Target Iran: The real reason behind the bullseye pegged on Iran

Great work Airspoon, you've hit the nail bang on the head. I saw some of those vids years ago and couldn't understand why more people cuoldn't see through the WMD propaganda to see what was truely behind the Iraq invasion.

www.infowars.com...

And this -
"A successful Iranian bourse will solidify the petroeuro as an alternative oil transaction currency, and thereby end the petrodollar's hegemonic status as the monopoly oil currency. Therefore, a graduated approach is needed to avoid precipitous U.S. economic dislocations."

"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous... Having said that, all options are on the table."
-- George W. Bush, February 2005

From here- www.globalresearch.ca...

Well done

I find it amost laughable, if it were not so sad.

Bush and the Neo-cons were so worried that any move away from the USD would sink our economy that they went to war and assured our economic doom themselves.

Yea, yea. I know, we are still calling for all the blame to be put on Bush.

So, I guess this time we put the blame on Obama, if or when a war starts.

Then we can all tell who was right, because it will be easy to count who is left!

reply to post by malachi777


I have been reading posts on these forums for quite some time and have yet to find one which would seem to put down or demonize the American people or the American service men and women.

All this negative talk which you seem to think is hate or hateful toward the US, is in my opinion, are rather the results of dislike and distain toward the leaders of the US government.

Two completely different entities.

Most of the people of the rest of the world will tell you how much the like and trust the people of the US. They will also tell you how much they dislike those who we continue to elect as our leaders. They don't understand how we continue to do so , time after time after time.

It would be wise for us, as Americans, to take heed of this and start looking for better leaders.

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The government depends on the MSM to spread disinfo about this and that,and then it depends on the "knee jerk" reaction of ignorant people who believe everything they hear on the "news".

Unfortunately,the U.S. Government does pay attention to public opinion when it serves their purposes,and ignores it when it does not .

As far as nukes go,Iran is within their rights to generate nuclear fuel for powering their reactors to generate electricity,they are not in violation of any international laws,but the MSM keeps spouting off about them being intent on producing nukes.

Silly people believe Iran is a threat to world peace,like world peace has ever existed anyway.......

Another angle to view this from is:
---If you are surrounded by weapon wielding people you don't trust,it would be best to arm yourself.---

Thinking in this perspective,one could come to the conclusion that getting nukes out of the picture would make the world safer,so concentrate effort on removing them from the inventories of those who have them,instead of picking on a nation that doesn't yet.

The only weapon Iran has is the oil bourse,similar to how Iraq was treated when they refused to deal oil based on the petrodollar...

The chickens are coming home to roost...

S&F- I obviously can't be sure that this is the exact reason, but I believe its on the right track.

From time to time I take a look around the MSM sites such as Faux News and I wan't to pull my hair out when they make every single article out to be that Iran is building nukes and plans to use them. Then looking at the polls all of the right wing nut jobs have voted on and 80-90% agree that we should strike Iran.

Iran followed international protocol in declaring that they plan to use a nuclear reactor in the future and they were crucified by it. You can bet that Israel complained to daddy (US) and thats why it became such a big deal.

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The blame rest squarely upon the shoulders of the Clinton Administration.

Anyone who does not understand why may want to look up the legislation "Glass-Steagall",and try to understand the reason for it's implementation,and the reason it was rescinded.

It will become abundantly clear why we are where we are ,and how we ended up here.

Airspoon, you are a credit to your species homeboy.

I have been researching in my off-time the economic factors that would provoke an attack on Iran, but your compilation of data, information and sources is top-notch. While most people sit here and spout off insane theories, you have constructed and presented us with what is the most likely reason for an attack on Iran. Thanks dude, I am definitely going to be reading up on this for the next couple weeks. S+F muh dude.

At first I thought this was another Debkafile thingy, but a simple Google I found out this was researched on the net and its actually an old issue.

SnF (after my own research)
Iran oil bourse will make Iran the next power player. Now it is clear why US want Iran plan disrupted, USD will lose its value if this go on.
The Iranian Oil Bourse will hasten the speed with which major oil countries dump the dollar for the euro; thus hastening the collapse of the US economy. - India media said it on 2008!

USA - want USD to remain the main currency but the currency is almost "Amerigo".
Israel want to remove its threat.
EU - No wonder they are silence during the Bushehr, Iran bourse accepting their money too.
UK - The only one on a fence here, "old friend" vs "same me from grace".
China Coop - Surely love the Euro.

This is what make me SnF the thread.
Nice research airspoon.

Here some more leads that I found and both kinda old news/prophecy which now makes sense.
Iran: The Oil Bourse, The Fall of the Dollar, and the Third Great War
India commentary analysis on 2008

Gotta keep shorting the USD wahahaha

Iran is the young people who live there. And they follow the West -- BMW, the Gap, Pepsi, etc.

Iran is to a large part, young people.

My guess is, there will be no attack by Israel or the USA on Iran. We will wait them out and let the young people work on their leaders.

Great job with everything!

The only thing that perplexes me is this;

(Iran to convert 45 billion euros into dollars, gold: report)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

*EDIT*
If Iran wants to trade oil and other commodities with the euro instead of the dollar then why are they getting rid of all of their euros for dollars?


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Nice try but I'm not buying it at all.

First off, this is nothing new. However you are presenting old material from 2004 like it is brand new. The first paragraph from 2004 in your original post is from the Global Research site (perhaps ripped off from other sites since it seems to be someone's quote, which sends up red flags instantly.)

The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target:

In fact the Iranian oil trading Bourse already opened in 2008, two years ago and I don't think it affected the dollar that much at all.

As stated by other posters I don't think the US cares which currency Iran prefers to trade their oil with.

Although Iran produces a heck of a lot of crude, it equates to about 5% of the total worldwide crude production.

Iran is OPEC’s second-largest producer after Saudi Arabia. In 2008, Iran produced approximately 4.2 million barrels of oil per day (bbl/d) of total liquids, of which roughly 3.9 million bbl/d was crude oil, equal to about 5 percent of global production

I think the real reason for attacking Iran has more to do with the strong Israeli lobby and influence on American politics. Israel is getting nervous from the service and wants to make sure we have their back when they take out Iran's nuclear assets.

Not to jump off topic, but it is suspected in various intel organizations most notably MI6 believe that Iran already possesses nuclear weapons, probably acquired from Russia or China. The British PM already stated this, although he probably retracted the statement shortly after this blunder.

We gotta be careful here, realize there is a lot going on behind the scenes.

Also from a personal perspective, we may not be perfect, but Iran's gov't is barbaric in how they treat their people ... women in particular. To allow honor killings of women who haven't done a thing. To let people be stoned to death. These people are very religious, and would love to bring the 12th imam out of that well... the only way to do this is to start armageddon.

While the leaders are religious zealouts, the people hate their gov't. Most are pro western and want to see them gone as much as you or I for their radical style of governing. Its a really bad situation.

So this basically throws MAD out the window, when your advesary does not use the same logic you use. As in, maybe their leaders are crazy enough not to care if all of Iran glows green and is turned into a huge radioactive parking lot... That is the price they seem willing to pay... in their mind they would have done a glorious thing to bring about the 12 imam (or is it 13th?), they would see theirselves as muslim saints if Israel was wiped off the map.

This is the opposite of the Iraq situation, where Saddam was much more predictable due to the simple fact he was secular and not a religious radical. Predicting religous radical behavior is not easy in the fact decisions made are not always logical. And when you combine this fact with the same radical mullahs having the bomb makes for a sticky situation.

I'm not advocating attacking any nation pre-emtively. But ask anyone in the region, especially Saudi Arabia... A nuclear Iran is NOT a stablizing force.


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I've met more US cits than most folk in my country, my uni had a large "American studies" dept so there were about 300 yanks around most of the time on exchanges, tbh I liked most of them dated two, some of the boys were a bit weird, very excitable, I suppose the drinking at 18 might have been a factor.

I've dealt with a few yanks on ebay all been good except for one who refused to sell me the Ka bar I'd won for £17 inc post, I on the whole like Americans. I've got nowt against the cits but the elite are carrying on with a program that might have seemed correct in 1890 but is wrong now.

In fact I feel sorry for the average cit of the USA, fed crap food, crap information drugged to the eyeballs or denied health care, have you seen how many foreclosures have happened in Europe, or how our education compares.

Disagreeing with your elite does not equate to hating yanks or their country, as regards living in hell without the USA most in South America, Africa and Asia already do.

The biggest reason that Iran has a target painted on it by the US media, is that the Iranian Government still has control of their money supply, free of any central bank interference. There is no need for the Iranian Government to borrow money from a central bank in order to function, and hence, the big banking interests such as the Rothchilds and Bilderberg group can not enslave Iran with debt the way they have with the rest of the world.

Which other countries don't have central banks? North Korea, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Cuba, and until recently, Iraq and Afghanistan (Iraq's central bank was setup since the US led invasion and Afghanistans was only just recently setup after the US ousted the Taliban Government).

See any sort of pattern here? hmm.....

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Lets hope so, you are probably right about the changes in the Iranian mindset over the next 20/40 years, not such a long time to wait less than my life span so far.

reply to post by insideNSA


If you would have actually read the OP, you would see that I mentioned the exact date that the IOB came online. Furthermore, the only thing C&P was the very first paragraph, which is in tags and sourced at the bottom, oh and the statement made by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

As far as sources being old, some are and some aren't, however they are all valid. What are you expecting, all the sources from this year? That's a little ignorant, don't you think? When you actually research something, sometimes you have to look through sources and archives several years back, especially seeing how Iran has been planning the IOB since at least 2004.

Moving along, if you actually understood the presentation, you would know that Iran's crude productions matters little as it pertains to the information here. Iran is not copying Iraq, to where they are only exporting crude in alternative currencies. Rather, Iran has created a whole new commodities market, to compete with the supremacy of the west, ruled by the USD.

To understand the magnitude of this situation, you have to understand economics, as it pertains to monetary policy. Any crack in the dike of US supremacy on commodities and more importantly, USD supremacy on commodities, threatens the whole dam with collapse.

It is clear from your response, that you neither read or understood the OP, since your arguments are based entirely on lack of understanding and plain old ignorance.

--airspoon

reply to post by babybunnies

The biggest reason that Iran has a target painted on it by the US media, is that the Iranian Government still has control of their money supply, free of any central bank interference.

That statement is not accurate, as Iran does have a central banking system and it's called The Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran or CBI.

Although your statement may not be accurate, your premise is, as it ties in to the premise of this thread. It has very deep connections with the reason why the fall of the USD from international commodities would hurt the iron claw of the western central banking cabal, while wrestling power away from them. With that being said, I'll digress because of the level of complexity related.

--airspoon

Rather, Iran has created a whole new commodities market, to compete with the supremacy of the west, ruled by the USD.

Last time I checked the Euro is a western currency. So how is creating a commodities market that uses a western currency going to compete with the supremacy of the west?

yes, i understand that they created a commodities market to compete. It has been around since 2008 and the bottom still hasn't fallen out of the dollar yet.

when the title and first supporting paragraph is from material from 6 years ago you have to wonder how accurate that data still is. times are a changin' as they say and somtimes things written just weeks or a month ago is no longer valid. its a fast paced world out there.

for ex. further down the article goes on to say Iran would probably be attacked in 2005, before the market opened. well that didn't happen, the market opened and the dollar is still doing ok.

To understand the magnitude of this situation, you have to understand economics, as it pertains to monetary policy.

True, but you should really not depend on questionable sources like Global Research.com. There is a lot going on behind the scenes that you aren't privy to. So basing a claim on dated material which only covers 1 aspect of the situation at hand from questionable sources raises red flags.

Also if you understood that our economic policy is trying to prop up the euro! Much of the stimulus money went oversees to European banks in order to keep the euro afloat. The euro is in serious trouble.

In fact I could argue that the Americans have no problem with Iran trading in Euros right now. They are probably for it, the euro needs as much help as it can get right now. Europe sinking is not in our interest.

Moving along, if you actually understood the presentation, you would know that Iran's crude productions matters little as it pertains to the information here

I disagree as the main purpose of this market is to trade IRANIAN OIL.




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reply to post by airspoon

Andrew Jackson, a True American Hero

In looking at the even bigger picture, as well as what the future holds for each and every one of us Americans.

By the simple acts of the Iranians in claiming independence from the Powers That Be, who own everything as well as each and every one of us Americans.

The Iranians, in their actions in claiming independence are also stalling the entire World Domination Plan or better known as the New World Order.

Now as far as this thread being considered Anti American ?

To the contrary, Andrew Jackson would have sided with the Iranians.

Why ?

Andrew Jackson was fighting tooth and nail against EXACTLY what we have today which is a Non Constitutional system of Government , an Oligarchy, dictated and controlled by the Banks.

Israel being founded and subsequently owned by the Banks, namely The owners of the worlds central banks, The Rothschilds.

The Israelis are merely in working for their masters, the Banksters, attempting to silence and eliminate their owner's competition.

For the wealthy Bankers Having cornered the world's Oil and Commodity Markets since their inception.

Even though one might not see Iran as having something in common with the fundamental Ideals that Andrew Jackson was fighting for.

In actuality they are in essence exactly the same.

For those of you who think that we are Anti American, please research Andrew Jackson's vendetta against the First and Second Banks of The United States, the predecessor to today's Federal Reserve Bank.

As well as who received the majority of the 2008 bailouts....

The Banks accepted Billions in tax dollars, But is our economy and most American's finances any better for it ?

But Are the Bankers any richer for it ? You Bet they are ~!

The reason might be that the Euro's future isn't looking well. Most european countries are in serious debt to one another. as one economists said last week 'the euro is a dead currency'. I forgot who, but maybe Iran sees the writing on the wall as well and is going away from the euro for now.

Hopefully Europe as well as the US rebounds from this mess. But with the present bought off by the banksters leadership... our chances don't look promising.

Originally posted by tooo many pills
Great job with everything!

The only thing that perplexes me is this;

(Iran to convert 45 billion euros into dollars, gold: report)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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reply to post by airspoon


Well I'm glad I decided to read your post after all. The first paragraph turned me off though after reading further, it is obvious that your information is mostly correct.

Iran Is about a currency war though the international banksters are behind this Not the American people or their 'supposed' elected representatives.

The US dollar is toast soon anyhow with trillions of debt ensuring its downfall. SDR's are on the horizon though is just another ponzi scheme without any real asset such as gold and silver to back it up. I posted on these currency issues a while back and Libya is another holdout to the one world currency scheme. Are they next?

These wars are primarily about creating a One World Currency, though unfortunately, the ones to benefit are the same international banksters of which financed both sides of every war Americans ever fought.

The Iranians have been discussing the gold backed dinar for quite some time. They have every right to form their own currency and if it is gold backed, Good for them. At least it is an honest form of currency.

Let's not lose focus of the true agenda at hand being played by the fiat currency cartel, that pesky NWO that chooses to eliminate anything in it's way with psychotic intention and Not for the benefit of Any country, only a handfull of international banksters and some illuminati folks who are in this hook line and sinkers; or rather suckers.

Please wake Up people. No one benefits the way this ball is rolling. No One! The US needs to create it's own currency and put down all Federal(foreign) influence into it's affairs. This should be quite obvious by now. Good research airspoon. Your intent has merit though I prefer to focus on the 'larger' picture. It matters more, if you know what I mean.

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