So, ATS, Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

reply to post by JR MacBeth


I can't disagree with you there and might I add that it's highly more probable we have all committed "irresponsible sex" at least once in our lives regardless of a pregnancy or not.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by JR MacBeth

 

I can't disagree with you there and might I add that it's highly more probable we have all committed "irresponsible sex" at least once in our lives regardless of a pregnancy or not.

Yeah, amen, and mea culpa too. Probably very few could honestly say they had always been responsible in this department. Which suggests a couple of things at the very least.

First, obviously this is part of our human nature that can and does go on "autopilot", for better or worse, this is Mother Nature's way of ensuring the species continues.

Circumstances can aggravate the situation. How many put themselves in situations that almost beg for trouble?

Of course, this gets into the psychological part of it. People do have a "need", and at times it will be strong enough to start dictating destructive behavior.

Which leads to a societal issue. Why is it in our society that some find themselves caught up in various destructive behaviors, including the sexual? Are there unhealthy things that are "promoted" that relate, even indirectly, that contribute to an almost guaranteed problem?

The glorification of drinking in college is an obvious one I can think of, off the top of my head. There's no question that this "cultural" mandate plays a role in perpetuating sexual irresponsibility. How to deal with that?

Enormous issues surrounding this. It's no wonder most prefer to just throw up their hands, or continue along black/white battle lines, that never bother much at addressing the underlying issues.

Well, just trying to insert something "constructive" into the debate. Maybe others will feel similarly?

JR

reply to post by bluemirage5


here is your quote "In the USA alone, 1 million children go missing every year. "

There are 400 million people iin USA.

in 2009 there are 70 million children under age 18 in USA.

at the rate you BELIEVE since 1989 a total of 20 million children are missing (20 years (2009-1989=20) times 1 million = 20 million)

that figure results in about one out of every THREE children are missing in USA.

you have to be insane or high on some illicit mood altering psychoactive substance to believe that.
Or maybe high on a proscribed psychotropic mood altering substance.

ONE OUT OF THREE CHILDREN MISSING? AND THE SOCIAL WORKERS/TEACHERS/PARENTS ARE NOT CONCERNED.

i HAVE FORTY FIVE NEPHEWS AND NIECES. at your dishonest rate fifteen of them are missing. Lots of Laughter at the cognitive functioning that believes that crock of mirage.

reply to post by slugger9787


OMG geezes READ my bloody post properly !!!!!

Now go away

reply to post by JR MacBeth


I will answer your question macbeth about the destructive behaviors.

Basic human nature has a conflict between good and evil, virtue and vice, reason and passion.

With secular humanism and moral relativity on the uprise in belief system, there is no objective, absolute external moral code of conduct.

Lacking this humans seek the path of most pleasurable activity.

Thus there is an epidemic of addiction to pleasure inducing actions
Alcohol
Drugs
Sex
Food
Money

Look closley at these five addictions and honestly seek the CAUSE.

The cause is one or a combination of the catering to of the seven deadly sins.
GLUTTONY= alcohol, drugs, food
GREED= money
SLOTH= alcohol drugs crime
LUST= sex
PRIDE=I am my own GOD.
WRATH=crime
ENVY= crime, sex money

the absolute, external morality shunned by secular humanists and moral relativists eschew the seven virtues
FORTITUDE
TEMPERANCE
PRUDENCE
FAITH
HOPE
LOVE
JUSTICE

reply to post by JR MacBeth


who has been resurrecting the ABSTINENCE AGENDA?

Catholic and Christian teachers, but they have known that for 7000 years, just look in the bible.

reply to post by bluemirage5


pleasr read my post properly ok

what does OMG mean?
and where can i look up in a dictionary the definition of the word geesez (sp)

reply to post by slugger9787


Thry this one for size and perhaps you'll UNDERSTAND it better:

These stats are 2009 of children under the age of 18....

A child goes missing every 40 seconds in the USA, over 2100 a day.

In access of over 800,000 children are reported missing each year.

Another 500,000 go missing and are never reported.

Stats are from the OJJDP

reply to post by slugger9787


Some of us don't read your bible because it condones human sacrifice

hey Slugger....

can you find for me the word "closley" in the Oxford or Websters Dictionary ???

reply to post by slugger9787

Basic human nature has a conflict between good and evil, virtue and vice, reason and passion.

I'm sure most would agree with the essence of what you're saying, regardless of their beliefs. Even Freud addressed these issues from the secular humanist viewpoint, positing ideas like the "id" and the "ego".

But reading between the lines, sounds like you might advocate getting back to roots, recognizing the moral aspects of the issue, instead of ignoring them. And some do seem to ignore some of the "moral" elements it seems, judging by some of the posts in this thread.

And yet, it also seems like the majority DO recognize a moral issue here, regardless of what side they're on. Otherwise, there would have been no consensus when it came to "irresponsible" sex. That term implies that the ethical (or moral) has in fact been recognized.

SO, short of inviting people to church, or what have you, what could be a way for modern society to perhaps plug back into the "virtues", as you put it, if those were the solution (or at least part of it)? Is it even possible in the dominant culture today, to "go back" if you will, to times when virtue was held in higher esteem? How would that look? "Revival??"

I personally wonder if we can ever "go home". Two massive wars were fought, back-to-back, and when it was over, Europe, the West, was no longer the same. Indeed, Europeans today are much more "post-Christian" than Americans, but then, Americans didn't have bombs falling on them in their own country either. The post-war European could take a walk, and literally see the remains of cathedrals that had stood for centuries, all around them. As they poked through the rubble of their past, it must have served as strong evidence that things could never be the same. And it never was the same.

This is our history. Maybe we can't go back, but certainly there are things we can do.

Or, is it hopeless? Or, is this something that will require drastic measures to resolve, especially considering the drastic situation in our history, that has led us to where we are now?

I don't think there are any easy answers, but I'd like to think there is still hope.

JR

reply to post by bluemirage5


human sacrifice???
You mean humans killing and sacrificing other humans??
Like a woman who SACRIFICES her unborn human baby on the altar of narcissism and the seven deadly sins?

a misspelled word is vastly different from a mirage made up illusion of a word like OMG and Geesez (sp)

vastly different is reality from the third of all USA children missing.
Vastly different from truth versus MIRAGE no matter what the color.


and if you want to discuss world abortion numbers, so far this year in the world there have been

87 million.

reply to post by slugger9787


Smarty pants...you can't burn the candle at both ends.

I don't give a crap about how many an unborn fetus is aborted when 150 million human lives are starving each and every day and the enormous number of kids in the USA under the age of 12 go to bed starving each and every night.

Are you going to feed them?

Answer: NO, why should I? They're not mine! Right?

Get your self rightous over zealous ignorant religious butt off your high horse and go feed a kid!

reply to post by JR MacBeth


JR

You're the only sane person left on this thread and I'm not ignoring you, I am reading your threads...

reply to post by bluemirage5


Mirage, I do donate food and money to food banks and for charities that feed hungry children.

Going to bed hunger is not the same as going to bed starving.

Unless one has an addiction to food, and everytime they have a hunger pang, or a feeling or emotion they do not like, they feed it food, hence the massive endogenous obesity in usa.

It is not a food production problem it is a food distribution problem.

How much of your income do you donate?

I do 10%. like it says in the bible.



your grasp of reality is tenuous at best and non existant at worst.

If you believe 1/3 of Amrican children are now missing?
What kind of damn fool statistic is that?

reply to post by bluemirage5


Again 800,000 repored missing plus 500,000 unreported missing totals 1.3 million per year in USA.

Over twety years that is now 26 million missing?

total minor population 2009 is 70 million.

Do you really believe one in every three children is missing in the USA?

reply to post by slugger9787


In regards to human sacrifice, I was meaning your saviour, whats his name of whom no God fearing Christian man or woman stepped forward to save his life for fear of their own lives. Seems cowardly to me.

So I should take your word for it? Perhaps you might throw in a couple of bucks here and there for charity like everyone else but 10%? Nah, don't believe you.

As for the stats, don't ask me, go ask the OJJDP.

If 800,000 kids in the USA are missing every year that does not mean 800,000 go missing every year.

reply to post by bluemirage5


then what does it mean? if 800000 kids go missing every year
it does not mean 800000 kids go missing every year.

what human sacrifice to God?

Where does is say he got human sacrifice?

The incas and aztec did a lot of this.

Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by bluemirage5

 

Again 800,000 repored missing plus 500,000 unreported missing totals 1.3 million per year in USA.

Over twety years that is now 26 million missing?

total minor population 2009 is 70 million.

Do you really believe one in every three children is missing in the USA?

edit on 15-9-2010 by slugger9787 because: added text

99% of them get found within one minute of them missing. Most of them went into the bathroom. There, you can stop debating now.

reply to post by bluemirage5


$200.00 per month
annual salary 30,000
$2400.00 per year, okay a little less than 10%.

I put my money where my mouth is, plus I also donate to pro life organizations.
ALL and Priests for Life.
Catholic Charities.
All three have very low overhead costs.

Priests and nuns work for basically room and board.