The NY Mosque Controversy. Summed Up In One Picture.

Originally posted by Mutant
Just a quick correction:

"Half the property for the 13-story center is owned by Consolidated Edison." So they don't own it.
See:
www.wtop.com...

No, but they own the long-term lease (expires in 2071) which includes the right to demolish and rebuild, and a purchase option that they plan to execute once ConEd gets the half of the property that is currently leased evaluated. The own/lease thing is a non-issue, just a practical curiosity of NYC real estate.

Originally posted by maybereal11
Watch it. I promise you can keep your opinions afterwards

from: www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 3-9-2010 by maybereal11]

question... are you going out 'stoning' tonight? how about bashing some gays?

to put it bluntly, that is your opinion, and sadly you are very uninformed.

Originally posted by technical difficulties

Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie

Originally posted by MrXYZ
the constitution, I challenge you how exactly not allowing people to build houses of worship doesn't violate the constitution. Good luck in explaining that one

You must be confusing me with another poster. I never said this wasn't legal.


How many times does this constitutional arguement have to be brought up. And how many times must the answer be said that what is legal and what is right to do are two totally different things.

I agree. Just as Muslims have the right to build a community center, you have the right to speak out against it. Sure, your reasoning for speaking out against it is, to put it bluntly, stupid, but still you are well within your right to say it.

Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie
Any religion that thinks women are second class citizens who have little or no rights is not something I want spreading here.

Really? The Islamic faith hardly has a monopoly on treating women as second-class citizens. The Bible is pretty replete with instructions on how to treat women as property.

Seriously, though, you do smell like a sockpuppet... account created today and apparently just to post in this thread. I'm nervous about saying that, because what I feel like saying is, "Sir, prove to me that you are not a sockpuppet." I'm not accusing you of being a sockpuppet, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of ATS'ers will feel that way.

reply to post by wakeUpOrDie


Nor is asking me to take Geert's wild statements as fact. You present his speech as scripture and demand we all take heed.

Lets get down to Brass Tacks here. Why are you getting so worked up over a Mosque?

HELLO!?!?! Did you fail to realize that this is AMERICA we are talking about here?

-We have 737 U.S. Military Bases WORLDWIDE.
-2,500,000 U.S. military personnel serving across the planet.
-313 Religions+ in the U.S. are practiced.
-Over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US
-Over 800,000 law enforcement personnel in the U.S.

And you cry babies are whining about some Mosque?

Invented Nukes? That would be the U.S.
Used Nukes? That would be the U.S.
Invented Airplanes? That would be the U.S.
Invented cars? That would be the U.S.
Invented Television? That would be the U.S.
Invented Computers? That would be the U.S.

Apparently you guys are forgetting who we are?

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am the baddest mofo in the Gd valley!

Cowboy/Cowgirl the heck up. You better recognize you in AMERICA now! If you are scared of a Mosque you best pack your bags and giddy up partner. Go drink tea and eat crumpets over in Europe.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Look up the definition of xenophobe. Wilder knows what he is talking about, he is not a stranger to Islam. His hatred of Islam is not because it is strange or foreign to him, but because he had came to know more about the belief system, he has realized how bad this belief system is.

It is like saying someone who hates Nazism, is a xenophobe.

That CARTOON is pretty deceptive of location. So how about a real picture:



One building over from Ground Zero....

reply to post by poet1b


No, Berty's trumped up rhetoric is because he fears himself. Weak men fear those that challenge their personal beliefs.

reply to post by poet1b


Any belief system based in organized religion is dangerous and bad for you. That goes for any of them including Christianity and Islam.

What he's talking about is the extremist side of Islam, the majority are moderates who don't subscribe to the 100% follow the Koran mentality.

It's safe to assume that if there are any Christians in this thread, most of them don't follow the Bible word for word.

You'd be no different than the Islamic Extremists that this gentleman is speaking about. His entire argument is fear mongering, because it gives the impression that ALL Muslims are like this.

That's simply false.

~Keeper

reply to post by johnny2127


Except that your map shows two huge buildings, each of which takes up an entire city block, between the WTC site and the proposed location for the Park51/Cordoba project.

reply to post by johnny2127


So, what about the mosque that has been there for years?

Where is that on the map?

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by debunky

 

Good thing people have stood up to these religions and other groups who desired to take over the world.

Right now it is Islam that is trying to conquer the world, and it is time for people to stop up the plate and defend themselves from this next totalitarian take over attempt.

I really don't care about his real estate problems.

3rd: Actually, I suggested that a strip club, or several strip clubs should be built in Mecca, and while they are at it, stop allowing marriage to 8 year olds now that is sick, some holy city. Too much to ask I guess. By the way, Mecca is much more comparable to Rome, not just the Vatican.

2nd: Where in the sam hill did that come into the equation?

But Rome is the capital of Italy, a (if highly catholic) secular western country. Mekka and Medina are not in a secular western country. The Vatican might be small, and inside Rome, but it is really a different world once you step outside of the city state. The Kaba in Mecca isn't a city state inside Saudi Arabia.

So let me get this straight: You think Saudi Arabia is doing it wrong. And to convince them, that that is the wrong way to do it, we should follow their example?

reply to post by tothetenthpower




You don't know anything about Muslim genocide in Africa?

Terrorism attacks in India, and the long war Islam has been fighting in India?

The brutal Muslim take over of Indonesia, and the aggression that still continues there?

Terrorism in Central Asia, the blowing up of a school with the children present?

The problems China is currently having with Muslims?

The problems Australia is currently having with Islam?

Look this stuff up, educate thyself.

Originally posted by idonotcollectstamps

Invented Computers? That would be the U.S.

Hey!
Zuse was a german!

reply to post by poet1b


So Islam is taking over the world and you'd prefer we all rule under Christianity. Is there room in your belief set to encompass all creeds and colours or just not in your country?

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Done that, please see my many post on the subject.

freedom of speech come to mind?

Where did I claim you don't have the right to voice your opinion? I haven't said that once!! All I said is that your opinion is dumb...that's not infringing your right to freedom of speech, it's just putting a label on your opinion.

You still haven't answered why don't think your demand to stop the mosque from being built doesn't violate the constitutionally guaranteed right of freedom of religion. I have a feeling you'll keep on dodging that question

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They dodge the questions because there is no logical answer and elections are just over two months away, so more flames of racism are yet to come.

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by maybereal11
Watch it. I promise you can keep your opinions afterwards

from: www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 3-9-2010 by maybereal11]

Excellent video!! Thx for posting

It shows exactly what's happening in the US atm.

reply to post by poet1b


Are you implying that a Billion people are exactly in the same mindset and have exactly the same interpretation of the Koran?

Or than even most of them do?

You have to be kidding right? Take a walk over to he religion board and watch all the Christians argue what the Bible "really" means.

You don't think that exists in Islam? On a large scale? Then you are the one who is misinformed.

I could go through recent history and give you plenty of examples of how Christianity has set the world back or has tried to "take over" certain parts of the world.

Let's see just off the top of my head, there's the Religious Group of Americans who went to Uganda to and convinced a country to start murdering gays again.

And the Pope also going to Africa and telling them to NOT use condoms as it would make AIDS worse.

See? I can pull up random events perpetrated by certain extremists in a group who pose as the majority in order to further my point.

~Keeper

[edit on 9/3/2010 by tothetenthpower]