ATS Is On Facebook

reply to post by greeneyedleo


was this level of oposition aticipated by the staff ?
does us being conspiracy nuts make us harder to deal with lol
i guess the best thing about this site is that all are free on this site to post opinion even in opposition to expansion
i hope there is no hard feelings around about this face/trace book thing as the discution is almost as good as the ufo threads

all points of veiw are catered for

xploder

reply to post by mr-lizard


Well I understand your reasons for you not joining.
But if others want to join - that is their perogative. I believe everyone is grown up enough to decide for themselves if they want to be part or not.

If one wants to sign up with FB they give as much information as they want or they give as little as they want......just like what is done HERE. You do not want to reveal your real name or location or talk about what you had for dinner - dont. I certainly do not. I personally am not one to have my real name all over the net. I work hard and do searches on myself all the time to ensure this. MY FB account is not linked to my real life AT ALL. Its very easy to do So, im not paranoid about having my greeneyedleo ATS FB account.

I'm not on Facebook, but to me it seems to have gotten a LOT of bad press lately. I just don't see why ATS would (in my eyes) "lower" itself to jump on FB.
I understand and realize that ATS is knee deep in controversy, but it is controversy about conspiracies and truth finding--not the less than positve controversy around FB lately.

Does ATS really need more members that bad? Am I just not seeing this correctly?

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

was this level of oposition aticipated by the staff ?
does us being conspiracy nuts make us harder to deal with lol
i guess the best thing about this site is that all are free on this site to post opinion even in opposition to expansion
i hope there is no hard feelings around about this face/trace book thing as the discution is almost as good as the ufo threads

all points of veiw are catered for

xploder

I never have hard feelings for people who have differing opinions than me. Even my best friend and I can greatly disagree on a number of things

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes

The threads, and the threads' content, would be trashed and diluted by the sheer number of people posting on them.


Excuse the conspiracy theorist in me, but I foresee a flood of traffic to the board, and an ''exclusive'' set of forums, that can be accessed by either ''privileged'' members, or those members that are willing to cough up a subscription...

Yes, diluted, watered down, muddled And certainly I could foresee an increased membership to R.A.T.S.
(Good time to consider R.A.T.S. for a real $$ subscription service site???)

I perceive this as merely a marketing move. It seems to me that this is an affront to the erstwhile lofty ideals that ATS once held. A gut response to the gritty reality of the new realm of Internet information exchange and revenue-per-hit self preservation.

Yep, a couple of kids came up with FB and are now very wealthy. We all wish to come up with the "next big thing". Meanwhile, in some garage somewhere, some "kid" is working on web3.5. This too shall pass. Will ATS be better for it? who the hell knows!

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

If one wants to sign up with FB they give as much information as they want or they give as little as they want......just like what is done HERE. You do not want to reveal your real name or location or talk about what you had for dinner - dont. I certainly do not. I personally am not one to have my real name all over the net. I work hard and do searches on myself all the time to ensure this. MY FB account is not linked to my real life AT ALL. Its very easy to do

So, im not paranoid about having my greeneyedleo ATS FB account.

That's fine and i respect that, but not everyone is as careful as you. Incidentally you don't need to say anything but you can still be associated and marginalised and pigeon holed by a few clicks of your mouse.

Just read the dozens upon dozens of stories of people being 'connected' to other people that facebook couldn't possibly have figured out without some clever piece of software. EVEN when trying to stay anonymous.

See page 11 of this thread for more info.

reply to post by greeneyedleo



Are you stating here that ATS ownership/management/staff are ignorant of the distrust in which Facebook is held by the general public ?

Are you stating here that ATS ownership/management/staff --- all members of a site that describes itself as a 'conspiracy site' which actively claims to encourage its members to deny ignorance

--- are themselves ignorant of people's distrust of Facebook and of the ongoing discussions online and elsewhere about the perceived untrustworthiness of Facebook ?

reply to post by mr-lizard


Oh I know and you are right. Fortunately - or is it unfortunately - for me, my username is used by a zillion people out there Even some dude on ratemybody uses my username I only use it for ATS related things (ATS, BTS ATS: twitter/FB), btw

But I know many are not as careful as me.....so I do get it

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

Are you stating here that ATS ownership/management/staff are ignorant of the distrust in which Facebook is held by the general public ?

Are you stating here that ATS ownership/management/staff --- all members of a site that describes itself as a 'conspiracy site' which actively claims to encourage its members to deny ignorance

--- are themselves ignorant of people's distrust of Facebook and of the ongoing discussions online and elsewhere about the perceived untrustworthiness of Facebook ?

I never made those statements

But I am stating that I believe most members who chose to use FB and chose to "like" the ATS page are adults who make their own decisions And everyone has a choice to use it or dont

reply to post by greeneyedleo


i guess your attitude is perfect for being a mod then and if friends had to agree on everything they would be married

xploder

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

But I know many are not as careful as me.....so I do get it

Thankyou, i appreciate your honest reply

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Incidentally, has anyone read this yet?

jacobmorse.blogspot.com...

Take, for example, Jim Breyer, manager of Accel's Investment Team, and the guy working most closely with Facebook. Breyer is the former chair of the National Venture Capital Association (NVAC), where he served with Gilman Louie, CEO of In-Q-Tel. In-Q-Tel is a venture capital firm established by the Central Intelligence Agency in 1999. This firm works in various aspects of information technology and intelligence, particularly in "tools for the rapid deployment of distributed, economical data collection networks. Systems that are self-organizing or that provide tools for the aggregation and management of data from large numbers..." and other items "of interest to the CIA."

www.iqt.org...

and

www.grailwerk.com...

The markup language allows data that has long been locked in isolated databases, known in the industry as silos, to be translated into a kind of universal language that can be read and used by many different systems. Information made compatible in this way can be shared among thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, of computers in ways that all of them can understand.

It is XML, a refinement of the Internet's original World Wide Web scheme, that has made it possible to consider welding thousands of databases together without centralizing the information. Computer scientists said that without such new third-generation Web technologies, it would have never been possible to conceive of the Total Information Awareness system, which is intended to ferret out the suspicious intentions of a handful of potential terrorists from the humdrum everyday electronic comings and goings of millions of average Americans.

Just read the dozens upon dozens of stories of people being 'connected' to other people that facebook couldn't possibly have figured out without some clever piece of software. EVEN when trying to stay anonymous.

See page 11 of this thread for more info.

People have been scratching their heads for a long time about how Facebook connects people who have been careful enough to use false names and details on Facebook

They've been scratching their heads about how Facebook manages (unsolicited, we might add) to connect them to people they have never contacted via Facebook


To put this in perspective, imagine you buy a brand-new cell/mobile phone. You do not put any personal details into it. You are not connected to a provider. Instead, you buy pre-paids.

You do not enter any person's name into that phone.

That phone should be virgin. Further, it should be un-trackable to you

So there you are. You've moved to a new city. You've told no-one. You've contacted no-one. You're travelling under a made-up name. Your phone is empty

Then it rings. And it says, ' Hi there Bill (which just happens to bre your real name, even though no-one's supposed to know that)

' Hi there, Bill. Would you like us to put you in touch with that girl you had a one-night stand with five years ago ? How about the guy you used to drink with when you worked at Acme, 2 years ago ? Or how about the company which used to do your dry cleaning when you lived in Blogtown six and a half months ago ' ?


That's what Facebook can and does do


That's right. You have no secrets. You have no-where to go. Somehow, you're being tracked, even though you're travelling under a false name in a new town

Who's watching you ? Who's tracking you down ? How are they doing it ? WHY are they doing it ?


Feeling secure ?

And how do you feel when your up-until-now favoured conspiracy site joins forces with those who want you to know that they know everything about you ?

Conspiracy in itself, isn't it ?



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[edit on 24-8-2010 by Dock9]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

Are you stating here that ATS ownership/management/staff are ignorant of the distrust in which Facebook is held by the general public ?

Are you stating here that ATS ownership/management/staff --- all members of a site that describes itself as a 'conspiracy site' which actively claims to encourage its members to deny ignorance

--- are themselves ignorant of people's distrust of Facebook and of the ongoing discussions online and elsewhere about the perceived untrustworthiness of Facebook ?

I never made those statements

But I am stating that I believe most members who chose to use FB and chose to "like" the ATS page are adults who make their own decisions

And everyone has a choice to use it or dont

But what you're posting isn't news, is it ?

It's you wishing to be seen to be supporting the merge with FB

Surely you appreciate it sounds just like public apple-polishing ?



When I post directly to you in response to your posts

I expect straight answers

not an ATS advertisement by someone clearly intent on looking good before the boss

If you don't want or don't have the courage to provide straight answers

then it would be better if you said nothing. Rather than continue to post what you might believe are clever, smart evasions repeatedly


You have said that you can see no reason why any ATS staff would object to this site (which bills itself as a 'conspiracy site' which 'denies ignorance') merging with one of THE most reviled and distrusted sites online and moreover a site which itself is the basis for thousands of conspiracy-discussion online

And you say you know of no reason any ATS staff member would oppose or have reservations about the contradictory merging of those two site

which indicates -- clearly --- that you have no knowledge or interest in conspiracies yourself

and believe that the staff of the ATS 'conspiracy site' have no interest either


That's what you're saying




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[edit on 24-8-2010 by Dock9]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

Oh I know and you are right. Fortunately - or is it unfortunately

- for me, my username is used by a zillion people out there

Even some dude on ratemybody uses my username

I only use it for ATS related things (ATS, BTS ATS: twitter/FB), btw

But I know many are not as careful as me.....so I do get it

Dear sweet green eyed girl! it's not about usernames anymore!

As soon as you make your FB account you agree to have ALL your data and personal information 'tranferred' to the US - you're basically signing away your God given and legal rights over your own 'Persona' to a CIA funded private Corporation, voluntarily.

And not only you are affected, many people around you in real life who are connected with your 'persona' can be affected as well by something similar which I would like to describe as a digital version of the "transferred intent" doctrine.

Don't you understand that your whole computer and all of your information and your behavioural pattern will be traced and analysed by super advanced & sophisticated software tools and programs developed by Darpa for the old Information Awareness Office, which are now in service through (TIA)

That's why people all of a sudden can be connected with others who are not even on Facebook - they dig deep in your computer and analyse EVERYTHING about you! Then they compile this information in enormous databases and super computers which scans their objects on the Net 24/7 - and as soon as you click your keyboard and do something new on the net, it gets reported and sent back for analysis by their super computers.

Their programs and brilliant logarithms & sophisticated software tools are made especially to be searching for behavioural patterns about you and other people who you may interact and take contact with both in real life (email about meetings etc) and on the Net and then connect all the dots on the fly through an automated process.

If something gets flagged and selected, it will be further analysed manually by specialists.

These tools were made from the beginning to hunt down very bad and naughty evil doers. And one of their main goal was to catalogue every citizen in the United States, and many others in the world as well!

And usernames - meh, it doesn't matter anymore!

It's not as innocent as you think it is my friend!

[edit on 25-8-2010 by Chevalerous]

Oh, I suspect we're not supposed to know that !


And I suspect the faux-ignorance of certain people who should know better --- is simply a pose



And a Ps: edit:

It's the 'evil doers' who're in there, analysing and collating everything about us. There's nothing benign or harmless about this.

Remember the 20 to 40 millions of Russians who were murdered ?

Incomprehensible number, isn't it ? But it happened

And it was made possible even back in the day when they were using card-files. Yes, old card files that still exist over there, in museums open to the public

Now, if they could murder 20 to 40 million back then, with their primive methods

imagine how many could be murdered today, given the technology they possess (see above)


So when you see agencies with unlimited funding creating 'social networking sites' in order to merge those sites with other sites, on and on and for the purpose of tracking multi-millions of people on ongoing basis --- you have to ask yourself about the reasons

Why are billions being spent connecting this person with six others ?

The multiply that by hundreds of millions of people, around the clock - requiring unimaginable technology and armies of workers


you really do need to ask yourself why


And a lot of people having been asking that question -- and doing their best to scrub their online trail - beginning with Facebook



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[edit on 24-8-2010 by Dock9]

Originally posted by XPLodER
was this level of oposition aticipated by the staff ?

Hrm... 12-15 vocal people that are obstinate regarding a forward-looking position related to a new site initiate... it's about normal.

No matter what we do to "push the ball in a forward direction," there will be those that resist moving forward. We've been dealing with it for seven years while we've been moving forward.

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
Does ATS really need more members that bad? Am I just not seeing this correctly?

As has been stated, repeatedly, ad-nauseam, we never expect to receive new members from Facebook.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Very sorry you had to repeat yourself. Silly me didn't want to read 13 pages of Facebook talk.


Figures out of the three posts I made in this thread the one that had a rhetorical question in it is the only one that gets the (snarky) answer.



[edit on 24/8/2010 by Chamberf=6]

I would like to point out another avenue
that hasn't been explored yet on this thread.

Has anyone considered that ATS or Bill might be
doing this under duress. If he is presented with
a National Security Letter or Directive, what
choice would he have? It would also explain
why this move is happening in spite of all
the security warnings about FB.

IS ATS HIJACKED ????

well this is a conspiracy site

Of course Bill would not be able to tell
anybody about this so likely chances
he would come on the thread and deny it.
But it is a thought

Originally posted by boondock-saint
Has anyone considered that ATS or Bill might be
doing this under duress.

Ridiculous.

Please people, get a grip.