Why the west should fear muslims

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Can you list your sources then please? I would like to see where you are getting your sources from. Use a trusted Islamic site please.

My source is the eternal word of Allah (may he be praised) - the Koran.

Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1

Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4

Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15

Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife. 53:29

Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144

Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 33:48

Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107

Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

Non-Muslims are wrong doers. 5:45

The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11

Stay away from idolaters. 6:106

Disbelievers are liars. 16:39

Muslims are the best people. Most Non-Muslims are "evil-livers." 3:11

Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125

Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 45:31

Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29

Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118

Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84

The verses stating that unbelievers will burn in hell etc, could fill a book. In fact, they almost do fill the Koran! I'm more interested in the verses dealing with the herein rather than the after life though.

reply to post by ollncasino


I think this is the original verse of 3/118
[3:118] O you who believe, do not befriend outsiders who never cease to wish you harm; they even wish to see you suffer. Hatred flows out of their mouths and what they hide in their chests is far worse. We thus clarify the revelations for you, if you understand.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Can you list your sources then please? I would like to see where you are getting your sources from. Use a trusted Islamic site please.

My source is the eternal word of Allah (may he be praised) - the Koran.

Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1

Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4

Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15

Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife. 53:29

Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144

Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 33:48

Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107

Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

Non-Muslims are wrong doers. 5:45

The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11

Stay away from idolaters. 6:106

Disbelievers are liars. 16:39

Muslims are the best people. Most Non-Muslims are "evil-livers." 3:11

Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125

Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 45:31

Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29

Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118

Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84

The verses stating that unbelievers will burn in hell etc, could fill a book. In fact, they almost do fill the Koran! I'm more interested in the verses dealing with the herein rather than the after life though.

Thanks for posting these quotes, people that call others "Islamophobic" should actually read the Quaran itself or aggregated lists per topic like yours. But they usually don't, they would rather live in a fantasy than face the facts.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by ollncasino

 

I think this is the original verse of 3/118
[3:118] O you who believe, do not befriend outsiders who never cease to wish you harm; they even wish to see you suffer. Hatred flows out of their mouths and what they hide in their chests is far worse. We thus clarify the revelations for you, if you understand.

What about the rest of the list, want my list too? ... Go down this path and be humiliated Good luck in proving that Islam does not advocate hate against the non-believers, you will have to argue the Queran and supplementary holy books.

[edit on 21-8-2010 by Acharya]

reply to post by Acharya


Well I can use good verses as well as bad for the Koran. Demonizing a religion is really pointless when you think about it.

Here's some nice verses I can share. Care to be humiliated by these?

24:38
That Allah may reward them according to the best of their deeds, and add even more for them out of His Grace: for Allah doth provide for those whom He will, without measure.

‘Whosoever chooses to follow guidance, follows it for his own good; whosoever goes astray, goes astray to his own loss.’
(al-Isra’ 17: 15)

‘Say: The Truth has come from your Lord. Let him who will, believe it, and let him who will, reject it.’
(al-Kahf 18: 29)

‘Whosoever holds fast to God, he has been guided onto the Straight Path.’
(al-Imran 3: 101)

‘Say: He is God, the One and Unique;
God, the Eternal source and support
Of everything;
He begets not, and neither is He begotten;
And none is His equal.’
(al-Ikhlas 112: 1-4)


These are just random verse. Yes, Islam is not perfect. But no religion is either. We can argue who's right and who's wrong but who will ever be proven right?

Originally posted by Acharya
Thanks for posting these quotes, people that call others "Islamophobic" should actually read the Quaran itself or aggregated lists per topic like yours. But they usually don't, they would rather live in a fantasy than face the facts.

If Islam wasn't a religion, it would have been banned as an organization promoting intolerance and violence a long time ago.

I have noticed that the majority of apologists for Islam appear to have never actually read any of Islam's teachings.

If they did, perhaps they would change their tune?

Still, perhaps not. Many apologists for Islam are simply Muslims.

Of course, on line, they prefer to pretend to be 'concerned' liberals, but they have their own, obvious agenda.

reply to post by ollncasino


You can say the same thing about Judaism and Christianity.

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
24:38
That Allah may reward them according to the best of their deeds, and add even more for them out of His Grace: for Allah doth provide for those whom He will, without measure.

‘Whosoever chooses to follow guidance, follows it for his own good; whosoever goes astray, goes astray to his own loss.’
(al-Isra’ 17: 15)

‘Say: The Truth has come from your Lord. Let him who will, believe it, and let him who will, reject it.’
(al-Kahf 18: 29)

‘Whosoever holds fast to God, he has been guided onto the Straight Path.’
(al-Imran 3: 101)

‘Say: He is God, the One and Unique;
God, the Eternal source and support
Of everything;
He begets not, and neither is He begotten;
And none is His equal.’
(al-Ikhlas 112: 1-4)

Sadly, the over-riding majority of verses in the Koran that deal with how Muslims are prescribed to interact with non-Muslims command them to not be freinds with non-Muslims and to carry out violent Jihad.

Nothing in the quotes you posted contradict those essential tenants of Islam.

In fact, on reflection, the quotes you posted don't say much about anything, so I am a little unclear of your point?

After all, its not every day that ATS gets such an unusual character as yourself on its boards.

A Jew attacking Christ but defending Militant Islam, who feints ignorance of the Koran...

Are you really just another Muslim, pretending to be something you aren't?

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by ollncasino

 

You can say the same thing about Judaism and Christianity.

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

More links I would like to share. Since we're bashing Islam already.
www.seesharppress.com...

Here's a great article discussing a great topic.
www.comparativereligion.com...

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by Acharya

 

Well I can use good verses as well as bad for the Koran. Demonizing a religion is really pointless when you think about it.

Here's some nice verses I can share. Care to be humiliated by these?

24:38
That Allah may reward them according to the best of their deeds, and add even more for them out of His Grace: for Allah doth provide for those whom He will, without measure.

‘Whosoever chooses to follow guidance, follows it for his own good; whosoever goes astray, goes astray to his own loss.’
(al-Isra’ 17: 15)

‘Say: The Truth has come from your Lord. Let him who will, believe it, and let him who will, reject it.’
(al-Kahf 18: 29)

‘Whosoever holds fast to God, he has been guided onto the Straight Path.’
(al-Imran 3: 101)

‘Say: He is God, the One and Unique;
God, the Eternal source and support
Of everything;
He begets not, and neither is He begotten;
And none is His equal.’
(al-Ikhlas 112: 1-4)


These are just random verse. Yes, Islam is not perfect. But no religion is either. We can argue who's right and who's wrong but who will ever be proven right?

The context of the post was that Islam preaches hate towards non-believers, your quotes does not disprove this claim.

reply to post by ollncasino


No I'm not a Christian, a Jew or Muslim. Just because I enjoy to study about various religious doesn't make me a member of that religion. I used the verses because you were being one sided. so I wanted to see the greener side of the grass.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel

You can say the same thing about Judaism and Christianity.

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

You are just another Muslim.

Good try though Mr. 'Jew'.

Perhaps, next time, you could try pretending to be Batman?

reply to post by ollncasino


Thanks for the complement. I never knew you enjoyed my roll as batman. So now I'm a Muslim for defending Islam? That makes perfect sense. Calling me a Muslim will some how win the argument. You are such a genius.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by ollncasino

 

No I'm not a Christian, a Jew or Muslim. Just because I enjoy to study about various religious doesn't make me a member of that religion. I used the verses because you were being one sided. so I wanted to see the greener side of the grass.

Yet you claimed to not understand the Koran and then posted (rather quickly) anti-Chritian links and quotes from the Koran...

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by ollncasino

 

You can say the same thing about Judaism and Christianity.

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

www.usbible.com...

More links I would like to share. Since we're bashing Islam already.
www.seesharppress.com...

Here's a great article discussing a great topic.
www.comparativereligion.com...

You invited quotes that proved that Islam preached hate towards non-believers, now that you have these quotes care to prove you point before adding another claim? Derailing into another topic will not work. Also, you have not refuted being involved to a religious web site while you have claimed that you are an atheist. Alltogether reading your posts I feel your motives in this thread is to derail and lie, so this is my last reply to you, sir/mam!

reply to post by ollncasino


Yes I did. Because you were being one sided like I said earlier. You cannot praise one religion and then demonizing the other to make it look evil. Yes I see religion as a mean to oppress people but what good is it making fun of it? Sometimes the best people who got your back are religious.

reply to post by Acharya


Okay i would prove my point here is a link discussing the Koran verse of being against Christians and Jews.
www.islamonline.net...

Here's from a website discussing about hate and hell in Islam.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Now these sites offer the best I can find to discuss the curiosity you might have.

[edit on 21-8-2010 by Romantic_Rebel]

[edit on 21-8-2010 by Romantic_Rebel]

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by fooks

 

That Christians try to promote their religion as peaceful on one hand; while on the other demonize others religious beliefs.
Westboro Baptist Church will be a good place to start.
www.godhatesfags.com...

you use these guys! lol, you know how tolerant the US is for religion is.


these morons are using the frikin constitution like the muslims!

you shi$$$g me?

if they were all men they probably would have a short life span.
you tell me where THEY promote peace, tolerance and brotherly love.


don't go there, dude.

reply to post by fooks


Yes religion is tolerable in the U.S. I think all religions have there good and bad fruits.

Originally posted by Acharya
You invited quotes that proved that Islam preached hate towards non-believers, now that you have these quotes care to prove you point before adding another claim? Derailing into another topic will not work. Also, you have not refuted being involved to a religious web site while you have claimed that you are an atheist. Alltogether reading your posts I feel your motives in this thread is to derail and lie, so this is my last reply to you, sir/mam!

Yet another wolf in sheep's clothing?

The 'concerned' Liberal mask is wearing a bit thin, so now we have a non religious poster, affiliated to a jewfish website attacking Jesus (as if I care) claiming to be ignorant about the Koran while producing links and quotes from the Koran as quick as a flash.

Something is a bit fishy.