The Amazing DNA molecule

I enjoyed the original post as very mind boggling but informative.
While surfing I came across sites that say that DNA repair can be effected by the use of frequencies.

If anyone has any inklings that this is a feasible. I have seen a video about a damaged base pair that gets a rung repaired simulation but not a lot of info. AS well I wonder about a missing rung in a DNA chain.Can it be added by the same methods?

Thank you for any solid input!

reply to post by Calender

Is there really a written language that the DNA is made up of?

Indeed there is....

Its all about "Communication" between 2 Ends of "Awareness". "Consciousness", i.e. LIFE or what ever other label you wish to give it.

One end produces the "Experience" while the other end "Experiences" it.

There is a huge "Net Work" of Constructs that manifest the experience where each consists of 2 Books which interact.

Each of the "Constructs" within the "Network" has a "Species Book" which interacts with a common "Environmental Book" in the form of a "Memory Map".

Both these "Books" are continuously being "Updated"...

The Universe is nothing more than a "Memory Map" being decoded by each of the "Constructs" within a Network.

We "Read" & "Write" to this "Memory Map" without realising...


There is a Language behind The All.

It is through this Communication we interpret the "Story" as our experience.

Without Communication there would be no Universe, Universes or any other worlds not representing Universes.

There is a Written "Program" which produced the Chemical Program we call DNA.

But the Experience we have i.e. the "Species Program" and the "Environmental Program" is made up of billions of programs.

But each Construct (That which decodes the "Books") has all the "Programs" within them.

What we Experience, is totally different than what produces the Experience.

All is "Decoded" from "Static Libraries" and Compiled in such a way as to produce a "Dynamic Program".

Never the less this still involves mechanics.

I believe it would take one with more than 46 chromosomes to even comprehend the questions the OP poses. On the other hand, some genes aren't even 'activated' or turned on. An understanding of the other dimensions would help as well.

There are much more pressing issues for the 'day' anyhow though I believe the following link may enlighten one in a new direction:

"The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 noughts after it.... It is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor on any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence."

These "star children" were "seeded" into humanity without the apparent knowledge of the Earth humans they came into contact with, to help, in the apparent view of Extraterrestrials to "elevate and inspire the socially creative potentials of humanity."

The collective consciousness of the universe is deemed to have manifested in the thoughts, feelings, and sensations of be-ings, who spawned 'the universe'. Therefore, the universe would expand as an expression of this consciousness.

At the same time, the life expectancy living in planets without the kind of pollution, and social oppression on Earth is represented by exo-scientists as apparent "being much higher than on Earth."

At the same time, the life expectancy living in planets without the kind of pollution, and social oppression on Earth is represented by exo-scientists as apparent "being much higher than on Earth."

A primordial soup of ET DNA.

If th-E+ or 'a' Creator wants to be known, it must first be knowAble.

Remember? the following; If something does not make Sense, it was not 'designed' to. Trust your innate and intuitive Gifts. They are there for a 'Reason', a Good One. The best things in life truly 'Are' free.

Good night, morning, wherever you may 'Find Yourself'.
A new beginning.....?
Your choice.


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Originally posted by Calender
The question is this:
Do you believe that highly complex, highly reliable machinery can come about by chance? Without solid proof, would not such a belief amount to blind faith?

You are clearly scientifically illiterate if you believe this is the case.

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OP ... a most interesting and thought provoking thread ... well done

I've long been a believer that the DNA molecule encodes far more information than it is generally believed to do.
From my point of view, many of the gross physical structures such as the heart, arteries, etc could NOT be constructed without also encoding necessary details such as distances, angles and lengths. A simple example is the construction of the femoral artery complex in the thigh. This artery complex obviously has a starting point (A) as well as a finishing point (B). To successfully connect point A to point B, many thousands/millions of cells need to be manufactured and need to be guided along specific lengths and in specific directions if these 2 points are to be eventually connected. I believe that such essential and necessary guidance information MUST be made available during the construction phase and furthermore, that such distance/angle/length information has to be encoded within the DNA.

I actually created a thread a while ago expanding on this subject and those that found the OP's thread interesting (as I did) may also want to check it out:

Genetics: Does DNA also encode mathematical values of lengths, distances and angles ?

Originally posted by Death_Kron
There's absolutely no way, in my opinion, that we "evolved" or grew into existance from nothing

There's no way that anything can be produced from nothing. IMO, I just think of "evolution" as one of the tools of the Creator...Just as the Declaration of Independance says "the Laws of Nature as set forth by the Creator."

Even in the bible, we are described as having "come from the Earth." So who's to say that the Creator is NOT the very Laws of Nature in themselves? This would indeed mean that the Creator is omni-present: the Natural Law is manifest everywhere, from the smallest of sub-atomic particles & waveforms of energy all the way to the macrocosm of the entire universe. We are only beginning to understand the scope & incentricities for the Laws of Nature: As complex of knowledge we've learned so far, how much more knowledge is left undiscovered? So far, humanity can still create nothing, as we're still restricted to the ability of merely re-arranging that-which-already-exists into a modified form that we desire & even that's on a limited scale. So, the Creator can also be described as omnipotent too. Everyone beginning to see a pattern here?

As complex as the DNA actually is, you must also understand the amount of time it took to organize all of that info, right back to the very beginnings of "inorganic" chemicals coming together in just the right way to begin life. As the OP explains, as long as it would him to type just the list all of the info in a DNA strand, the Natural Laws took a few billion years just to get it organized into the compact form we see today.

Let us also not forget that we live in a universe of not only matter, but energy & time as well...Just the Physical Laws that allow for a cyclic interchange between matter & energy cannot be accomplished without time, neither could the DNA just "pop out of nowhere" if there was no time for it to happen. The Earth was much more radioactive (due to the fact that radioactive matter gradually decays into more stable forms) way back when & our atmosphere was composed of gases in a very different combination (oxygen wasn't produced until the first blue-green algae existed) than today also & even the amount of solar & cosmic forms of radiation had to penetrate variable densities of atmosphere too: All of the earliest proto-chemicals where under a lot of different environmental stresses than they are now.

No, it wouldn't be very smart to throw a bunch of parts into a box & expect to have a bicycle pop out...Not without some form of action/interaction happening over time. As the Laws of Nature needed a constant interaction with the environment to produce life, our box of parts also needs some form of constant interaction to make a bicycle from those parts. Evolution is merely a "process" that is a small part of the Laws of Nature in motion.

In short, I see no discrepency between Evolution & Creation...I see them as two sides of the same coin that is Existence itself.

Whats with all the hate? I keep seeing "You know nothing about (this or that)". I am pretty sure that every one here as at least rudementary knowledge of biological science and evolution, so dont go insulting people's intelligence as the foundation of your arguments.

On another note. I love this thread. Genetics has always facinated me. I agree that DNA operates at a level of sophistication that I dont think can be surpased. If it wasent for my other passions of sociology, astronomy and philosophy I would dive into genetics however I have done alot of independant research on my own. While it isnt a masters degree, I think I have a good conceptual grasp of the details. Much has already been discussed here so I want to add in something. Food for thought.

Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick, who first discovered the double helix in the 50's, and first started to decode it (well before the human genome project) found that there were several very important gene sequences that have absolutely no genetic predecessor in any animal on the planet. Crick started to believe that humans were genetically engineered or altered. That certain sequences were literaly 'placed' there. This is coming from the father of modern genetics and a world renown scientist.

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I found a good article on some of the points you outlines and makes for some interesting reading. Full article and related topics will be linked below. Enjoy

The DNA code is a genetic 'language' that communicates information to the cell. The cell is very complicated, using many DNA instructions to control its every function. The amount of information in the DNA of even the single-celled bacterium, E. coli, is vast indeed. It is greater than the information contained in all the books in any of the world's largest libraries. The DNA molecule is exquisitely complex, and extremely precise: the 'letters' must be in a very exact sequence. If they are out of order, it is like a typing error in a message. The instructions that it gives the cell are garbled. This is what a mutation is.

The DNA code is quite simple in its basic structure (although enormously complex in its functioning). By now most people are familiar with the double helix structure of the DNA molecule. It is like a long ladder, twisted into a spiral. Sugar and phosphate molecules form the sides of the ladder. Four bases make up its 'rungs.' These are adenine, thymine, guanine, and cytosine. These bases act as the 'letters' of a genetic alphabet. They combine in various sequences to form words, sentences, and paragraphs. These base sequences are all the instructions needed to guide the functioning of the cell.

With the new data from molecular biology and information theory, we can now argue for an intelligent cause of the origin of life. It is based on the analogy between the DNA code and a written message. We cannot identify that source any further from the scientific data alone. We cannot supply a name for that intelligent cause. We cannot be sure from the empirical data on DNA whether the intelligence is within the cosmos but off the earth as asserted by Hoyle and Wickramasinghe.[24] It might be beyond the cosmos as historic theism maintains. All we can say is that, given the structure of a DNA molecule, it is certainly legitimate to conclude that an intelligent agent made it. Life came from a who rather than a what. We may be able to identify that agent in greater detail by other arguments. We may, for example, gain insight from historical, philosophical, or theological argument, or by considering the relevant lines of evidence from other areas of science. However, from scientific data on DNA alone we can argue only to an intelligent cause.

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Enjoy all and really spend some time reading up on this, this is something inside all of us yet we know or understand so little of it.

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