as God and father allow themselves to be abused, unjustified and vulnerable? How do you expect your sons and daughters to trust you knowing your unconditional love allow unjust that cause their suffering throughout their life?

Some mothers wrote they love their son but not their behavior. Their son temper and tantrum have to go. Think about it.

Originally posted by BIONICLE ALEX
No body finds the truth in the religion, you'll fined the truth in the bible period, but I warn you!!

The bible has been played with and is very important for you to discover which parts has been added and taken off. Trust me no religion will tell you what has been added or taken of the bible, NO RELIGION WILL TELL YOU THAT. That's why there is so many disagreements about the bible, it has been twisted on purpose by secreat societies like Iluminati, they play a huge roll in this bible conspiracy from a long time ago.

so your idea would be , if i had a row of people and i told someone at one end a secret ,by the time it got to the other end one it would not be a secret ,but i knew that ,and two it would not be what i said ,it might possible be the foundation to what i spoke but not the roof to cover the foundation ,this is how the bible has been written , the word of god is in bits and peaces ,and that is why we have scatterd religion ...i understand your words my good man

many thanks

Nephi

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so you have a good point ,then i guess it would be our reponsiblily to teach them right from wong ,just as God has given us a conscious ,


would i send him to hell still if he has pain and suffering ? ...my answer is simple ...No because i love him just as a wise man once said ...forgive them father for they know not what they have done ....

but that brings to to this , if it out rights as fathers to teach them right from wrong ,then why does god not teach us his right and wrongs? .....maybe the word of god was left in a book ....who knows more question to ponder on


many thanks


Nephi

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The simple answer is that a literal hell does not exist. Most modern day depictions of Hell actually stem from that of the Greek underworld. The Bible isn't very coherent as it mentions both gehenna and a lake of fire and doesn't specify whether either is literal or whether they are both the same thing.

Hell is one of the most horrible concepts imaginable and the idea that a loving God could ever punish someone infinitely for a finite list of sins is an insult to any thinking being.

reply to post by Nephi1337


Yes I agree. It's not right to punish those who do not know. I won't debate on that. But what about those who already know that you are his father and have the sense of right or wrong? Shouldn't your son teach his siblings the same awareness? Shouldn't he follow what's his morality teach him what and what not to do? What if, knowingly, he choose to defy you and his own morality guidance? What if this one child spread lies to his siblings about your existence, encourage wrong just for pleasure and continue to act ignorant? What if despite your order or advise not to, this one rebel child decide one day he should steal your car, break into his brother's house, steal money, rape his brother's wife, murder her, tie his brother, torturing him, disable him for the rest of his life and he knows it is wrong? Your daughter learn this and expecting your judgement. So how are you going to deal with this one rebel child while at the same time you understand how much your other son's hurt, anger and hatred? What if you know you have to do something to prevent this one rebel child's crimes in future?

What if despite all your attempt to teach the sense of right or wrong, your word is misused and/or misinterpret to suit wrongdoing? What if very few of your sons and daughters know about it and try to correct yet been taunted and refuted by his siblings? What if this few sons and daughters of yours are fighting the lost cause?

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
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The simple answer is that a literal hell does not exist. Most modern day depictions of Hell actually stem from that of the Greek underworld. The Bible isn't very coherent as it mentions both gehenna and a lake of fire and doesn't specify whether either is literal or whether they are both the same thing.

Hell is one of the most horrible concepts imaginable and the idea that a loving God could ever punish someone infinitely for a finite list of sins is an insult to any thinking being.

ya it kinda cancels it self out ,if an all loving god sends his children to hell ,well then he would not be an all loving god ..

thank you for your post

many thanks


Nephi

Originally posted by EasternShadow
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Yes I agree. It's not right to punish those who do not know. I won't debate on that. But what about those who already know that you are his father and have the sense of right or wrong? Shouldn't your son teach his siblings the same awareness? Shouldn't he follow what's his morality teach him what and what not to do? What if, knowingly, he choose to defy you and his own morality guidance? What if this one child spread lies to his siblings about your existence, encourage wrong just for pleasure and continue to act ignorant? What if despite your order or advise not to, this one rebel child decide one day he should steal your car, break into his brother's house, steal money, rape his brother's wife, murder her, tie his brother, torturing him, disable him for the rest of his life and he knows it is wrong? Your daughter learn this and expecting your judgement. So how are you going to deal with this one rebel child while at the same time you understand how much your other son's hurt, anger and hatred? What if you know you have to do something to prevent this one rebel child's crimes in future?

What if despite all your attempt to teach the sense of right or wrong, your word is misused and/or misinterpret to suit wrongdoing? What if very few of your sons and daughters know about it and try to correct yet been taunted and refuted by his siblings? What if this few sons and daughters of yours are fighting the lost cause?

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and what if it was all supose to happen? and what if my son that is new disabled was ment to leave the next day to die in a car crash ? what if his wife had cancer and was going to die and every one had to watch her suffer ? but yet her murder was swift , what if it is all supose to happen for a reson , to bring that family closer together ?

and in the end i know as their father that my son that killed and sind had to so so in order to understand the true meaning of love and life ? because after he died i showed him the life he lived and the people that he hurt ,but before my sinning son died he all ready knew and asked for forgivness ?

what if .......

many thanks

Love Nephi