Over 1 Billion Muslims and Growing

There are many who are convinced that Islam is the enemy in the war on terrorism. But is it really?.. To say that you would condem and blame over one BILLION people who subcribe to a faith that happens to be shared by radical terrorists.

Is Islam really the enemy?

Islam is not the enemy...

Radical Islamic Fundamentalists....those are the ones behind such acts. Just as there are Radical Christian Fundamentalists blowing up Abortion Clinics and harming innocents to push their agenda. Islam does not have a monopoly when it comes to murdering innocents to achieve their message...and the War on Terror is NOT a War on Islam.

Truth123

Have you ever read the Koran? Wait you dont have to answer, I know the answer is no. So you have no idea what Islam preaches. All you have is your predjudces and ignorance.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

What do you think this all this hatred, and all those people jumping on the bandwagon of "Let's nuke Islam" is going to amount to and how do you think minorities like Asians in western countries, are going to be affected by this?

If you create an environment where it is easy for people to hate others based on any reason such as faith, culture, or race.. anything is possible.

Look what the hatred did to the Jews in Nazi Germany.

I would like to believe that in today's world most people are smart, sane and rational enough to understand that you cannot hate people for the actions of a few within their own.

Only time will tell.

UM_Gazz

I suggest you don't understand how certain ideology's effect the people's culture.

This idea that Islam, is not about about terror, kidnapping, ransom, ritual beheading is clearly insane.

The igornance on this border and the followers of islam is clearly, so crazy.

They tell me that Islam doesn't cause arab's to kill in the name of allah, terrorize the people, commit inhuman act's againist non muslims.

When people in society want to believe something "like islam is peaceful religion" Is like looking a blacksheep and saying it's white not black. They do this just to lie to themselves and win the argument.

It is the ideology, of Islam that is the terrorist, it is not the blood of men that commit them to commit terror, it is dangerous ideology like Islam that tell men and women to murderor in name of the cause. Mohammed's spirit lives in all the terrorists, Mohammed's spirit lives in all Muslims. Mohammed is the one that behead's, all the people in iraq, mohammed is the one that killed the spainish cilvillians in spain, mohammed is the one that lead the Islamic invasion of europe in 768. Mohammed is the one that ransom's, kidnapps and blow's embassy's. The arabs are just vessle for spirit of mohammed.

3. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JESUS AND MOHAMMED

Jesus' birth as the Messiah was prophesied in Scripture. Mohammed's birth as the so-called Seal of the Prophets was not.

Through many witnesses, the Holy Spirit established the lineage of the Christ from Abraham through Isaac and Jacob to the tribe of Judah and out of the house of David (Genesis 12:3, 18:18, 21:12, 22:18, 26:4, 28:14, 49:10; 2 Samuel 7:12-16; Psalms 18:50, 89:3-4, 89:20, 132:11; Isaiah 9:6-7, 11:1, 11:10; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 33:14-15). Moreover, it was prophesied through Isaiah that the Messiah would be conceived by a virgin (Isaiah 7:14). It was prophesied through Micah that he would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). And, it was prophesied through the typology in the third and sixth chapters of Zechariah that his name would be 'Joshua' (of which 'Jesus' is the Hellenized form).

Who prophesied the birth of Mohammed as a true prophet of God? No one. No one except Mohammed. Mohammed wrote:

"Jesus son of Mary said, 'Children of Israel, I am indeed the Messenger of God to you, confirming the Torah that is before me, and giving good tidings of a Messenger who shall come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.'"
Surah LXI (17)

There is no record that the Lord Jesus said any such thing!

Throughout the Koran, Mohammed refutes that Jesus was the Son of God:

"The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a spirit from Him."
Surah IV (18)

"The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; Messengers before him passed away; his mother was a just woman; they both ate food. Behold, how We make clear signs to them; then behold, how they perverted are!"
Surah V (19)

"The Creator of the heavens and the earth --- how should He have a Son, seeing that He has no consort, and He created all things, and He has knowledge of everything?"
Surah VI (20)

"The Jews say, 'Ezra is the Son of God;' the Christians say, 'The Messiah is the Son of God.' That is the utterance of their mouths, confirming with the unbelievers before them."
Surah IX (21)

"They [the Christians] say, 'God has taken to Him a son.' Glory be to Him! He is All-sufficient; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; you have no authority for this. what, so you say concerning God that you know not? Say: 'Those who forge against God falsehood shall not prosper. Some enjoyment in this world; then unto Us they shall return; then We shall let them taste the terrible chastisement, for that they were unbelievers [in Mohammed and the Koran].'"
Surah X (22)

"Praise belongs to God, who has not taken to Him a son."
Surah XVII (23)

"And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son' You have indeed advanced something hideous! The heavens are well-nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well-nigh fall down crashing for they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and it behooves not the All-merciful to take a son."
Surah XIX (24)

"God has not taken to Himself any son."
Surah XXIII (25)

"He has not taken to Him a son."
Surah XXV (26)

"Is it not of their own calumny that they say, 'God has begotten?' They are truly liars."
Surah XXXVII (27)

"And when the son of Mary is cited as an example, behold, thy people turn away from it and say, 'What are our gods better, or he?' They [the Christians] cite him not to thee, save to dispute; nay, but they are a people contentious. He is only a servant We blessed, and We made him to be an example to the Children of Israel."
Surah VXLIII (28)

It was Mohammed's self-proclaimed mission ". . . to warn those who say, 'God has taken to Himself a son.'" (29) Yet, many have testified of the Messiah's Sonship. It was prophesied by the Holy Spirit through King David: "I will be his father, and he shall be my son" (2 Samuel 7:14). Through Isaiah: "Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given" (Isaiah 9:6). Through Gabriel to Mary: "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest" (Luke 1:32) and "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:35). John the Baptist bore record that Jesus was the Son of God (John 1:32-34). God Himself testified twice of Jesus: "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED" (Matthew 3:17, 17:5; Mark 1:11, 9:7; and, Luke 3:22, 9:35). Saint Mark testified in his gospel: "Jesus Christ, the Son of God" (Mark 1:1).

Even the unclean spirits recognized that Jesus was the Son of God: "And, behold, they cried out, saying, 'What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?'" Matthew 8:29 (30)

To casual observers and lifeless Christians, that Mohammed claimed God had no Son in Jesus does not seem to be so very damaging: after all, they think, he did acknowledge that Jesus was a prophet, --- "a Messenger of God." These fail to see that for Mohammed to have stated that Jesus was not a prophet would have kept many from his own teachings; it would have precluded their even listening to his message. Further, these fail to see that Mohammed had to include Jesus within his teachings if he was to be more convincing concerning his own authority. It is easier to deceive if you pretend to build on an already-established foundation. It is easier to destroy if you claim a heritage in Truth:

"Surely We sent down the Torah, wherein is guidance and light, thereby the Prophets who had surrendered themselves gave judgment for those of Jewry, as did the masters and the rabbis, following such portion of God's Book as they were given to keep and were witness to. . . . And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus son of Mary, confirming the Torah before him; and We gave to him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah before it, as a guidance and an admonition unto the godfearing."
Surah V (31)

Mohammed tries to persuade us that the Koran is just as scriptural as the Torah and the Gospels. He tries to make it seem as if the Torah and the Gospels and the Koran are equal parts in a threefold plan of divine revelation to humankind. Why? The most effective way to win individuals over to your way of thinking is to, first, tell them what they already believe is true (so you don't alienate them) and, second, slowly persuade them that what they don't yet know or understand can be provided for, or answered by, your doctrines: the wolf-in-shepherd's-clothing approach, so to speak.

Both Moses and Jesus proved their words with works and signs following. The miracles performed through them punctuated the truths they spoke and the lives they lived. Christ Jesus said:

". . . for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me."
John 5:36

And:

"Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, 'Thou blasphemest;' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that you may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in Him."
John 10:36-38

Mohammed did not prove his words with works. Oh, he frequently proclaims that the Surahs (the main divisions or chapters) of the Koran are themselves "signs, clear signs." But there are no accounts of miracles wrought through him, save those unreliable that are attributed to him through the imagination and fancy of his followers. Mohammed tries to explain away the absence of such proofs this way:

"They say, 'Why have signs not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'The signs are only with God, and I am only a plain warner.' What, is it not sufficient for them that We have sent down upon thee the Book that is recited to them [meaning the Koran]? Surely, in that is a mercy, and a reminder to a people who believe."
Surah XXIX (32)

"It is He who has sent His Messenger [Mohammed] with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may uplift it above every religion. God suffices as a witness."
Surah XLVIII (33)

Mohammed claimed that it was only for him to deliver "the Message Manifest," --- the final word from God. (34) He tried to delude the people into thinking that he was the Christ returned to earth. In doing so, the Devil sought to establish his authority for overturning the principles of peace, love, and forgiveness taught by the real Savior.

Jesus instructed us to love our enemies, to revile not when reviled, to forgive those who despitefully use us, and to refrain from judgment (the condemnation of our peers). Hear what Mohammed had to say on those topics:

"O believers, prescribed for you is retaliation, touching the slain; freeman for freeman, slave for slave, female for female . . . In retaliation there is life for you, men possessed of minds; haply you will be godfearing."
Surah II (35)

"And fight in the way of God with those who fight with you. . . . And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; [your own] persecution is more grievous than slaying [others]."
Surah II (36)

"Whoso commits aggression against you, do you commit aggression against him like as he has committed against you . . . "
Surah II (37)

"Prescribed for you is fighting, though it be hateful to you."
Surah II (38)

" . . . take not to yourselves friends of them [the disbelievers] until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them . . . "
Surah IV (39)

"This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off, or they shall be banished from the land."
Surah V (40)

"Fight them [the unbelievers], till there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely."
Surah VIII (41)

"It is not for any Prophet to have prisoners until he make wide slaughter in the land."
Surah III (42)

"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush."
Surah IX (43)

"Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day."
Surah IX (44)

"And fight the unbelievers totally even as they fight you totally; and know that God is with the godfearing."
Surah IX (45)

"O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you, and let them find in you a harshness; and know that God is with the Godfearing."
Surah IX (46)

"The recompense of evil is evil the like of it . . . "
Surah XLII (47)

"When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads."
Surah XLVII (48)

"Mohammed is the Messenger of God, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another."
Surah XLVIII (49)

"Thou shalt not find any people who believe in God and the Last Day who are loving to anyone who opposes God and His Messenger."
Surah LVIII (50)

"O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be thou harsh with them."
Surah LXVI (51)

It should be clear that the literature of Mohammed is hateful, encouraging people to live both in fear and by the sword in judgment of one another. Compare the preceding quotations with the following instructions given by the Christ:

"But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye: for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged, condemn not, and ye shall not be comdemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete, withal it shall be measured to you again."
Luke 6:27-38

Having compared the previous passage with those immediately preceding it, which one of the two --- Jesus or Mohammed --- do you think is the true witness of the loving Father?

Considering what is written in the Koran, there should be little wonder why Bibles are not allowed into countries over which the banner of Islam flies. The people of those nations might be able to read:

"Thus saith the Lord: SUCH AS ARE FOR DEATH, TO DEATH: AND SUCH AS ARE FOR THE SWORD, TO THE SWORD: AND SUCH AS ARE FOR THE FAMINE, TO THE FAMINE: AND SUCH AS ARE FOR THE CAPTIVITY, TO THE CAPTIVITY."
Jeremiah 15:2

"Put up again thy sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."
Matthew 26:52

"He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword."
Revelation 13:10

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather, give place unto wrath: for it is written, VENGEANCE IS MINE; I WILL REPAY, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink; for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good."
Romans 12:19-21

In short, they would find out that the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, --- the one of whom Christ Jesus came to testify, is a god of peace and love and not a god of war and hate. Moreover, they would learn of the Levitical high priest and his role as intercessor for the children of Israel, offering sacrifice once a year for their sins, and how Christ Jesus was sent to sacrifice himself "once for all" (Hebrews 10:10). They would learn how the Old Testament events, rules, and regulations were but a figure, or typology, of things to come. They would learn to understand the role of the Lamb as Intercessor for all nations under the sun. And, finally, concerning their relationship to Christ Jesus, they would learn that "there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Throughout the Koran, Mohammed attempts to undercut the role of Christ Jesus as Savior. He tries to negate that the Lamb "bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors" (Isaiah 53:12) and that "he ever liveth to make intercession for them" (Hebrews 7:25):

"Intercessor there is none, save after His leave."
Surah X (52)

". . . no intercessors shall they have amongst their associates, and they shall disbelieve in their associates."
Surah XXX (53)

"Intercession will not avail with Him save for him to whom He gives leave."
Surah XXXIV (54)

"To God belongs intercession altogether."
Surah XXXIV (55)

". . . the evildoers [those who do not believe in Mohammed and the Koran] have not one loyal friend, no intercessor to be heeded."
Surah XL (56)

". . . no soul laden bears the load of another."
Surah LIII (57)

"Come, now, and God's Messenger [meaning Mohammed] will ask forgiveness for you."
Surah LXIII (58)

It is plain that Mohammed tried to set himself up in Jesus' stead. What of the crucifixion? In his own form of gnostic Docetism, Mohammed accounts it cruci-fiction:

". . . they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them."
Surah IV (59)

Guilty of the ultimate crime against God are those who say that Jesus is not the Christ and that He did not die for our sins. For that reason alone, Mohammed condemns himself and his followers (so long as they remain his followers). The Lord Jesus said:

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
John 3:16-18

"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye shall receive."
John 5:43

"If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. He that hateth me hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father."
John 15:22-24

Simply stated, without Christ Jesus we have no advocate with the Father. If we reject the one God sent, we reject the mercy He extends to us through that one.

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Christian fundamentalists control the largest armed forces in the world...

Hmm...if you are referring to the U.S., I'm sorry to say you're wrong. The U.S. armed forces ARE NOT the largest in the world, actually, it is one of the SMALLEST. It is more about the training, technology, and tactics - the three T's - that make them the MOST POWERFUL in many people's opinions.

However, to say they are the largest, that would be incorrect. China, as far as I know, has one of the biggest. The majority are not Christian.

-wD

Originally posted by TheTruth123
3. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JESUS AND MOHAMMED

Jesus' birth as the Messiah was prophesied in Scripture. Mohammed's birth as the so-called Seal of the Prophets was not.

There is no record that God would send his son either save for interpretation by those who had prophecy to look back on and forge the story to fit. As for Mohammed, if one wishes to consider that Jesus was prophesied, then one cannot claim that when he said he would send his messenger, this did not mean Mohammed.

Through many witnesses, the Holy Spirit established the lineage of the Christ from Abraham through Isaac and Jacob to the tribe of Judah and out of the house of David

I am afraid not. The two lineages do not match, further it is clearly fabricated in that: his genealogy per matthew shows Roboam; Abia; Asa; Josaphat; Joram, which were not sons of the previous but all sons of Solomon, therefore a forced lineage; Ammon was considered evil by god II Kings 21:2 next in line was Jechonias who was not the son of ammon but his grandson, therefore a purposeful attempt to mislead, and he too was cursed; two generations later we have Zorobabel whose heritage cannot be determined in that his supposed father Salathiel, died childless; Achim, Eluid are unknown characters. Luke has its own issues also; Elmodam, Cosam, Addi, Melchi and Neri are unknowns; Salathiel in Matthew is represented as the son of Jechonias, and in Luke as the son of Neri; see also Salathiel and Zorobabel above; Joanna is female not male where the line was recorded by the male side; The Matthias lines strongly resemble the Josephus genealogy with a number of unknowns tossed in for good measure.

t was prophesied through Micah that he would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). And, it was prophesied through the typology in the third and sixth chapters of Zechariah that his name would be 'Joshua' (of which 'Jesus' is the Hellenized form).

Why name him Jesus then?

Throughout the Koran, Mohammed refutes that Jesus was the Son of God:

So? Just because the writings aproved by various councils say so does not mean that he was. They tossed those which said he was not the son of God, is that a surprise? further, he was called and referred to himself as the son of man, was he or the church elders confused as to what he was?

Truth 123

YOU HAVE NEVER READ THE KORAN!

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

You should read it before judging it.

If you want to blame the culture or something else then go ahead, but pointing to Islam, is just plain wrong.

It is like someone saying that Christians are evil and the Bible promotes hatred and viloence. Because of the Crusades the KKK , ABortion Clinc murders,Spanish Inqustion,Witch Burning,Gay hate crimes and so on.

We know the Bible does not preach hate, because we read it.
Dont judge a whole faith base on a few bad eggs. The KKK does not repesent Christians. Osama does not repesent Muslims.

[edit on 18-5-2005 by Snowman9]

[edit on 18-5-2005 by Snowman9]

I actually believe that God ofcourse new that Christianity and such would come. Which is logicall as hes all powerfull. I think as i posted in a thread before this that it was a way of getting as much people in contact how to live theire lives, be good people and the truth. Some religions which Allah send are ofcourse then more correct than others. I believe Islam is the most correct version of what god send to us.

Originally posted by IMMORTAL
I don't think all muslims are the enemy, but the small few who pervert and twist the teachings to suit their own agendas, be it whatever religion one follows.

Yes, all is equal to all, and all is ok.
The error starts here: to think that the teachings must be correct by default. If you write a book composed of 90% propaganda and 10% ethically salvageable material, I don't think you can justify even the 10%. Whatever seems right a few centuries later is just so by chance and cultural relativity. Throw it all away. Garbage!

TheTruth123, nice War of the Scriptures you copy/pasted there


Very difficult to make any sense out of it though since it is very incoherent. Quotes from both scriptures are only partial sentences out of context from various chapters.
Oh and you forgot to post the link from where you got that.

Anyways, it is a pointless debate anyway.

You do realise that we all have no idea what Jesus actually said, we do not have the Gospel of Jesus. We have gospels of people who think they know what Jesus said, written in their own words and understanding, translated over and over again, from one language into another.
On the other side we have a scripture of a man who claims God dictated it to him.

See why it is pointless to debate it the way you did?

The validity of both scriptures is based on faith, personal belief and nothing else. There is no objective truth there.

You people fail to see what i see.

You keep on coming with conculsion that there are good musilm and bad muslim's.

It's like saying there are good nazi's.
So a person that hates a jew is good nazi? oh he doesn't hate a jew? then how can he be a nazi?

The point that i'm suggesting is, if the middleast was christian dominated, then you wouldn't have terrorist attacks, kidnappings, ransom and beheadings. Why? because Islam prompt's this stuff, christianity is againist it. So when children are brough up on islam, it's natural that some will do what islam has told them to do and it's natural for someone to morderate and not listen to the teaching see in differenent manner.

Now if you where to bring, up middleast in christian culture, the image of jesus, and high morals, turn the other check mentality. Then you wouldn't have this terrorist problem in the middleast. You won't have Islamic fights shout "Allah akbar" before murdering a man. They say this "In the name of god i kill this man". Even with their religion on their side, they still have concious telling them what they are doing is wrong. This why they need to shout " A;;ah akbar" before the murderor someone.

Jews and christians are seen in bad light in koran. This why mulsim's always tend to see christians and jew's as the enemy. But can't look back at their own deed's and misjustices.

Judaism, christian, hinduism, buddaism, are passive religions non voilient.

Islam is the oppsite to all these religions, amazing it's at war with all of them.

If u people still can't see this and still remain with this mentality that Islam and christianity are as bad as each. Even after watching the news in middle in the last 50 years. It's clearly ignorant, to state that Islam, doesn't effect the terrorist problem. Terrorist problem is indivudual, and not from the root's of islam, is clearly insane. Funny every terrorist, seem's to be heavily religious muslim. Moderates, then call them non_muslims, because theu don't follow the moderate Islam. Morderate Islamic people, are ignorant, Why? Because islam is clearly not morderate. So it's a pride thing, they won't convert to another religion, because of family, pressures and culture pressure, so they start changing the percenption of islam to their own belifs.

Originally posted by TheTruth123
You people fail to see what i see.

You keep on coming with conculsion that there are good musilm and bad muslim's.

It's like saying there are good nazi's.
So a person that hates a jew is good nazi? oh he doesn't hate a jew? then how can he be a nazi?

The point that i'm suggesting is, if the middleast was christian dominated, then you wouldn't have terrorist attacks, kidnappings, ransom and beheadings. Why? because Islam prompt's this stuff, christianity is againist it. So when children are brough up on islam, it's natural that some will do what islam has told them to do and it's natural for someone to morderate and not listen to the teaching see in differenent manner.

Now if you where to bring, up middleast in christian culture, the image of jesus, and high morals, turn the other check mentality. Then you wouldn't have this terrorist problem in the middleast. You won't have Islamic fights shout "Allah akbar" before murdering a man. They say this "In the name of god i kill this man". Even with their religion on their side, they still have concious telling them what they are doing is wrong. This why they need to shout " A;;ah akbar" before the murderor someone.

Jews and christians are seen in bad light in koran. This why mulsim's always tend to see christians and jew's as the enemy. But can't look back at their own deed's and misjustices.

Judaism, christian, hinduism, buddaism, are passive religions non voilient.

Islam is the oppsite to all these religions, amazing it's at war with all of them.

If u people still can't see this and still remain with this mentality that Islam and christianity are as bad as each. Even after watching the news in middle in the last 50 years. It's clearly ignorant, to state that Islam, doesn't effect the terrorist problem. Terrorist problem is indivudual, and not from the root's of islam, is clearly insane. Funny every terrorist, seem's to be heavily religious muslim. Moderates, then call them non_muslims, because theu don't follow the moderate Islam. Morderate Islamic people, are ignorant, Why? Because islam is clearly not morderate. So it's a pride thing, they won't convert to another religion, because of family, pressures and culture pressure, so they start changing the percenption of islam to their own belifs.

It amazes me that you are so ignorent. You have no idea waht you are talking about. You have never read the Koran. You can tell by what you are saying, you are judging something that you know nothing of, based on news coverage or personal beliefs.. If you read the Koran you would know better. Yes there is a problem with terrorisum, but the actual faith preaches against it. By you logic you can look at Christians the same way. The KKK, by your logic a Muslim can judge all Christians by them. Christians where the first to start fighting with the Jews in Palastien anyways. Look it up. Lord save me from your followers. Does the KKK follow the Bible? THe problem with all faiths,is people do not follow what there boos tell them, unless it is covenant. If they need a politcal cause then they will twist words in there books to fit it.
You are just ignorant of the faith and it shows on your post.

Not a muslim by the way, but I have been to the mideast and I have read the Koran.

[edit on 19-5-2005 by Snowman9]

Originally posted by TheTruth123You keep on coming with conculsion that there are good musilm and bad muslim's...

The point that i'm suggesting is, if the middleast was christian dominated, then you wouldn't have terrorist attacks, kidnappings, ransom and beheadings. Why? because Islam prompt's this stuff, christianity is againist it.

Does that mean then that while they are against terrorism, Christians are solid supporters of guerrilla tactics and the drug trade, as with Columbia where 90% of its population or 38.7 million people are Catholic?

The middle east problem isnt caused by Islam. Its caused because most of the nations there have problems since the decoloialization. The countries which are there now never exited before. They also didnt advance as much as the western world. That caused a sense inferiority. Also allot of people there are poor. Yes many use religion as a excuse but didnt the crusaders do the same? Or the general plundering of Christian armies in the Dark age?

Originally posted by TheTruth123
You people fail to see what i see.

You keep on coming with conculsion that there are good musilm and bad muslim's.

Like you fail to see to see that there are "good Christians" and "bad Christians"

Are you saying that ALL of the one BILLION+ muslims that populate this planet are bad because of the actions of a few radicals?

Interesting.. this ignorance never seems to end.


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Religion all together is the enemy if you ask me. Why can't we all just be a good person and wait to die to see whats in store for us instead of listening to people preach about things that they don't follow them selfs.

If the people werent religious they would use a other excuse to do the same actions.

Islam and Muslim have inspired people for over a thousnad years and i can seee why it continues to grow. And it is true it does make people rather violent (look how the army of Saladeen fought) but i dont think it will cause any lasting damage unlike Christianity.

No it doesnt make you violent. Saladeen was fighting against invaders how do you want to attack them not violently when they occupy your lands? For then most islamic armies fought allot less violent than the christian countries. Whcih plundered and raped. Killed all people including christians while Saladeen just occupied and let most people live if not all.