20 Signs America Is No Longer Free

Originally posted by Erase
reply to post by 5MaveN5

 

There are plenty of ways to make a living without being taxed, I don't get taxed at my new job and I could seriously make a living off it if I wasn't busy with school.

Did not get taxed? Do you mean that your employer did not deduct the tax from your pay? I would think that you are still responsible to pay income taxes. I would suggest you talk to a CPA about possible taxes you might owe.

That GoogleAd thing is widely known to be a scam though, not sure why it's being talked about.

Honestly, as I stated earlier, I don't know the details on that. I was just kind of shocked that someone would be supportive of any additional tax and regulation. Particularly on a somewhat insignificant source of income.

I also have a question for you; The US Gov't has been tightening the noose since day one, are you sure this isn't just part of the gradual increase in Gov't power that has always been going on?

I completely agree, maybe my sarcasm was not clear.
Thanks for the thoughts.


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the nazi death camp punch card system was services by IBM.
and prescott bush was convicted of collaborating with nazis by the FBI.
we know the SS came here by the thousands
and went to work for the military industrial complex.
they assassinated JFK..anybody else in the way.
then the bush crime family takes off..
and now look at the shape we are in.
just like nazis, war and more war..
grinding the civilians to dirt.
watch a few old movies-
the quiet storm
the 49th parallel

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Nice reply Ofhuman but may I add to the education part. The education we get is totally controlled by TPTB. I just recently learned that the NEA or nationl education Association was started by the Rockefeller's. Where in the histroy books do you read about the Bushes, Dupont's, Rockefeller's and others being complicit with the Nazis. The German airplanes could not fly without standard oil additives. Ultimately they were all convicted of complicity with the enemy. None did prison time as Roosevelt was afraid that they would again crash the stock market.

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""""I began a reply to your post, but the numerous logical fallacies gave me a headache. There's no bible allowed in a court house because church and state are supposed to be separate, and a bible in a court house is a huge breach of that.""""

2nd Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It appears that the Second Amendment deals with the government setting up a religion not the practice of it anywhere.

Though the government does teach a religion the Belief of Evolution.

I'm not near as eloquent as most of you and I'll try to put my perspective on this subject in a simple way.

You can put corn in a field and get wild hogs to come eat it and they will get used to eating there everyday. Then one day you can put a small section of fence up near the corn and it goes unnoticed by the hogs. Then a little while later you can put up another section of fence and the hogs don't care about it either. The wild hogs get used to it and you can put up another section of fence and more of the hogs start to show up everyday. Then you can build a fence and leave only one opening and the hogs don't care as long as they get the corn, then you close the gate and the once wild hogs don't even know they've been trapped.

Our freedoms have not been taken away yet but the fence is closing in and most people don't realize it.

I would argue that America IS still free.

Essentially even though everyone is statistically likely to follow a given pattern on a day to day basis and rarely stray beyond the norm, There is free choice. Anyone can go crazy and do anything at any given moment.

So even in a place like North Korea, where the people are totally dominated, the individual could rise up and strike down his oppressor. People are only dominated by choice. If you choose to draw a line in the sand that you won't cross and fight to the death when that line is crossed, then the spirit of freedom can never be crushed.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent

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Nice Photoshop there. Here's one of the original images:

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Found here: blog.macroaxis.com...

17 camera's at every corner in the UK? hah. You people have no idea what is in store for you, they already Pre-Crime units in testing. This sounds like fantasy but it is not. I bet half of you don't know that When you enter certain cities in UK you are auto-tagged and checked in the database by cameras? I was almost hired for a similar test project for New York City. Can you find this information anywhere on the news? No. But, its fact.

I make my living in application development. Look this up for yourself, there are muscles in your face that react regardless of how you feel. There are camera's now that pick this up and generate a Psychological profile on that, and you can be arrested. Whether the police tells you or not, the cameras are there already? Do we really know what software is running them and what they alert? Why is there no public inquiry? hmmmmm...?

Honestly there is really not much we can do, as much as I and all want to. Even votes don't matter anymore. The "System" works like this, if the government can't win by votes, they'll use the Judicial Branch to DEFACTO enforce the law, bypassing the honest citizen majority. Its an out right f-ing crime.

- Citizen of Earth

[edit on 3-9-2010 by Stykes]

reply to post by ofhumandescent


i got one:

21 - Americans are not free because: No law abiding citizen can be abiding the law. no american lives long enough to learn the number of mandatory expectations (laws) that they must conform to in order to be a member of the American society.


OP, you are 58.

how many laws would i have to conform to in order to live in the house next to you? specifically, what are the number of laws?

if i can't live long enough to learn the number of laws, and i can't live long enough to learn all the laws, then i will never live long enough to know what freedom is.

does anyone really believe if we locked all the supreme court justices and all the senators up in one big plush hotel room with everything they needed, and all the pens and paper they needed, and did not let them out until they wrote down word for word all existing laws, that they would live long enough to finish the job and get out?

too many laws to learn, or even number? how about we pay more taxes to pay more people to make even more laws? that sounds sane!!!

friends don't tell friends that there are so many rules to the friendship that they can not live long enough to learn the rules of the friendship. this is not an example of how friends treat friends.

family does not tell family that there are so many rules to being a family member that they cannot possibly live long enough to learn all the rules required to be a member of the family. this is not how family treats family.

so, americans, if you ain't my friend, and you ain't my family, then what does that make you?

why not sit a bunch of 2 months old down and force them to play monopoly. every time they make a mistake, slap them in the face.
i know this isn't a fair analogy, since children in warzones are getting far more than just slapped in the face, in the name of spreading "freedom".

america,
your freedom is a lie.


[edit on 3-9-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]

Originally posted by Rede2go
I'm not near as eloquent as most of you and I'll try to put my perspective on this subject in a simple way.

You can put corn in a field and get wild hogs to come eat it and they will get used to eating there everyday. Then one day you can put a small section of fence up near the corn and it goes unnoticed by the hogs. Then a little while later you can put up another section of fence and the hogs don't care about it either. The wild hogs get used to it and you can put up another section of fence and more of the hogs start to show up everyday. Then you can build a fence and leave only one opening and the hogs don't care as long as they get the corn, then you close the gate and the once wild hogs don't even know they've been trapped.

Our freedoms have not been taken away yet but the fence is closing in and most people don't realize it.

Pretty clear to me.

This is a big hog lot, though.
Us pigs don't really know how many of us have tried to root under the fence.
We can't see into the smokehouse.
We don't know how many hams are already hung.

To ERASE
Apologies for the long response time. The business of life...

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Logical fallacies aren't dependent on the thinker's mind, they depend on whether the proof is valid and sound or not. There are established lines of reasoning that can be easily followed and applied from situation to situation.

I respectfully disagree. Logical order is simply a connection in a persons mind about what thing should follow another. To me, I go to work, I get paid, I take that paycheck and pay my bills, put some in savings, and indulge my hobbies or my family with the rest. To me, that's the logical order of my professional life. To others, who believe life is about fun above all else, would change that order. What is logical for me may not be logical for you. What is a fallacy for you may not be for me.

I'll take your word for the first three sentences, but I have a problem with the fourth. Unless I am mistaken, the taxes used to fund the construction of the courthouse are managed by the same people those being taxed put into power. Now that I look back on that, it seems that we're simply agreeing with each other. That paragraph as a whole was actually quite informative, thank you.

You're welcome. I cannot express the gratitude I felt at this show of respect or understanding. Not common on these forums, as you certainly know by now.

Do you believe that the requirement of a permit of sorts to drive a car is a violation as well?

I do not. In the list of Rights Endowed by Our Creator, there isn't one that says "The Right to Operate a Motor Vehicle". I'm not against permits altogether. I find them necessary and functional. But a permit to exercise a right that is yours by birth is ridiculous. You have to have a permit to exercise the Second amendment in public. Why not go all the way and have people carrying Free Speech permits? Arrest people who speak in public without one. Require a permit to practice your religion? That one would violate itself. The first amendment guarantees you the right to speak freely, assemble and practice your religion. Why would you require a permit for 1/3 of First Amendment and not all? IT would be outrageous to require a permit for speech or religion and it should be the exact same way for the right to assemble peaceably. Talk about a logical discrepancy

I have too many thoughts on this issue to put to text, but I'll try. Actually, I'd rather just ask you a question in case I say something uninformed; to what country is our level of understanding comical? Can you please provide an example of a country with that type of understanding? I am actually curious to see if one exists and functions properly.

As a person who has been abroad, I can tell you that what the American population is ignorant of is comical to most other countries. While are facts on history are generally correct, the order, consequences, and repercussions of our foreign policy over the last two centuries are woefully misunderstood by most. Those foreign to our soil have a different view of us that we are ignorant of. At least most of us. Sitting in a pub in Ireland, even I had to laugh along at the drunken stereotyping display of Americans. An example was one man stood up (making fun of me, of course), and said "Gimme a beer, pardner" Hearing such a statement with the Irish accent was at once charming and hilarious. THen another man says, "Just one?! You have the right to drink TWO!"... the banter played out until the bartender put a stop to one and the other fell over. We are always shouting up our Rights, saying how great we are and that we are the greatest and we come across as turds. And bless the world, most are at least somewhat amused by it, even if it pisses them off. It's amusing. Blind faith.

Thank you for being so patient with me, I didn't mean anything by the headache comment but I can see that it was irrelevant and unnecessary.

Again, I appreciate that. Now, there's a few things I'd like to ask you:

1. You're 20 years old. Yes, I read your other posts. Welcome to ATS btw I've tried to read through your opinions to understand at least a partial bit of your reasoning process. But I get hung on one thing.

You were eleven years old on 9/11. That has to have colored everything in your life. Since childhood, there have been Terrorists at large who want to do bad things to you and your family, and for nine years so many things have happened related to 9/11 that everything in your life is affected by it.

Could this be a place we get our differing opinions? I grew through childhood with relative freedom. We KNEW we'd never be attacked because no one in the world had the grapes to do it. I'd never considered that such insane laws would be passed and that so many rights would be trodden upon. But you? It's been like this half of your life...

We agree on the Taxes issue. But on other things, not so much. I believe the USA is still free because we can still change things. 1 man, 1 vote. As long as we have the ability to turn things around, we are still free. But we'll lose that ability sooner than people think if they don't start paying attention.

What other things could affect our opinions so differently? Experiences? Age is but a number. You lay our your opinions surprisingly clearly for one so young and I look forward to your contributions to ATS. I'm hoping to have a worthy debate or two

When you read the original post, what was your personal reaction to it? I was sickened to my core and partially amused at the lunacy of it. I then spent the whole day trying to figure out how to make all this stupidity end. I think I have it figured out, which I will make another thread on that no one will view or respond to lol

EDITed by Arrow:

An Edit from Eraser on my first post:
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I just read your piece on taxes, and I stopped when you insinuate some sort of connection between the case of England actually taxing the colonists without representation with our current system. Unbelievable.

Again, I fail to see the problem. Taxation without representation was one of the things that led to the rebellion. One of the biggest things. We have No Taxation Without Representation because of that. How is it unbelievable I'd reference it?

[edit on 3-9-2010 by Arrowmancer]

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


I starred your post because I thoroughly enjoyed the perspective. But there are bits that don't make sense to me.

If I'm not your friend and I'm not your family, what AM I to you? Your enemy? An acquaintance? You are skeptical of American freedom. So are we. You are skeptical of our government? Judgemental? So are we. Don't hold back, lay it on the line right here, right now. What would YOU do in our shoes?

We have less cameras than Brittain. We have armed police officers that criminals take VERY seriously. We have a bunch of laws, most of which we never think about because we'll never be in a position to break those laws. But at the end of the day, we know the difference between right and wrong and will defend a right action in the court, if necessary and probably win. Half of our laws are redundant. Most of them shouldn't even exist because they're so idiotic no one would believe there are really laws on it. For example, there is a law in California there is a law that you can't shoot any sort of game from a moving vehicle unless the target is a whale.

At the end of the day, our law is the Constitution. Any law passed that violates that is stricken down. Period.

Originally posted by General.Lee



I like an optimist as much as the next guy but you're seeing the glass as half-full. The problem is, it used to be full and our government has taken the other half. I'm going to touch on some of your noted "freedoms".

I like to use this analogy sometimes but I go a little deeper.

I'm a "realist", I just see the glass and the content within. What I see within the glass is the water slowly(or quickly) being poured out.

Blind optimists(half full types) are the ones that are going to suffer the most when things get really bad.

reply to post by Reign02

They create a jobless environment. Then start putting the screws to every other way of getting money. They don't want money to be available to us. Why? the only answer is the one no one wants to believe.

My step son was at the skateboard park the other day. He said it closed at 6:30, so I got there just a couple minutes early to pick him up. Right at six thirty an alarm went off over a loud speak placed on a pole. Bout 30 ft in the air.

Then immediatly after the alarm ended maybe 10 secs. This voice of authority goes ringing through the park." It is time to leave the premises. If you do not leave you are subject to arrest. The police have been notified and are on their way.

If you wish to avoid arrest? Please disperse immediatly."

Do you see the walls closing in?

- This was posted by randyvs at on ATS here: www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=9524793#pid9524793

The walls are slowly closing in, if enough people like you do not wake up in time we are all going to get smushed.


[edit on 4-9-2010 by ofhumandescent]

Now this is an excellent thread.
What the hell where was I? Can't believe I havn't been here to SnF this
puppy

You have it on the nose. You know that don't you?

It's going to be messy.

guyopitz

I would argue that America IS still free.

But to who's advantage would you be making that arguement for my friend?



[edit on 4-9-2010 by randyvs]

Originally posted by earthdude
The actual definition of the word free has changed. If anyone sees a free man in the US, he is immediately put in prison. Real freedom frightens Americans.

Reminds me of the line from Easy Rider. The sad thing is that the line is truer now than ever.

Oh, yeah, that's right. That's what's it's all about, all right. But talkin' about it and bein' it, that's two different things. I mean, it's real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. Of course, don't ever tell anybody that they're not free, 'cause then they're gonna get real busy killin' and maimin' to prove to you that they are. Oh, yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom. But they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em.

Real freedom disappeared decades ago. We all got lazy with comfortable jobs andlong weekends watching football on 36" tvs. We all let it slip away. They only question is what can we do?

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You in your wisdom have already answered your questions.

reply to post by Serizawa


Very wise post.

Thank you for you input..................we are the wiser for each person that really reads and digest your post.

reply to post by Wildmanimal


I did not vote this past election. I was in the hospital and used that as a good excuse.

Republican/Democrat = both sides to the exact same coin.

It's all planned out by TPTB. Our political voting is a sham.

We're all being hoodwinked.

Being made to think that our say so has meaning.

It's all planned out and orchestrated.

Sorry, that's my take on this. I believe there is so much more going on than what is being "reported".

reply to post by eLPresidente


Yes you are right.

Second line.