Target Iran: The real reason behind the bullseye pegged on Iran

reply to post by gravitational


So, the USA can spend trillions of dollars with weapons (you can include WMD there) and a country like Iran can't? I don't understand this kind of mentality.

Do the math: in how many wars was the USA involved since the the beggining of the 20th century? And Iran? How many people USA has killed in wars? And Iran? Of course the Iranian government sentences a lot of people to death every year, and that's horrible, but the USA it's not far away from this "dictatorship".

I know that the Iranian government it's not the best in the world. Far from it. But i don't think that the USA government is better than Iran.

Originally posted by malachi777
As a proud AMERICAN citizen, I am here to tell all of you how disgusted I am with your jealous, ignorant, know it all rants against the United States of America!!! My country is not perfect but it is fact that we are the most powerful country in the world, we are proud of our accomplishments, especially for being an infant country. Because of our freedoms, beliefs, military might and compassion, America has been a savior to many countries around the globe. Yes, we have made mistakes and I feel the attack on Iraq was a mistake, but without the US, you know this world would be a living hell. It is hate such as yours that makes us such a powerful country. We keep updating our military technologies to defend our people from you fools. I am sick and tired of my government trying to fight fair, which has drastically extended our wars because there are so many rules of combat. An American soldier cannot fire back at the enemy if there are innocent bystanders in the way. If we unleashed our power, no holds barred, the United States would quickly destroy the enemy. I am not being cocky or arrogant, I am being factual. The most important point is the fact that the United States of America has given and given trillions in aid and money to numerous countries, offer free medical care around the globe, saving people with surgery at no cost, sacrificed its people to save others etc...and all we get is your ignorant, jealous rants. God Bless America and although I am deeply offended, God Bless the ignorant fools and teach them that the United States is a country with good intentions for the people of this unforgiving world.

Glad you have passion.

It would be a nice story if you were right.

reply to post by malachi777


Your government killed 70.000 to 80.000 people instantly in WW2. And did it again 3 days later. Do i really need to say something else?

You should think about that a little before going on some reckless patriot posting.

The USA have indeed helped thousands of people around the world, but that doesn't erase the huge mistakes from the past.

I agree that this may be the most likely reason for war in both Iran and Iraq.
But one thing I don't get it is that why would the whole eurozone be willing to support US in its quest to stop the oil exchange for euros?! Could someone please explain.

reply to post by BetweenLines


Europe would not benefit if the market changed over to their currency, not directly anyway. All it would really do, is knock the USD out of supremacy and since the economis of the EU and the US are tied together, a fall of the dollar would be a fall of the euro, opening up a vaccuum in the international commodities market. It would allow a plethora of currencies to prevail.

Furthermore, the whole system is designed for the USD to be the international standard for commodities and to retain that supremacy. Even Europe counts on this. The mechanics behind this are very complex (for the details), though sound and to really understand it, you not only have to understand international economics, but also geo-politics as it pertains to economics. I'm not an economist so I have a hard time explaining the small details, though I certainly understand it and can explain enough to make it make sense.

If the USD gets knocked out of its supremacy role as the standard for international commodities, the empire as we know it, couldn't sustain itself and Europe, believe it or not, benefits greatly from the American empire. They are part of our empire, almost an equal, if not a complete equal with the US.

--airspoon

[edit on 24-8-2010 by airspoon]

I am starting to get super excited... It wont be long , our troops will find all of the religious freaks from Iran hiding in an underground bunker.
(Thats where dirty rodents hide when being chased)

The middle east is going to be the start of WW3 ... because it is filled with Violent religious freaks!!

I myself cant wait... I believe the only way peace will be achieved is for WW3 to wake up the world.. Imagine where we would be if all Militaries were not needed.. Imagine if we could work together as a planet... Instead of a bunch of countries..

We would already be on other planets by now.. War is awfull.... But sometimes it is necessary..

From Airspoon:
Of course, I could be wrong, but I am almost certain that it will play out this way. In fact, I would be willing to bet money on it. Also, IMO, it's not if Iran comes under attack, it's when Iran comes under attack. It would have to be a miracle for Iran to get out of the cross-hairs unscathed.

Airspoon, that little snippet hit me like a ton of bricks. It would take a major, MAJOR hostile act to get Americans to instantly shift everyones views to attacking Iran. Short of a continental nuclear strike, instead I believe the president would be assasinated by someone who is immediately distinguished/identified as an agent of Iran. That would elicit an immediate response from the US. Of course the whole affair would reek of false-flag!
This would explain all the mystery surrounding our current commander in chief.
That would definitely ignite World War 3.

S & F for you, Kind Sir!

reply to post by Mobius1974


We could all be safe if we allowed government to put us all in cages. In fact, Hitler's view of the world would have made it "safe" for everyone left too, had it succeeded.

On another note, their are religious extremists everywhere, to include the US. In fact, every Abrahamic religion has them. It just so happens that Islamic regions are more threatened with war, turning the people into religious nuts.

If the roles were reversed and they were Christians in the same predicament, nothing would be different as they would only be Christian extremists. The reason you don't see the religious nuts here in America doing suicide bombings, is because they are not threatened or living through war here. Even with the relative peace here in America, you still get the nut or two sending bombs into clinics or other establishments.

I gurentee that if you cut off the midwest and oppressed them by taking away their rights and their resources or imposing foreign control that was indifferent to their plight, within one or two generations, you would have the same extremism expressing itself through actions.

--airspoon

reply to post by airspoon


here in this video Scott Horton at the University of California, Riverside, he calmly and confidently debunks the accusations against Iran.



Iran Propaganda Debunked in Under Seven Minutes

[edit on 24-8-2010 by Prof. Twister]

reply to post by airspoon


No, it is IRAN'S OIL.. America should bugger off..!! Here we go again, America picking fights because it wants what someone else has!!

Put the world through more pain so America can keep control... THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS HAD ENOUGH AMERICA..!!
It's done for American greed and greed only. Like the article says... American companies can manipulate the market as they see fit due to the US dollar. Well America is broke, Iran is smart by moving to the Euro. Having a single country currency as a world benchmark is CRAZY... The world is now waking up to that, and what happens then... Well America don't like it and finds ways to overthrough our country for their own good. Ha.. maybe the war on Terror should start in Washington... Not the Middle-East...!! Or maybe America need to lose the rod up it's butt... Namely Israel

reply to post by airspoon


No, it is IRAN'S OIL.. America should bugger off..!! Here we go again, America picking fights because it wants what someone else has!!

Put the world through more pain so America can keep control... THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS HAD ENOUGH AMERICA..!!
It's done for American greed and greed only. Like the article says... American companies can manipulate the market as they see fit due to the US dollar. Well America is broke, Iran is smart by moving to the Euro. Having a single country currency as a world benchmark is CRAZY... The world is now waking up to that, and what happens then... Well America don't like it and finds ways to overthrough your country for their own good. Ha.. maybe the war on Terror should start in Washington... Not the Middle-East...!! Or maybe America need to lose the rod up it's butt... Namely Israel

[edit on 24/8/10 by andronaconda]

reply to post by Mobius1974


America is full of voilent religious freaks pal... NOT IRAN...
America is full of nuts!! World History proves that..!! How many nut cases have come out of America? Classic how you don't see it..!! Reading your responce sums up how people around the world currently feel about America. You need to travel around mate and you'll see it yourself. The one country that is holding the world back from moving forward into more peacefull times is AMERICA... Wake up and smell what your shovelling!!

reply to post by Mobius1974


America is full of violent religious freaks pal... NOT IRAN...
America is full of nuts!! World History proves that..!! How many nut cases have come out of America? Classic how you don't see it..!! Reading your responce sums up how people around the world currently feel about America. You need to travel around mate and you'll see it yourself. The one country that is holding the world back from moving forward into more peacefull times is AMERICA... Wake up and smell what your shovelling!!

reply to post by Mobius1974


America is full of violent religious freaks pal... NOT IRAN...
America is full of nuts!! World History proves that..!! How many nut cases have come out of America? Classic how you don't see it..!! Reading your responce sums up how people around the world currently feel about America. You need to travel around mate and you'll see it yourself. The one country that is holding the world back from moving forward into more peacefull times is AMERICA... Wake up and smell what your shovelling!!

reply to post by andronaconda

What absolute garbage. Perhaps you should just sit down and remain silent for saying such ridiculous crap.

Iran is an Islamic republic and its constitution mandates that the official religion of Iran is Islam (see: Islam in Iran) and the Twelver Ja'fari school. The constitution also mandates that other Islamic schools be accorded full respect, and that their followers are free to act in accordance with their own jurisprudence in performing their religious rites and recognizes Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian Iranians as religious minorities.

Complaints about religious freedom in Iran revolve around the persecution of the Bahá'í Faith, unequal rights of non-Muslim religions, and the forbidding of conversion from Islam to other religions.

The Bahá'í Faith, Iran's largest non-Islamic religious minority, is not recognized and is persecuted.[7] There have been reports of imprisonment, harassment, intimidation, discrimination, and murder based on religious beliefs.[73]

Hudud statutes grant different punishments to Muslims and non-Muslims for the same crime. In the case of adultery, for example, a Muslim man who is convicted of committing adultery with a Muslim woman receives 100 lashes; the sentence for a non-Muslim man convicted of adultery with a Muslim woman is death.[74] In 2004, inequality of "blood money" (diyeh) was eliminated, and the amount paid by a perpetrator for the death or wounding a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian man, was made the same as that for a Muslim. However, the International Religious Freedom Report reports that Baha'is were not included in the provision and their blood is considered Mobah, (i.e. it can be spilled with impunity).[11]

Freedom to convert from Islam to another religion (apostasy), is prohibited and may be punishable by death. Article 23 of the constitution states, "the investigation of individuals' beliefs is forbidden, and no one may be molested or taken to task simply for holding a certain belief." But another article, 167, gives judges the discretion "to deliver his judgment on the basis of authoritative Islamic sources and authentic fatwa (rulings issued by qualified clerical jurists)." The founder of the Islamic Republic, Islamic cleric Ruhollah Khomeini, who was a grand Ayatollah, ruled "that the penalty for conversion from Islam, or apostasy, is death."

That's just for starters.

And exactly how will this hypothetical war come about? The US is doing everything it can to close up shop in Iraq, and Afghanistan will be much the same by election times in 2012. If Obama has any inkling in him to get reelected, he'll have to follow through with a withdrawal from Afghanistan, regardless of the ground situation. I expect Karzai is going to get alot of blame dumped on his lap.

So, were theorizing the intentions of a major invasion of a nation with a population larger than Iraq and Afghanistan combined. The logistics of getting such an invasion in force would be readily apparent to everyone globally, so we'd have to assume that we'd have international approval, or at least UN backing.
The American people would not stomach another war, especially one that would be the size of an invasion of Iran....at least not for another 10-15 years.

This doesn't add up. The US won't have to invade Iran, their own youth and younger generations will see to their upheaval.

Originally posted by Canslli
I know that the Iranian government it's not the best in the world. Far from it. But i don't think that the USA government is better than Iran.

It’s not that they are better or worst it that we disagree on things and America is the 800 pound gorilla, and a country like Iran can only talk about the things they wish they can do where America can actually do what they talk about.

If they were the 800 pound gorilla the world over there would look much different.


[edit on 24-8-2010 by Xtrozero]

I'm not disagreeing with Airspoon, but if the world market wanted another currency besides the dollar, it would have happened before now. And when or if we have a double dip recession or depression, those world leaders will come running to the USA for help.
Iran's leader is an idiot himself, running his mouth all the time. The latest missle display to the world this last week, is a joke, won.t last 10 minutes in a real contest.
Obama could have disfused this rheteroic if he was not incompetent. The only thing Obama can do is read from a telepromtor, A very bad mistake, the people of the USA electing the most incompetent president ever in our history. Then when elected he talks transparency, but seals all his past records. What a joke, but the good ole USA citizens are good hearted, but sometimes really stupid by voting for a community organizer. I thought presidents had to be honorable men, high courage, military, business men. goverors, OOPS not the last election.
Many common sense people see the Iranian leader as to the likings of Hitler. The blue print is there. People around the world today are as il-lightened as those people in Engalnd, France, Poland, Holland,etc. right before world war II. They were blind to the future war about to bestow upon them. Do any of us see in Iran a slight resemblence to the 1930's.
General Eisenhower told his photographers to take as many picture and film as they had to show the atrosities of the Holocast. His remarks were, " The future generations will not believe this, so take as many photos as you can to show this horror". For someone to deny the holocast, they must be fromanother planet or just a downright ignorant person, but they may have other motives also.
Iran already has the bomb, that is one of the reasons Isreal did not attack. The North Koreans supplied them. Iran because of their clumsey words, false intentions, and the show they are putting on, will suffer a "first strike". And then through their ignorance will retaliate with nuclear weapons that they have bought secretly from North Korea. Remember a couple of months ago when the NOrth Korean ship suddenly return to port in order not to be searched. Add 2 & 2 see what you come up with.
Many of these post on this thread is propoganda. As an american, don't fall into thie thought processes, if yo have to go outside and get some fresh air, come back in and see if you really believe what you are reading.
All this Nuclear stuff with Iran is so eassy to stop. As former President Reagan said, "Trust by verify." So simple. If Iran is haidng some they will contiune on the dangerous path they are trodding, if they are not hiding anythis, "Turst but Verify."
And don't compare Andrew Jackson with Iran or Muslems. He first of all had respect for women. Jackson was a hands on leader, he got onto the battlefield with his Military. I slao, think most of and all Americans should believe with him concerning his anti-banking policies. You do know the Federal Reserve Charter is up Dec. 21, 2012, What does that mean?
The former Impeached President Clinton had no ideal how to stop the NOrth Koreans from making a nuclear bomb, no does the incompetent President Obama know how to stop Iran.
Always think about what your reading, never read a piece and believe it or let it change your core principles. Always question Authority. Look where AUTHORITY has got the whole world.
Do not Think there may be a war between North and SOuth KOrea. Do not think a third world was is impossible. Do not think GOD will not let it happen. There are real sins and there are real consequences.
In closing, We need to secure our borders. I do not think the Obama administration of this Congress will ever apologise to the American Public for what they are now doing. Look around see for yourself how these two entites are "BLEEDING AMERICA TO DEATH".

reply to post by andronaconda


That is getting old.. Please inform me how we are reaping oil benefits from iraq and Afghanistan?

Dont use the currency crap... That is neither proven or logical!

I could give 2 flips about Iran/Irsrael, and hope that entire area is the next war... But I live in fantasy land... I want everyone to stay out of it...

Let the israelis take care of themselves. I am so dilusional, I think Israel can take out Lebanon/Syria/Iran all at once.. WITHOUT Nuclear weapons..
Knock my opinion all you want, it is only my opinion.

That entire area has been conditioned to be a violence/fear based society. To quote one of the best actors of all time. "This Town (Middle East) Needs An Enema!"

I am one of those weirdos that think a future 1 world Govt. will be great. Of course it has to happen naturally, because forcing it will never work ....

grab a leftie - a 1/2 barrel - some snacks - patrol the net for news and or video .

If Iran doesn't want to get bombed, and radioactive, reactor contents of their nuclear programme, blown over their country; then it shouldn't be deliberately trying to add to the economic problems of the American people-government!!!
That outcome, is only going to increase, Western government’s need to keep people distracted, and a major war would not doubt only stimulate the U.S economy, and but also the minds of the people.
The only major "obstacle is people war, weariness. However the government proved over Iraq the lengths it will go to, in order to create any propaganda that justifies its economic war-theories.