Target Iran: The real reason behind the bullseye pegged on Iran

reply to post by TrueAmerican


that didn't stop america from attacking iraq. the real reason israel hasn't attacked iran 1. it has no chance of success, iranian air defenses would shoot down f-15's and f-16's by the dozen (1970's tech.) with state of the art 21st century SAM's. 2. if israel had stealth tech. like the f-117 and the b-2 bomber these strikes would have happened along time ago. 3. they are waiting on the timetable being set out. freeing american resources from iraq is just one step towards the inevitable ground offensive needed to occupy iran if they chose to do so. 3. theres no point to attacking iran, it has not broken any international laws and are building nuclear reactors with the frame work iaea rules.

reply to post by Xtrozero

Has Israel invaded and expanded their lands? When France and the Brits split up all that area into the countries we see today the Jews ended up fighting five (newly created) Arab states that invaded their territory

Your information is wrong, as it was Israel who struck first, even against the wishes of the US. It is Israel who pulled a "Pearl Harbor" on Egypt. Of course, Israel claimed afterwords that it was preemptive, though officials within the government would later contradict their OS, saying that Israel had no intelligence to suggest that war with Egypt was imminent. Israel was the both the instigator and aggressor.

I had a post on one of these threads that was very well researched, detailed and backed up with sound sources, to include statements from both American and Israeli officials on the matter. It also tied into the whole USS Liberty issue (though I don't believe the thread was on the Liberty). I'll try to find it and post a link to it.

As far as Iran, they have not been aggressive and in fact, the last time they fought a war, was against Iraq and they were neither the aggressors, nor the instigators.

--airspoon

[edit on 23-8-2010 by airspoon]

reply to post by randomname


I have no doubts that Israel can successfully strike Iran and although it won't be as easy as Iraq, it wouldn't be like trying to hit Russia, the US, the UK or even China. Their tech isn't that good and their air force isn't capable of matching the F-15, nor their air defenses capable of countering the F-18/16. If Israeli fighter/bombers fly low and at night, they could easily hit whatever target they want, while keeping losses low. However, their goal wouldn't be only to knock out a few targets, rather they are looking for regime change. Because of this, they will need and want much more than just a night raid.

I believe the only thing they are waiting for, is for US resources to be freed from Iraq, as you stated.

--airspoon

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by CanadianDream420

 

Many people believe Iran is being targeted for the oil but it isn't Iran's oil, so much as it is the world's oil and how it relates to the dollar.

--airspoon

You are correct, the US needs everybody to stay on the dollar page for oil. Because if they think they can buy oil in other currencies including theirs, then they don't need dollars anymore. The only reason they have dollars is because so many needs them for purchasing oil. Without the dollar hegemony, we couldn't support the 300 million of our country in the lifestyle that we have had. Also we couldn't support our massive military being all over the world. Also people buy our debt via recycling the dollars into Treasuries and other US debt securities, if they didn't have dollars they couldn't fund the US state. Then the quality of life in the US would go down exponentially. We as a nation need this ponzi scheme to continue, because if it doesn't we would be a failed state and would crumble from the inside.

reply to post by Thepreye


--Thanks! I've been noticing a coincidental pattern in Hollywood that I'm sure others have as well. It's a fact that our military/industrial complex has its tendrils deep in movies and TV. Further, at some higher level, the elitists do as well.

--For instance, from 9/11 through the 2003 invasion of Iraq, as a theatrical "prelude" to the invasion, several movies had major themes concerning power and responsibility.

1. Lord of the Rings: in one of the first two movies, Gandalf tells Frodo that we cannot choose the times we live in, but that we can choose what we do during those times (something to that effect). It's a good theme. It also places that kernel of a though in the back of someone's mind. Then, when exposed to the 'weapons of mass destruction' mindset pre-invasion, someone puts that thought with what needs to be done concerning Iraq. It's not 100%, but it works on a subliminal level with the weak minded or simply unknowing, unsuspecting.

2. Spiderman (2002): "With great power comes great responsibility." Peter took no action and the burglar escaped, ---resulting in his very uncle being murdered. The theme here is that to not get involved *elsewhere* -crime hits home. This fit in perfectly with the pre-invasion catch-phrase "We don't want to have a smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud." Of course, I do think Parker's uncle had been shot.

3. Pearl Harbor had been made just before 9/11, and released almost a year after 9/11. There were many newscasters who directly compared 9/11 to Pearl Harbor. A line from Alec Baldwin, just before the Doolittle Raid (something like): "I know we're going to win. You wanna know why? Because there is nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer." Of course, Michael Bay gets 100% support from the military when he makes a film. Our country's military is 100% a volunteer force. 2 + 2. Plus, a major theme about this Pearl Harbor was not just the attacks on Pearl Harbor, but *taking the fight back to the enemy.*

4. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Okay, the title was created many decades ago by a deceased author (J.R.R. Tolkien). BUT, the timing of the movie and its release date are striking. STRIKING. Again, a major theme is "The turning of the tide." Innocent, profound theme all in and of itself... except for the sheer enormity of the timing.

5. Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones: This is the opposite of the other movies. This movie chronicles a republic being DRAGGED INTO A WAR by hidden powers. The movie ends on a somber note as squadrons of Republic Cruisers load up troops and fly off to war that no one (save the Sith) wants.

Items 1-4 subtly promote responsibility, volunteerism, bringing the fight to the enemy and deciding what to do in "our times." Think of the target audience for these movies. Mix into the cauldron main stream media reporting WMD in Iraq.

Item 5 (Lucas's movie) chronicles a republic slipping, mysteriously, into war. At least someone is out there trying to warn us, but as you can see, he is desperately outnumbered.

Is all of this coincidence? Perhaps. But I believe that COINCIDENCE IS A GLIMPSE INTO A PATTERN OTHERWISE HIDDEN.

Now, the task is to see what is being sprinkled into current movies, current TV and current MSM concerning Iran.

Iran...being defended....laughable.

I was pretty set to not post here anymore, but read this and wanted to say this in passing -

Spoon, again you amaze me. This is the most well researched, well written, and detailed article I've seen in ages. I really like your ability to focus on the facts of the matter rather than drift off into speculative nonsense and crazy what-ifs. This is spot on, man.

The OP should be required reading for anyone interested in real current events (in the face of Tiger Woods, Lohan, Lebron, NY Trade Center Mosques, etc.) Thanks for this thread.

I hope that in hindsight, we don't have to say "I told you so" and point to this thread, and those with a similar plot... over a pile of bodies. If it ever comes to that (which I'm almost certain, it will), it will be only by deceit and subversion that it's obtained. The chessmen have long been in position and the game is about to be called. All we need is a "reason". I'm pretty sure by now we all know what "reason" "means".

Best of luck, broski.

Originally posted by airspoon

Has Israel invaded and expanded their lands? When France and the Brits split up all that area into the countries we see today the Jews ended up fighting five (newly created) Arab states that invaded their territory

I disagree that in the 40s it was Israel doing a preemptive attack since they were the one invaded, well unless they attacked 5 countries at once.

Yes, in 1967 the six day war was preemptive and Jordan and Egypt are doing find with Israel now.

So, do you think that if Iran was a peaceful nation Israel today would strike them?

As far as Iran, they have not been aggressive and in fact, the last time they fought a war, was against Iraq and they were neither the aggressors, nor the instigators.

Well the Iraq/Iran war was the reason we supported Iraq at the time. Iran would have walked all over Iraq without our help. (of course it bit us in the ass years later like it always seems to do) but anyhow back then a big portion of Iraq would be Iran today if we didn't help even the odds.

The bottom line is Israel today is a threat to no one unless Israel feels that their life existence is threaten. To be honest, other than maybe Pakistan and India going at it, there isn’t a country in the Middle East that should be threaten by anyone other than the threat they help to create and feed.

So answer my question, if Iran was different in they either ignored other nations or befriended them would they have a care in the world of any other nation attacking them?




[edit on 24-8-2010 by Xtrozero]

Iran is not an aggressor? Now, that is laughable. Makes me wonder as to the accuracy of the rest your research.

Who is the one supplying weapons to Hamas? Who is the one controlling, training, and arming Hizballa in Lebanon? Who is the one, that in each and every speech is calling for the destruction of Israel (“regime” if you like laundromat of words), and is a known holocaust denier that spread his hate to the masses. Most Israeli Jews declare themselves as Zionists. The head crackpot leader is calling for the destruction of the Zionist entity.

As was said before, Iran could have chosen to live peacefully with the rest of the world.
Instead, Iran and it's lunatics leaders have chosen the path of collision, both rhetorically and arming it self to the teeth (with 70's technology) at the expense of it's people who's majority live in poverty and oppression.

Israel was given a sate where no Arab state existed before. Arabs attacked Israel. Arabs lost. These are the facts. Get over it.
Second line.

I couldn't care less if you are Jewish, Irish or a Visigoth. I see a growing trend of self hating Jews all the time, in an attempt to be likable by others, even if it means making stupid excuses for the Iranians actions. Spare me the self righteousness. The USS Liberty card you pulled, shows a lot of who you really are.

reply to post by gravitational


Iran was also a big reason why we been in Iraq so many years trying to stabilize the country. They are truly a puppet master in the Middle East. I don’t blame them or fault them for all countries have agendas, but thinking Israel would want to go to war as the aggressor just isn’t in the cards. They are what 80 miles by 20? Come on guys….

Originally posted by gravitational
Who is the one supplying weapons to Hamas? Who is the one controlling, training, and arming Hizballa in Lebanon?

Hizballah is a paramilitary organization that plays large role in Lebanese politics. They run hospitals, schools, etc. and bolster the Lebanese military since that government doesn't have the funding to defend itself against stronger economical offenders.

Some reading for you:

www.harpers.org...

Who is the one, that in each and every speech is calling for the destruction of Israel (“regime” if you like laundromat of words), and is a known holocaust denier that spread his hate to the masses.

This has already been addressed, feel free to read the thread.

Most Israeli Jews declare themselves as Zionists.

Have a citation or are you just making stuff up?

As was said before, Iran could have chosen to live peacefully with the rest of the world.
Instead, Iran and it's lunatics leaders have chosen the path of collision, both rhetorically and arming it self to the teeth (with 70's technology) at the expense of it's people who's majority live in poverty and oppression.

When is the last time Iran started a war?

I also take it that since you are against arming ones self you are anti 2nd Amendment? My purchasing of a firearm for self defense, even though it can be used to rob a bank, does not give anyone the right to lock me up in anticipation of a crime. You are a proponent for Thought-Crime/Pre-Crime?

EDIT TO ADD: There are also people in America who live in 3rd world conditions with out access to health care, clean water, and electricity. Does this give a foreign nation the right to invade America?

Israel was given a sate where no Arab state existed before. Arabs attacked Israel. Arabs lost. These are the facts. Get over it.

Sounds similar to America creating a state in the New World where no other state existed before... Those people where subsequently attacked by those initial residents... Who was the aggressor there, white settlers or native peoples?

I couldn't care less if you are Jewish, Irish or a Visigoth. I see a growing trend of self hating Jews all the time, in an attempt to be likable by others, even if it means making stupid excuses for the Iranians actions. Spare me the self righteousness. The USS Liberty card you pulled, shows a lot of who you really are.

And what actions has Iran taken? I'm not asking you to re-quote words I am asking what actual action the state of Iran has taken against Israel. I would like a citation for this as well as I believe you are just making up even more "facts".

[edit on 24-8-2010 by AdAbsurdum]

How convenient of you to quote only parts that goes hand in hand with your beliefs.

Why haven't you quoted this for example?

“Much of the funding for the social and medical infrastructure is raised domestically, but Hezbollah also receives significant subsidies from Iran. The amounts are often estimated at $100 million a year, but, in fact, they vary widely, depending on the political climate in Iran. A significant portion of Iranian support is for Hezbollah’s militia wing. Several of the Hezbollah-sponsored societies are actually branches of Iranian organizations or were initially created by Iran. “

Now, how would you react if Venezuela was funding, training and arming a military force in the USA?
The humanitarian aid, schools etc' is nothing more than a means to win the hearts and minds of the Lebanese people, which BTW unlike you, I know very well and the majority are just plain simple peaceful people. Unfortunately, they are always caught in a political game. Be it Syria, Phatah, Druze, Iran and others.

So, you asked when was the last time Iran started a war? It doesn't have to. Not directly.
It uses a proxy named Hizballa.

Iran you are so eager to defend, during Iraq-Iran war sent thousands of children to storm the Iraqi troops. Those children were all given a key. A key to heaven they were told. What kind of a sick mind does that I ask you? I know of Hitler's youth that were at least given weapons.
Funny thing, Hizballa adopted Nazi's salute. I wonder where they got that Idea from.

Regarding “who owns the land”, please start your research by watching this:

www.youtube.com...

I find it hilarious that many of you condemn Israel for not obeying UN resolutions, yet you forget Israel was established after UN agreed to the partition plan of the land. It was the Arab population and Arab states who rejected the plan and started a war against Israel.
Guess what? They lost. Case closed.

Originally posted by gravitational
How convenient of you to quote only parts that goes hand in hand with your beliefs.

Why haven't you quoted this for example?

“Much of the funding for the social and medical infrastructure is raised domestically, but Hezbollah also receives significant subsidies from Iran. The amounts are often estimated at $100 million a year, but, in fact, they vary widely, depending on the political climate in Iran. A significant portion of Iranian support is for Hezbollah’s militia wing. Several of the Hezbollah-sponsored societies are actually branches of Iranian organizations or were initially created by Iran. “

I do not hand pick, thank you very much. If I did I wouldn't have linked to an article that stated Iran funded them. I didn't quote it because you already stated it and, IMO, is a well known fact. You can also take note that I did not challenge your statement asking for a citation. Why didn't you mention the schools, hospitals, etc?

Now, how would you react if Venezuela was funding, training and arming a military force in the USA?
The humanitarian aid, schools etc' is nothing more than a means to win the hearts and minds of the Lebanese people, which BTW unlike you, I know very well and the majority are just plain simple peaceful people. Unfortunately, they are always caught in a political game. Be it Syria, Phatah, Druze, Iran and others.

I couldn't care less. You have a right to do what ever you like in this country as long as it does not violate my rights. Also, how do you know so much about me? I could be Lebanese for all you know...

So, you asked when was the last time Iran started a war? It doesn't have to. Not directly.
It uses a proxy named Hizballa.

That doesn't answer my question. When was the last time Iran started a war? You also have not answered the rest of the questions I asked you, why are you dodging them?

Iran you are so eager to defend, during Iraq-Iran war sent thousands of children to storm the Iraqi troops. Those children were all given a key. A key to heaven they were told. What kind of a sick mind does that I ask you? I know of Hitler's youth that were at least given weapons.
Funny thing, Hizballa adopted Nazi's salute. I wonder where they got that Idea from.

How is this relevant to anything I said?

I find it hilarious that many of you condemn Israel for not obeying UN resolutions, yet you forget Israel was established after UN agreed to the partition plan of the land. It was the Arab population and Arab states who rejected the plan and started a war against Israel.
Guess what? They lost. Case closed.

You are so evasive. Nice strawman, btw.

How about instead trying to prove to yourself you are correct in your thinking you actually have this discussion with me. After all, if you are correct, what are you afraid of?

Now, I have asked for citations, where are they? Or is your thinking based on propaganda you are parroting in hopes I'll go away with my facts and logic? I've called you out, put your money where your mouth is.


[edit on 24-8-2010 by AdAbsurdum]

Things will occur as they have been decided to! We can write, talk or scream, nothing will change. If the WW3 was decided to start than no matter what, it will start!