Hidden Hand Message - Law Of One - Discussion!

what of those who do battle for some higher self/family, contacts through mind or for those who then do abominable acts in the name of gods or their inner resonating forces.

not all are light and being many as one with contacts of others and the roles each play is not lessons for reaching any higher self/combined status, it is only as said, a path of egoism and a self need for recognition for oneself.

many as one but not as one, only those who control or are the stronger force will get thier way wether it resonates with one/all or not any but who is the one in charge.

pure light needs no evil and so being only a fraction of a whole is in no way acceptable for light to exist and even though love might be shown does not give one the rights of existing as light or lessons learned through a higher force other than themselves.

forces which can manipulate and change all reasoning and will, actions of self and beliefs of understanding, these are the controls in place and not easily broken for true enlightenment, pureness of light.
if it truely exists.

reply to post by redgy


Your Higher Self can only be reached on a high love frequency channel, much the same way, when you have a very positive thought the sun will shine and light up the room. Note there are no coincidences, and also in prayer or searching for the best and highest way to handle a situation.

So if someone is being guided by an entity that is not themselves, lit up form within, (you know when it happens) on the love channel, and isnt recieving the most positive messages about turning all negative thoughts around into positive, and see things peaceful. Speak love, peace, see all around you as you would wish, progressing in love and peace, getting along and helping each other.

If you're getting a different sort of message, its not Higher Self, its an entity.

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by jeanvaljean

 

I embrace my ego. I'm not good at pretending it's not there. If the Creator didn't want us to have egos to be perfected I think we would never have egos to begin with.

Am I evil for thinking the homeless man would get pissed off and ask for money instead so he could buy drugs?

Everyone needs a healthy Ego. I get really annoyed when some in these discussions talk like Ego is evil. Ego simply means "I" "Self". If you are gonna be benevolent to others - - you better be a Healthy Whole Person First - - or ya just might lose all of you.

I think you are realistic for thinking a homeless man might use money for drugs or alcohol. Best solution - - give them food cards from fast food chains.

I don't get all Airie Fairie about all this stuff. I find it unnecessary.

I tell ya - - that hardest thing I ever had to learn - - is ya have to live in this world first.

Originally posted by redgy
what of those who do battle for some higher self/family, contacts through mind or for those who then do abominable acts in the name of gods or their inner resonating forces.

You know the saying: "Only God can judge"

I would say "Do not presume to know who is working for the Light by their earthly actions".

It is possible - they are a challenge to you - to see your actions.

reply to post by Annee


I agree with you, ego is ID, its our identity. Having healthy self esteem leads to living your dreams or having a productive life and happy, healthy children, low self esteem to misery often. The only unhealthy ego is one who who puts themselves above others, not as equals.

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Annee

 

I agree with you, ego is ID, its our identity. Having healthy self esteem leads to living your dreams or having a productive life and happy, healthy children, low self esteem to misery often. The only unhealthy ego is one who who puts themselves above others, not as equals.

Yes. There is Light (spirit) Equal and then there is Earth Equal or In-Equality.

Basically meaning "in spirit" All is Equal. In physical - equality is a little trickier. When you reach out to help someone who is not physically equal - - remember to reach out to them from Spirit Equal.

Sounds tricky - doesn't it

I was a receptionist/switchboard operator for a few years.

I remember - I would put my self "in light" and say I Love You before answering the phone.

'Cuz believe me - - you begin to intensely not want that phone to ring - - after a while. (LOL - notice how I avoided saying the "H" word).

Its important to put yourself "in light" when reaching out to someone.

reply to post by Annee


What a wonderful preparation. This can only help more than we could realize. Will try this, need to remember more often to think light. What my Higher Self told me during a mishap when I was very tired/ill and not good at handling, basically she took charge and lit me up from the inside and I was filled energy and warmth and light and the room brighened adn she said, to be a warm and loving sunbeam , and shine. So when things are harder I try to reach inside, to the sunlight welling up, within my soul, and gain peace in the situation. I often say to myself, peace, love. Several times, if the kids are fighting for example.

Its one of the reasons I take things to the persons Higher Self, for though it may not seem like it, everyone has a team watching over, and there is a purpose to our lives, and we don't want to blunder in, but add our prayers for light to shine and love to reach those in need, and I do believe in miracles. But also I know its team work, and don't want to interere with a perfect plan in place already.

reply to post by Unity_99


Yes. I do it automatically - - its like an Extra Kick.

Not that I don't try to be "in light" consciousness all the time. But - LOL - its rarely visible on the physical outside. I definitely do not wear flowing purple robes . California beach girl - jeans/shorts & t-shirt.

However - any visualization can be used. Just do it until it becomes automatic.

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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Unity_99

 

I agree Unity, it is a good thing to know we need to work on our selves.

But it can mislead others when they are trying to better themselves, for a 'self' gain in the end. Such as seeking salvation or ascension.

Hope and faith that all in good time, we find our way, are loved unconditionally...I think helps people to understand why some ways are better then others.

Im not saying ALL people that are looking for ascension have wrong intentions on their path...Im just saying that it can cause some to 'think' they are waling a path of Service to others, and blind them that they are really seeking a path of service to self.

Their intent, in the end, was for the 'self'.

This is not bad...or wrong...for it shows how perfect this experience works, in the veil. Showing what they core of a person's being is still in need of or not in need of. Many may think they are walking a path in service to others, because they are feeling the love, sharing themselves, wishing for all positive things here....but their deepest intent still may be doing all of the above, in the end, for the gain of 'self'.

They would not even know it...and should not know it...for if they are still in need of the path of self, that is what their core being will strive for, and an offering of what they are still in need of will be welcomed when they are removed from the body complex.

Again, just personal thoughts, no right or wrongs...always a joy conversing.

brilliant post.star.

I see shades of myself in what you descirbe quite a bit,unfortunately. Although, if the spiritual teachers/family would prove to me that I will get no rewards or ascension either way after this life, that would not change the way I act and react to people.So for me,I do what I do not for the ascension or any awards, but rather because I feel I want to do it. I also dislike forcing myself into anything,even if I know I will get a reward for it.
It's sort of like....train your body a lot,and then you'll win over that woman you love as well as get that prize and muhc money for the world cup in bodybuilding lol. I mean,I know I'd strive for my own good,but still,in the end, if I REALLY DONT WANT TO train at all, then a woman and money will not make me do it still. I'll pass the opportunity for those prizes,because it's not something I want to do truly. So that is a parallel for me. I help people because I feel like it,not because I'll get something for it.

But one thing I didn't udnerstand,your last sentence.
"for if they are still in need of the path of self, that is what their core being will strive for, and an offering of what they are still in need of will be welcomed when they are removed from the body complex."
I realize that that is what the person's core being will strive for, yes,if they are still in need of that path, unknowingly to themselves in fact. But when you say an offering of what they still or are in need of will be welcomed when they die in the human body etc...Do you mean the soul will be happy and EXPECTING, secretly, to get what it wanted all along while inside the human body complex ? Even though it had a STO attitude and did all right,but did it,unknowingly, for hteir own rewards hopefully,after death etc ? Was that your point?

When you said the core being of the person will strive for the path of self,did you mean the SOUL by "core being of the person" or something else?
By that logic,don't you think the soul,having died in the body it was in, will no longer welcome any of the service to self needs it may have had while on Earth( living a STO life,only to unknowingly desire a service to self path,rewards etc),because once back in ones true form,bodiless, the soul udnerstands that it was the masking of the ego,and so it iwll not welcome the STS needs it had unknowingly,secretly, within the human life?

thanks for the elaboration on this

Love,
Valeri

reply to post by Valeri


One thing I would like to ad, is another poster, Lowki, who has said he is sts, and also, remembers alot of his long past, and hellzone, where he bottomed out and the only possibly way out was up and into joy. Now his idea of sts is to always make the people around him as happy as possible for it makes him happy too, and he is wonderful, with really high IQ, out of the box posts, humor, zaniness, positivity, intellect. In short he has a lot going for him.

When looked at from this angle, STS, when you are positive and love to be happy and around happy people, and not wishing to do things that harm you in the end, because you sort of know its a dead end, to keep going negative path, and STO, when you care about others, and help them, and connect, and just feel joy and happiness and thankful for everything, becomes almost the same thing, if wisdom has guided your path.

But I still think of anyone making people around them happy, more STO than they realize.

When a person passes on, feeling they will be rewarded, its not quite the same, for I feel I have family waiting and when I'm able to be what creator/higher self wishes me to be, reach the right stage, I can go home. But, the actual feeling of being in their presenced is joy, and the feelings of going through your life, and being self critical means you don't feel great and confident anyway, you feel humble and self analytical, sad for any harm you may have caused, and care deeply for everyone involved including those here with you and the Family of Light. But there is a feeling of joy in you responding to the love and joy in them, and no matter what happens or if it takes longer than this life time, I'm so grateful for being able to express that exchange with them.

I don't think sto people are extremely confident, but rather humble.

Confidence is based on trust of the self. A positive being has confidence because it is fearless, it has trust in the Creator.


Truly though look around you, all is in constant pure motion - Love. This is the Creator, the Alpha and the Omega, Love.

There is no other essence my friends feel that Love, and channel it through you with radiance, crystallize yourself. This is the goal, to crystallize your self, just as a lump of coal is changed into a pristine diamond (yes, the alchemist's stone), for this is the true goal to - open all centers and shine the Creators Love through your very being in balance and radiance.

Serve others yes, be positive and accepting yes, but most importantly work on yourself so that you can better let the Infinite Love shine brightly from your being to help others. Be the change, and balance yourself as for the balance in microcosm the balance in the macrocosm - Namaste, and remember all is well.

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reply to post by Valeri

But one thing I didn't udnerstand,your last sentence. "for if they are still in need of the path of self, that is what their core being will strive for, and an offering of what they are still in need of will be welcomed when they are removed from the body complex." I realize that that is what the person's core being will strive for, yes,if they are still in need of that path, unknowingly to themselves in fact. But when you say an offering of what they still or are in need of will be welcomed when they die in the human body etc...Do you mean the soul will be happy and EXPECTING, secretly, to get what it wanted all along while inside the human body complex ? Even though it had a STO attitude and did all right,but did it,unknowingly, for hteir own rewards hopefully,after death etc ? Was that your point? When you said the core being of the person will strive for the path of self,did you mean the SOUL by "core being of the person" or something else? By that logic,don't you think the soul,having died in the body it was in, will no longer welcome any of the service to self needs it may have had while on Earth( living a STO life,only to unknowingly desire a service to self path,rewards etc),because once back in ones true form,bodiless, the soul udnerstands that it was the masking of the ego,and so it iwll not welcome the STS needs it had unknowingly,secretly, within the human life?

When I say the core being, Im talking about the very vibration of their being. This could be looked at as a soul I suppose...I would rather call it their vibration or density.

Words limit us, to explain and understand. Language is in-suffice in many situations of things of Spirit.

I think we must have many lives of STS experiences. I really dont think anyone learns about the 'self' and its place to 'other selves' from one life. I see it more like a sifting that occurs...slowly as a self is learing about feelings of guilt, selflishness, pride, greed, lust ect....the mind complex raises it vibrations as it learns to create a positive exsistence of self.

Self is not bad, its needed, and there is much to learn on that path. The reason I brought it up here, about ascension ect...is there are alot of people that ill read this thread that are striving for ascension of the self and I feel the need to let them know that this path is no different then the salvation of self in religions.

I dont think there is such a thing as being 100% service to others while in a body complex...I think people like Jesus were pretty close though.

Outside the body complex, the mind/spirit complex see's things with a Divine Eye, it see's perfection, it see's that everything experienced in that body complex was absolutely needed. They reflect, and understand what ever is still in need for learning, will be offered. I dont think they will then automatically walk a path of STO. This experience here is perfect for us to 'not know and not understand'. Even though while in our prime self, looking with the Divine Eye, we understand everything....does not mean that will create a life of STO in the next experience.

We still reap what we sow. This is how we sift out our vibration. Eventually the mind complex does carry with it burried memories/imprints that will seem not so much like a memory, but a second nature to them. After some time of reaping seeds of greed or pride ect....the inner vibration will sift out a nature within them that greed and pride seem like awkward behaviors, just not right, would feel like going against the grain very much so for a person that has reaped those seeds many times.

Even though we have understanding through the Divine Eye in our Prime Self experience....does not mean we will carry back into a incarnation all the right answers. We learn though experience, without memory of 'right pths'. Our Prime self may know the right ways....but it is our mind/soul vibration that must learn these things without being given the answers, on own free will.

Ive seen people pass over and have great experience, Ive seen them be shown their wrongs....and Ive seen them come back still not able to work on those wrongs. So I think it takes a while, a sifting, a mulling over, and over, for some.

The choice has to be made while in this experience, for there has to be understanding of the choice.

People say that the service of self is needed and some say this is the highest path. Yes, its needed. But I dont think its the highest path. How, is we are ONE, can we keep wanting to 'leave' all our other selves that are still learning? Could the idea of a 'home' be a test, to the self....to see where it is sifting and measuring the 'needs and desires' of self over the 'needs and desires' of others?? If a person claims they understand ONENESS.....why do they strive for a place separate from here, better then here, calling it home and leaving their other selves? How can a mind/spirit complex relax and enjoy a existence of 'self' in some utopia....when other selves are still learning? I think this is a test...I think that the higher self can offer what seems to be memories (but are really deep desires) to a self....to see if they have understanding of the need of service to others. How can we leave, our selves???? Read that again....if everyone here is a part of you, in Spirit, they are one with you.....how can you leave them? Why would you leave them? The reason to think about leaving is for the 'self' singular....and this shows they do not fully except oneness in Spirit.

People talk about a family of light. How is this so, the highest path? How is any sort of separation from other selves, a higher path? People say, well we all have a family of light, but a family, offers the idea of still 'separate selves' amongst other 'separate selves'. This is still showing, there is not a full understanding of oneness, without separation, a oneness that returns to it self. Our Spirit (we all share it) went out through offering of self....and we must return to Spirit, in offering of self.

Those that seek a 'home' and 'rest'....I think they do receive temporary rest, what ever they need to regain strength. But I think when the time comes they try to leave here....and seek something beyond their OWN SELVES, I think they will rebound here like a rubber band...I think they will see as long as other selves are still learning, this is where they need to offer to be. This is very hard to set the self aside, and offer the 'self' to the all, for what ever purpose the Spirit is in need of. The purpose is for the Spirit....what the Spirit needs, which is what the ONE needs. Its hard to let go of self and I think it talks alot of experiences to finally except the 'all' as the self.

The ones setting tests here, are not negative beings. They are still a part of the higher plan. Its a way to test understanding at its core, love at its core, forgiveness at its core.

The reason I speak out against the path of ascension, is I feel I came here with many of my other selves to take a test. That test, is the 'want' for ascension. If they say they really do understand oneness in Spirit, then I dont think they are still in need of the path of self anymore and that maybe they can catch a glimpse beyond that path and offer themselves back. I think that is what Earth is needing right now, a offering back to Spirit on a higher scale then what has been in the past. I really do think it is always the case of 'few find the way'-few find the will, for the path of Spirit, path of other selves. Gurus' and such keep telling these people that they still need to work on the 'self' and ascension is a good thing for that. Ascension can happen anytime after a death....it is not a specific 'time' or 'event' that can only happen at certain intervals in history and future. This makes no sense that many came here to seek a time of ascension. It makes more sense that the ascension is a test/marker, just like religions are....to mark the true understanding of that soul/mind complex.

Our higher self doesnt only offer us things of good truths, it also offers us challenges and catalysts or events that can result in a strong catalysts....to teach us and sift us. These memories people claim of other galaxies, other existences.....I honestly do not trust. Not saying these people are people I cant trust, but I cant say that a higher self is not testing them as well....as a marker, to pull out their true desires and wants. It may take many lives to sift out the pureness in the Spirit, the perfection of Spirit, what the Divine Eye see's as needed.

Very deep topic and it may even be offending to some....I dont mean anything personal to anyone...I only offer to my other selves what I have understood and found on my path in this life, for me, its truth, but I dont claim it as a truth for others. If it resonates with you, you will know.

I think alot of the 'channeled' materials that came out are a marker of a challenge....its not so much truth as in it will bring out the true vibration of the mind/soul being....if it still seeks for the self, then that is what it will find through the new age teachings or even use a older teaching, like religion. If they dont understand the fullness of service to others yet, for Spirit.....this will show in what they excepted in 'belief' and 'faith'.

Some will say, well if we cant leave here, then that is a prison, slave planet.

This again, only is a marker, showing what they dont understand.

We chose this...we in our prime selves, understand all of the offerings of duality and this experience, as ONE, as Spirit.

LV

reply to post by Unity_99


Hello Unity,

I noticed that you used the word 'creator' and higher self as if they were one in the same.

From what I experienced, the higher self was still separate form, not ONE, not 'creator'. The higher self is connected still as individuals, not being ONE just yet. I think we all have a higher prime self, a self that already understands it all and knows what we need, and may offer us challenges that will help us in what we need.

Just thoughts
LV

reply to post by LeoVirgo


Infinity and my downloads made everything fall into place, but everyone has a different view, so its not important to push one view, because what to believe in a planet like earth with the mainstream religions warring, and so many easily distracted by the divide and conquer techniqes, and judging and blaming each other is less important than reaching the next grade of love.

But yes, Higher Selves are our Future Selves, and they are the Creators/Designers/Teachers and overlook this system, they are also way over everones heads in it, the real ones programming things, and are in control of things ultimately as to when we pass over, could intervene on any cosmic disaster if we love enough, and reach the next grade. But they are also hard on us too, an unloving lower level thought cannot return home to them yet, until has reached the right level to.

I don't want to keep explaining the quantum, I've attempted to address infinity several times, and yes my HS showed me how infinity equalizes everyone. We are the Infinite Family of Light. This is being given from my own perspective not to be a stumbling stone to any other, by the way. All consciousness/souls, stretch endlessly in both directions, and because they are infinte, in an infinity have no beginning or ending, and are = in size (if there is a size to infinity) to the ifinity itself. If you were a creator and plucked soul essence from yoruself that being would instantly stretch endlessly, without beginning or ending and be = to the infinity itself. Your child would equal you.

So we a Family of Creators, and Infnite number of them, all love, past these lower level tests, in unity, and thet are us, our Future walks in the journey of the neverending story. We are past clips/memories of their lives.

They guide and assist. Higher Self is Mohter/Father to you, and Higher Self's Higher Self, is Grandmother/Grandfather. You also have many many Brothers and Sisters, and Uncles and Aunts, and so forth and so on, and infinite number of Family, who love each other profoundly, with light and joy rising up within at each others greetings and presence.

But that is what I've been shown. I am very happy, because I belive in absolute equality, no pyramids, and the reality of the inverted pyramid, or empowerment to the infinite many and love is a wonderful thing, and all based on Quantum physics/metaphysics and infinity.

For anyone who wishes to see Creator as well, just remember to equalize everyone in all things and realize that it doesnt matter what grade you're in, everyone = the entire infinity theoreotically, they're just in one clip of their journey. Our Highly Advanced Future Selves, ie. Higher, Higher, Higher Selves are the ones who create the infinite number of universes. This one has a Prime Creator as well, a very highly developed wonderful Being, technically both Mother and Father as well.

The strange thing is, one persons concept can be a stumbling block for another, just as their concepts, stifled and held me back.

But that is what occurred when I meditated/contemplated "infinity", a month of constant Higher Self contact and welling up within, and downloads each day where more and more was explained.

And it made my heart sing to know that we are Family, Equal, and Love each other and that the goal of our lessons in this cosmic school is to really reach higher grades love, turn the other cheek, assist others ,GIVE, and desire, yearn for, strive for equality for all.

If someone can do this believing in a nonwarring, not harsh Creator, and feels this is right for them, then they should.

To me Jesus/Yeshua, was a most wonderful Teacher, who has come many times, a very advanced Higher Higher Self, to show us the way, and because he spoke such words of love and was able to heal and shine light, he drew many. Consequently he was chosen by Rome for the crowd appeal for their next sungod.

When I meditated and was standing on the poster of the universe, then reset it and was shown a trapdoor of the ceiling of the universe (both times I was taken out), I was in a half way place, bathed in white light with muted colors underneath, a village square. Yeshua was there, I have often felt his presence. And an elderly guide or Grandfather who asked me what I had learnt in this lifetime and drew me towards a building to discuss this with him. I woke up from the vision then.



[edit on 31-8-2010 by Unity_99]

What I was shown is all relating to the nature of infinity itself, that all things are infinite in infinity endless, without beginning or ending. That inanimate objects, such as toasters, minerals, and even bodies, all recycle). There are infinite cycles, and infinite cylces for planet earth for example as well, and the many other trillions upon trillions like it. The bodies are suits souls borrow. They are not ours and we don't keep them. In No Time, in the beyond, these runs are all at once, hence the idea of alternative timelines, but they are progressive in sequence of events to our consciousness. Though when we reach the levels Beyond the Veil and outside this universe, what some call Heaven, we will also be able to operate more with the concept of No Time.

Instead of One creator, there are Infinite Equal Family. We cannot join back into One and lose our consciousness either, individuality, for the metaphorical roll of our lives is endless without beginnign or ending, and that would be an ending. The only possible merging is with our own Tree, our own Higher Self, if we were a projection or part of Higher Self, in which case, we would simply become, more of ourselves, for our Souls Grow Brighter and Expand Larger as we progress.

Progression is LOVE. Profound Love that turns the other cheek.

What about people without the brain chemistry to feel love? Are they destined to fail school and repeat this corporeal nonsense?

I think you are saved by the grace of God, not through your good works (STO actions). But that's just me.

Originally posted by 547000
What about people without the brain chemistry to feel love? Are they destined to fail school and repeat this corporeal nonsense?

I think you are saved by the grace of God, not through your good works (STO actions). But that's just me.

Some people think everything is perfect (in the physical world). That we make our choices before we come here and everything - every challenge - is perfect as it was planned.

I don't agree. I do agree we plan our time and path here. But creating a physical human is extremely complex - and I think errors are made.

IMO - if an unplanned error is made - the human in that body is not held responsible for actions directly related to the physical error.

Thought is responsible for thought. What you are capable of thinking and actions of that thinking - - are accountable.

reply to post by 547000


Love is more than a feeling. There are many with bipolar and various wiring, and for some that seems to be a very hard test they're going through. Love is more than emotion, its intent and action as well.