Endeavour Crater MOC Images revisited and reposted - I know in my gut this is a structure!!

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Also what would be the difference ibn searching on the home page via keyword and using the search page itself, all that changes is the site visitrs perspective of the search, i'm sure the site uses the same engine either way..

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I was debating the excuse so many people use... Paradoilia, it also works both ways which many of the people that use that argument seem to forget. It also very relevant to certain objects and situations. As isaid i dont see these objects n every Mars image i have looked at, if anything quite the opposite, i seldom see anything worth sharing, posting or a second look for that matter.
But this i can not forget and from the day i saw it was amazed

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reply to post by Havick007


The difference is that the search I use also allows searches by longitude, latitude and distance from that point, or between two coordinate points.

And I agree, that image is not new, according to HiRISE's site, the files for that photo have almost exactly one year, they are from 22-Aug-2009.

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yeah according to Hirise.... and yes true but i never once needed or used long/lat to search....

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Ironic that this post gets 20+ stars lol...what a joke

It very well could be an optical illusion but it does actually look quite like a building to me, however if this was a building (and quite a noticeable one if it is) why would this be allow to be put out on the internet, surely they would censor this?

I believe that Mars was once colonised with most likely humans or not much far from ourselves, however I don't think that they are still around today, don't ask me why, just a gut feeling like OP.

Originally posted by ZombieJesus
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The next person that tries to discredit someone using ridiculous psychobabble like that will be the first on my ignore list.

Just a question dbloch7986.

Are you going to put me on ignore for posting this?

Apophenia

Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.

Thanks in advance

No. It was mostly a rhetorical statement. I don't ignore people unless they deliberately harass me and it hasn't happened yet.

In order to accuse the OP of apophenia you have to prove absolutely that the data in which he sees the pattern is in fact random and meaningless. You cannot. Even NASA cannot. You may think the assumption is unlikely or even impossible but you cannot and you will not ever prove to anyone ever that the OP is wrong.

In order to prove the OP wrong or right every single one of you would need to travel to Mars yourself and look. All of you accusing the OP of having an over active imagination are in the same boat as the OP. There is no point in doing anything in this thread than stating your opinion.

Spending your time calling the OP crazy and discrediting the photos is as fruitful as me trying to convince you he's right. You have your opinion and he has his.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
Spending your time calling the OP crazy and discrediting the photos is as fruitful as me trying to convince you he's right. You have your opinion and he has his.

Too bad the OP doesn't trust the validity of the images I posted and ignores them...

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by dbloch7986
Spending your time calling the OP crazy and discrediting the photos is as fruitful as me trying to convince you he's right. You have your opinion and he has his.

Too bad the OP doesn't trust the validity of the images I posted and ignores them...

I saw that and that's his choice. You can't do anymore than what you did. You are not going to change his mind. All you can do is state your opinion based on your evidence.

A lot of people on here distrust NASA and the government and the official story. Rightfully so in my opinion. The government is not always forthcoming. Matter of fact a lot of things they do are shrouded in secrecy.

The OP didn't make a very outrageous claim to begin with. Its definitely within the realm of possibility.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
I saw that and that's his choice. You can't do anymore than what you did. You are not going to change his mind. All you can do is state your opinion based on your evidence.

That's what I did.

I'm not here to change people's minds, what I want to do (and rarely achieve) is to make people understand that there are other possibilities besides the one they are considering.

A lot of people on here distrust NASA and the government and the official story. Rightfully so in my opinion. The government is not always forthcoming. Matter of fact a lot of things they do are shrouded in secrecy.

Yes, many people don't trust NASA, but they do when they have something to gain with it, like trusting one photo and distrusting another.

The OP didn't make a very outrageous claim to begin with. Its definitely within the realm of possibility.

It's possible, but looking at the photos I don't think that his interpretation is right.

reply to post by Havick007


Hi, I have been a lurker on ATS for quite some time and recently decided to join as I find alot of these subjects very interesting , this one in particular I remember quite well from when it was last posted as I too was certain this was a structure of some kind. I also intended on posting when It first came around I even made some images but never got around to it.

The first time around after reading through the posts I came to the conclusion that this was image distortion of some kind as shown by ArMaP. And this time around it seems pretty much the same.

To confirm this I have taken an image posted by in the OP and an image posted by ArMaP, opened them in photoshop and simply laid one over the other, with literally 5 seconds of adjusting the images match almost perfectly. Obviously there is quite a difference in image quality between the two, but given that the "structure" as well as ALL the surrounding area's overlay almost perfectly, I would say this is enough to confirm that there is no structure and its simply the image proportions on the original image that are not correct.

(please note I could have "enhanced" these images, however I made a point of not changing ANY colour or contrast settings I have only adjusted the proportions on the hirise image, OP's image is untouched other than crop)

Image comparison; Image from OP & Image from ArMaP's post:
(on the left the hiRise image as is, top right is the same image with the proportions edited)

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Gif with both images:

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As you can see they match very well, also the surroudning areas match meaning the proportions on the initial image where the "structure" is seen are NOT accurate. You could argue that it is the Hirise image that is out of proportion however these are much higher res and given the level of detail that can be seen, this is very unlikely.

Well I just thought I'd add my 2 cents (or technically pence) Thanks for reading.


Cheers,


S3ns1bl3




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S.O.A.B i see it! man u wasnt kiddin at first i was like nah hes full of it then i started agreein with everyone else that u spent to much time lookin at photos but then i went back and looked and it doesnt fit the landscape at all its not a natural disaster!

infact this proves what zecharia sitchin said about sumerian mythology that there was a mars base that was linked between earth and nibiru...and photos is proof aswell!

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Of course if there are things to hide then we always assume the images would be tamered with and airbrushed. However when you consider the volume of images being released every month i would find it hard to imagine that every single image could be censored. You would need a warehouse full of image analysts working 24/7 to properly proof-read every single image. Well that's how i have thought about it but i may be wrong..

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I dont igore them, i'm just not 100% sure about them. I swear black and blue that i looked long and hard to find Hirise images of the area before my post which i have already mentioned, i also looked again this time in memory of your post on my last related thread and again they were no where to be seen and still not available on Google Earth.
Then as soon as i made this post they resurfaced and were very easily found again.
I'm just not 100% is all and it wasnt anything personal as you obtained the images from a third party or the source in this case, it's the images i'm not sure about not your opinion or input

reply to post by Havick007


Hi Havick,

Please see my post above. I have confirmed this is not structure. The proportions on your initial image where inaccurate creating the distortion.

Images in my post above prove this.


Cheers,



S3ns1bl3

reply to post by Havick007


There is a good chance that the images that needed to be censored would be selected by computer and then further censored using computers and algorithms designed to detect non-fractal geometry and then smooth it out (censor it).

Obviously there would be some humans involved, but with advanced AI (I don't mean sentient) and the technology available to protect such sensitive things, human involvement could be kept to a minimum.

Then NASA can release the images without having to worry. And we can all go to bed safer now that potential vital data has been denied to the Chinese communists.

*Sure some stuff might get through, but so what? NASA doesn't lie (like The Nazarene Hisself) and the discoverer will be called names so that means whatever they found doesn't count. Or something.


For example: You find a Structure on the Moon or Mars.

I - who know in my heart NASA does not lie - then make an implication about you being mentally ill or insult you in some other sly manner; knowing that if I am too bold with my insults I may be punished; and my genius post removed.

Then to top it off I would post a silly image along with comments about
pareidolia no matter how many other members had done that in the thread already - it is a point that must be raised multiple times.

Here is an example of such an image, which believe would garner me stars.

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hahahahaha!

be careful though e1, as sometimes sarcasm comes out the wrong way at ATS...

..oh and your post is spot on!

reply to post by S3ns1bl3


How exactly have you confirmed this?? Is your confirmation difinative?? So then how does your confirmation differ from my post and offering of images?

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And again i say how were my proportions incorrect? All i had to do was post the raw and use an image proc program to zoom and crop, i got the best res i could, what did you do differently?

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Any such program if real, and quite possibly it would be in this day and age, would still not have 100% accuracy, not even humans have that

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