Christopher Hitchens on Glenn Beck's Rally

Originally posted by mothershipzeta
And you just read the headline, not the article itself. And then you commented on it as if you read the whole thing...but somehow only quoted the headline.

That's pretty ignorant.

And you are wrong .. spewing lies about me.
That's pretty ignorant right back atchya.

Originally posted by mothershipzeta
The black people were there to perform on stage, just like every other Tea Party minstrel show.

Putting down people with black skin who happen to think differently.
Yeah .. that's really making a lot of sense.

And he got the ONE MLK relative who hates gays and women having freedom of choice

1 - She doesn't 'hate gays'. She hates homosexuality. Which in her religion is a sin. Hate the 'sin' and love the sinner.

2 - She hates that women murder their pre-born children.

3 - Abortion is black genocide. www.blackgenocide.org...
Margaret Sanger hated black people.
Legalized abortion in this country is racist in nature and in it's origins.

Wow, so many weird questions

First of all, no one wants to take property rights from you...none of the 2 parties...so calm down

Also, no one wants to limit how much money you can earn as long as those salaries don't make you act negligent or in a criminal way just to boost them in the short term. The Wall Street bonus system was a major factor in the economic collapse, and affected all of us.

And what's that about the mosques and other houses of worship being build and you paying for them? Who ever said anything like that? FYI, I don't think any person should be forced to pay for houses of worship because this country guarantees us freedom from and of religion.

I totally disagree with corporations not paying their fair share in taxes. It's wrong, but BOTH parties are guilty of letting it happen. Look at who tried to "protect" Wall Street from the financial reform and who voted for what, and you'll realize the GOP is so far up the corporations' asses, their head sticks out on the other end. But in the end, both parties are by now fully run by lobbyists. That HAS to change, so I agree with that.

One reason why they let corporations get away with it is that corporations argue allowing them to do it, creates jobs...which obviously lowers the cost of unemployment in specific geographical locations. That makes perfect economic sense, but it doesn't make it right of course.

Oh, and the left doesn't want to own the corporations. They're not trying to make the US a communist country...if you believe otherwise, stop watching Beck who always takes things to extremes to make his laughable point.

It's funny how all the points you mentioned are either points neither party supports, or points BOTH parties are guilty of. But of course because "your" party blames the other one, and is supported by shills such as Beck, that can't possibly be true...right?

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by jibeho

God forbid people in this nation actually experience a much needed religious awakening during a moment in history when our "culture" is forever sliding down a slippery slope.

I disagree! We don't need some pseudo-televangelists! What we need are people who are RATIONAL, LOGICAL, and willing to accept reality and then work to fix things...rather than people who use faith to control the masses and use their illogical and irrational faith to justify whatever agenda they're pursuing.

If you want to believe in whatever, you have the RIGHT to do so. But when it comes to reality and real life, I want a realist, rationalist, and logical person who approach as problem scientifically rather than emotionally and based on faith.

If you want religion, go to church! This isn't a theocracy and faith and politics are an evil combination. Makes it waaaaaaay to easy to control the masses simply by tapping into their faith.

Is it logical to keep spending the way we are, is logical to allow the thieves to mind cash register....
it must be logical to continue to devalue the dollar...

If Glenn is saying anything political he is pointing out that we need to elect politician that have proven moral values not the corrupt bureaucracy in office already...whether they be DEMS or Repubs....but that not logical Right?

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Originally posted by duality90

Originally posted by jibeho
Just another reaching article from the esoteric academic elite. Desperate times...

Note the description/veiled insult of Beck as being "Quasi Educated"

Well, that should automatically disqualify anyone who is not part of the progressive liberal movement that has turned caustic in an effort to preserve themselves.

God forbid people in this nation actually experience a much needed religious awakening during a moment in history when our "culture" is forever sliding down a slippery slope.

Oh yeah and Hitchens is a leading proponent of the "new atheism" movement and he is trying to polish the image by pushing this as "antitheism" rather than atheism. Typical.



So, he also has an agenda eh??

A real religious awakening would teach the people of this country to stop supporting meddlesome foreign policy which directly contributes to the misery and suffering of untold thousands abroad and would also teach them the values of Christian humility and to "judge not, lest ye be judged".

Although I identify myself as a Christian, I see much of America as largely apostate, as they have taken the fundamental teachings of a religion and placed them in a box whose contents are only opened every Sunday and never in the week in between.

This "religious awakening" is frankly a load of complete cack which was devised by Glenn Beck and his cohorts as a means of galvanizing reaction from the Christian Right... honestly. How could one man arrogantly holding a rally in Washington, on the anniversary of an event that is sacrosanct in modern American history, possibly do anything to revitalize the moral fortitude of this nation?

Mr.Beck himself seems to be in bed with quite alot of the people who are poisoning the well of our morality, despite hiding behind their pseudo-morals. People are free to do as they please, I am not castigating politicians and others in the sphere of influence for their actions - merely for their attempts to hide them behind and justify them with the thin veneer of moral superiority.

Facts...whose he in bed with that is poisoning our morals? You need to watch if you in question, brother.

reply to post by mothershipzeta

Originally posted by mothershipzeta

Originally posted by duality90
This "religious awakening" is frankly a load of complete cack which was devised by Glenn Beck and his cohorts as a means of galvanizing reaction from the Christian Right... honestly. How could one man arrogantly holding a rally in Washington, on the anniversary of an event that is sacrosanct in modern American history, possibly do anything to revitalize the moral fortitude of this nation?

However, the idea of conservative and evangelical Christians looking to a Mormon for "religious awakening" is absolutely hilarious.

And the backlash has already begun:

Glenn Beck: the Mormon Wolf Preying on the Evangelical Sheep

Now the real problem comes in when Glenn Beck questions President Obama’s Christianity. As should be obvious from the above, if the Nicene Creed defines Christianity then Beck himself is no Christian, and is far from entitled to question the President’s religious credentials.

But that is exactly what Beck has been doing. Beck says of President Obama’s Christianity that it is a “perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ.”

This from a man who thinks the Holy Spirit had nothing to do with Jesus’ birth, who thinks Jesus was not even divine.

Most mainstream Christian would, I am sure, if aware of this, be aghast at Beck’s words.

I looked it up and saw this: The Mormon church views Jesus and Satan as spirit brothers and sons of God.

Oh, man. Grab your popcorn. This will be AWESOME.

Again if you watched him...you might have saw the episode where said he was raised catholic then later went mormonism because that is the church that made him feel most comfortable... he hold many beliefs that fall outside of the mormon doctrines...again that would be research, which i find lacking in his critics, he himslef said that..." you have figure out the gospel for yourself, that he wouldn't expect anyone to follow his patched togother view"......

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good post

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Look, when the crisis happened, whoever was in power had 2 choices:

1) Spend like a mofo and save companies so not more people loose their jobs. This route devalues the dollar, but saves jobs.
2) Don't intervene, and let companies die. This wouldn't have devalued the dollar, but would have resulted in unemployment figures far far faaar above the ones we have now. In effect, more people than now would be unemployed. A lot more.

You know, people always say "we should have let the banks and investment companies die"...and from an economically standpoint, I totally agree. HOWEVER, people don't realize how many other non-financial companies rely on those financial institutions. If they would have gone bust, so would they. That would have resulted in crazy unemployment.

Either way, BOTH presidents used bail outs!! It's not a left vs right thing!

The main problem aren't even the bail outs, the main problem is that no laws are in place to make sure it doesn't happen the again exactly the same way. Most of the laws that would have achieved that were killed off by GOP opposition. Just look at the votes! But that's just one case, I have no illusions that both parties are pretty much run by lobbyists by now.

Oh, and I challenge you to show me just one clip or text where Beck told people to vote democrate

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reply to post by mothershipzeta

Originally posted by mothershipzeta

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by ElijahWan

 

CSPAN - I saw faces of every color there. I saw a whole lotta' color on the stage. If it were a 'white pity party' then the niece of MLK wouldn't have given her speech ... black ministers wouldn't have been honored ... hispanic and native americans would have been left out ... MLK wouldn't have been honored as he was ... all the people of color who were there would have ran the other way instead of joining in and helping with the rally .... etc etc

Race had nothing to do with the rally. It's absurd to try to bring it in.

The black people were there to perform on stage, just like every other Tea Party minstrel show.

And he got the ONE MLK relative who hates gays and women having freedom of choice enough to go along with whomever will give her a platform. Alveda King is estranged from the rest of the family, was only 17 when he was martyred, and is on the opposite side of the political spectrum from him. She wants to judge people by their sexual preference rather than the content of their character. She was ONLY there because of her last name...and because she was black, of course.

She also claims that MLK was a Republican and that he was "pro-life," despite the fact that he won an award from Planned Parenthood in 1966. Oh, and she condemned Coretta Scott King's support for gay and abortion rights, because as MLK's niece she was obviously qualified to second-guess his widow.

She also said "She [Coretta] was married to him [Martin Luther King, Jr.]. I’ve got his DNA. She doesn’t. She didn’t. She’s passed away.” As if that makes her the inheritor of his legacy. Protip: nieces don't have the same DNA as their uncles anyway.

By your logic, if a liberal rally has Ron Reagan Jr. on stage that would mean President Reagan would approve, right?

I was watching the whole thing and i saw plenty on Non-White people there...don't be nuts...

again you didn't watch it did you?

just going by second hand knowledge?

How many times have told you about that?

reply to post by MrXYZ

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by tspark

 

Look, when the crisis happened, whoever was in power had 2 choices:

1) Spend like a mofo and save companies so not more people loose their jobs. This route devalues the dollar, but saves jobs.
2) Don't intervene, and let companies die. This wouldn't have devalued the dollar, but would have resulted in unemployment figures far far faaar above the ones we have now. In effect, more people than now would be unemployed. A lot more.

You know, people always say "we should have let the banks and investment companies die"...and from an economically standpoint, I totally agree. HOWEVER, people don't realize how many other non-financial companies rely on those financial institutions. If they would have gone bust, so would they. That would have resulted in crazy unemployment.

Either way, BOTH presidents used bail outs!! It's not a left vs right thing!

The main problem aren't even the bail outs, the main problem is that no laws are in place to make sure it doesn't happen the again exactly the same way. Most of the laws that would have achieved that were killed off by GOP opposition. Just look at the votes! But that's just one case, I have no illusions that both parties are pretty much run by lobbyists by now.

Oh, and I challenge you to show me just one clip or text where Beck told people to vote democrate

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But we HAD to change Health care right? and stimulus 1 2 3


here is a clip of Glenn denouncing repubs...

www.youtube.com...

says he would have voted hillary before McCain....

you really need to watch him...he says both parties are bAd





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Did you listen to the entire clip before posting that?

The only reason he said he'd vote for Hillary is because he KNOWS what troubles are coming during the time of the next president. The US is in a really #ty position economically and militarily and he knows that. And he was worried that if a republican would win, he'd get blamed and in the long term, the GOP would suffer. So it's better to let a "fall guy" democrat win and then come in like a white night once the crisis is over.

Number one cause for people loosing their housing...not being able to pay for health care!! Those are people are a HUGE cost burden. Most of Europe has healthcare like that, and last I checked they're not communists.

Just because Beck takes things to the extreme doesn't mean the health care bill is communism.

And yeah, sadly once they chose the bailout route, they had to follow up with more bail outs. It's like someone cutting off your leg, you can't just apply 1 plaster and it's fixed. You need bandages, antibiotics...

It's the same with the economy, 1 bailout wouldn't really have achieved anything.

Having said that, the bailouts are 100% useless now because every effort to regulate the financial industry more in an effective way was killed off under the "freedom" slogan. Problem is, it hurts the entire population in the long term.

Oh, and even though Beck said he'd vote democrat at the beginning of the video, he then promptly admits to voting for McCain in the end...better watch the videos you post before posting them mate

Let me guess, you saw the title of the video and thought "jackpot"...right? Stop only going with titles and slogans and start looking at facts!

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Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
Wow, MSZ, you sure have a lot of time to post everything you can about Beck.

Do you have any insights from yourself?

You know, like how much of my labor do you want? 25% 50% 75% 100%?

Tell me, do you believe a person should be allowed individual property rights?

Do you believe I should be limited in how much money I can earn?

Do you think it is my responsibility to pay for a mosque to be built? How bout a Catholic Church, a Jewish one, a Hindu, a Mormon?

Do you think that corporations should be allowed to own property and not have to pay taxes on their profits? You do know that not one corporation worth their salt in accounting, pays one dime do you not?

Funny how the leftists do not want to actually make the corporations devolve back into what they were meant to be created for, they want to take them over and STILL disallow individuals the RIGHTS to their LABOR, their PROPERTY, their LIFE, and their LIBERTY.

How would you feel about just a straight sales tax on everything, instead of the millions of myriad taxes that are placed on the individual? This would ELIMINATE the ability of ANYONE, including your supposed enemy the corporations from avoiding taxation. Funny how you peeps do NOT want change, YOU want POWER. Period.

You people make the giant want to puke.

Rose colored glasses and glass houses. Pffft.

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Ah, the classic "Everyone who doesn't support Beck and Palin are either socialists or communists"

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I live in Boise, we have HUGE Boise state games here, with people from all over the country, the OVERWHELMING number of people there are white.......does that mean its pro white? does that mean its racist?

Thats the kind of logic your using, that just because a majority of them werent black must mean that it was a white parade of kkk power.....

Seriously you peoples logic is so flawed im surprised you cant see it...

to the Second, You can attack a mans faith thats fine, i see you arent attacking his message or the peoples message at this rally, because there was NOTHING to attack.......

The message was good, and nothing can change that......not you, not the liberal left, not the people who will cry racist and call them angry white people or, Mormons who dont believe in Jesus or ANYTHING else...

There were people from all faiths on that stage, Imams, Rabbis, Priests, etc etc.......all talking about the same thing.....

So continue your character assassination and poking fun........thats fine.......no one cares...........because.......

YOU CANNOT FIND CHANGE THE MESSAGE! THE MESSAGE WAS GOOD!

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I really want to chime in on the whole "beck is a racist thing".

No, he really isn't. And I'm not particularly fond of Beck either. The gathering wasn't racist, the people for the most part likely aren't racists, and the meaning behind it isn't racist.

Calling Beck a racist is just like the boy crying wolf. And the ending may just well be the same.

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I NOTICED you did not answer ONE of my questions.

I get it. You do not want debate.

Typical.

Enough said. Debate over with you.

saltheart 1 hippo 0

NEXT!

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Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

I NOTICED you did not answer ONE of my questions.

I get it. You do not want debate.

Typical.

Enough said. Debate over with you.

saltheart 1 hippo 0

NEXT!

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Ah yes, you win, completely.
You weren't asking ME those questions, I just thought it was funny how whenever someone criticizes Beck, this is usually the rhetoric that comes out of his followers, they scream socialist or communist at anyone that doesn't agree with Becks views.

Debates are easy when you can declare yourself a winner, especially when it's with someone that you aren't debating with.

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Beck is an idiot.
His viewers are desperate bigots clinging to the old testament, rocking back and forth in a dark corner chanting anti-gay phrases in tongues.

What is there to debate?

They'll be on VH1's "Where are they now" in 10 years anyways

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You keep saying idiot bigots..........provide me ONE thing at this rally that was bigoted.........

Ill hold my breath

Originally posted by dillweed
As a longtime follower of Mr. Beck it's obvious how few of the comments are from people that have actually watched him or listened to him for any lenghth of time. This man is not a 'nut'. Do not underestimate him.

oh, it's not him i underestimate, it's the american people that buy into his garbage that i'm afraid of.
all of these right-wingers, and tea-party joiners should read mein kampf...it's the playbook of hitlers game plan for the people of germany.
it outlines the very real use of propaganda, on supposedly intellingent people.

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Why does it have to be just at THIS rally? Do i really, seriously, and honestly need to provide a list of things that Beck & his followers have done & said to show that they're bigots?

*Sigh*

Teach a man to fish........Why is Glenn Beck a bigot?

Read, learn, repeat, and enjoy.