Hidden Hand Message - Law Of One - Discussion!

reply to post by AdonaiChristBless


I am not a fan of teaching ascension ideas and here is why.

When a person feels that they are working towards a 'award' or something they 'long/wish' for....are their intentions then to get there...really true intents?

Similar to religions...and the desire for 'salvation' and rewards in heaven.

When we are seeking after rewards...are intentions seem to become masked, we think we are doing good...for we are doing what the 'material' says we need to do to reach that 'reward'...but the masking covers what we need to face within ourselves.

I just dont find it healthy to 'seek' ascension or salvation. The reward/punishment ideal leads us to go after things sometimes with no true intent of doing the 'right thing' They are more likely to do the 'right thing' to gain their reward, not understanding why the 'path that is' IS.

Even though you might do what is needed....without understanding of why that path IS the positive path...what has one learned?

[edit on 23-8-2010 by LeoVirgo]

reply to post by Valeri

From my perspective:

I still have a lot of selfishnes within me,then I also have no soul
I HAVE NO SOUL.

Hi Valeri,

One that questions/reasons about having a 'soul' has a 'soul.'

'AI' (artificial intelligence) does not question/reason with itself if it has a 'soul.'

Best Wishes!

reply to post by LeoVirgo

I feel the same way about the ascension, this is individual and happens all the time for people when they progress, usually the viel lifts, for ascension is not usually something that occurs in body, but raising frequeny does. And I've already experienced what raising frequency means and that all should seek this, for their answers, and inner connections come along with the desire to avoid those things that are negative and of lower vibration. It connects them to themselves. When contact occurs often your frequency is raised as well, ahead of time, very very rapid influx of fine inner vibrations.

Could a world wide shift in consciousness occur that would be ascension? Perhaps.

I had a meditational experience that turned into the SHFT, and was ascension,it surprised me, a great deal. There are many ways this could happen however, including a disaster, where Higher Self, may elect to remove you quickly from the scene and you are in another channel. In this mediation, the vision I had was for my entire family. It happened in the twinkling of an eye.

But as to seeking to change behavior, you seem to be suggesting this makes people off the hook.

Seeking to change behavior is always needed. Most in religons do so out of fear of consequence. There is no difference in seeking to change behavior for Ascension or for a traditional religon.

From a Higher perspective, many here are recycling karmically,and are on many repeat, reruns of the DVD, like Groundhog Day, and they have family here, nudging them, waking them up. If you are consciously aware, and the inspiration is accepted within you, to do something about your life, due to contact, dreams, nudges, or learning about ascension and being drawn to it, then this means you are working consciously towards a purpose and have made a choice.

Ideas are like that too. We don't learn in a vacuum. We bounce ideas off each other, and in an environment where people speak up and share their dreams, inspirations, thoughts, experiences, some are drawn immediately for it activates light, clarity, joy in their hearts.

Primarily because we come down as a team in a very negative hard place, to help each other. Its a combination of teamwork, being inspired by the idea that strikes our heart, and this works only when there are many ideas, not a few controlled ones out there, where many are sharing their insights and truths, and seeking, searching, within, to connect to their Higher Self.

From Higher Perspective, the job is to get us out of here. For us to learn our lessons and improve and Love.


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reply to post by Unity_99

I disagree with this line of reasoning. Though your other post I did, for ascension is not usually something that occurs in body, but raising frequeny does. And I've already experienced what this means and that all should seek this, for their answers, and inner connections come along with the desire to avoid those things that are negative and of lower vibration. It connects them to themselves. Could a world wide shift in consciousness occur that would be ascension? Perhaps. I had a meditational experience that turned into the SHFT, and was ascension,it surprised me, a great deal. There are many ways this could happen however, including a disaster, where Higher Self, may elect to remove you quickly from the scene and you are in another channel. But as to seeking to change behavior, you think this makes people off the hook. Seeking to change behavior is always needed. Most in religons do so out of fear of consequence. There is no difference in seeking to change behavior for Ascension or for a traditional religon.

Hi Unity! Your disagreement is welcomed

Raising frequency does not mean ascension, from what I understand. We can raise frequencies many many times throughout life.

I would call your experience a 'convergence' with a higher self of you, which you raising your vibration, allows higher complexes of your Spirit/mind to converge. From what I understand, this is not an ascension and ascension happens only after the being has a overview of their life without the veil around them. For it is only then they know their intentions while in the body complex, being able to observe their true intents. While in the body complex, we do not have full grasp of our intentions, of our core being...we might think we do though.

After death, every soul has a overview, a reflection moment on their experience....and without the veil, there is much that can be admitted to where the ego masked them in the body complex.

Seeking to change behavior is needed....but not for 'gaining' something as in wants or desires. It needs to be humble, a understanding of 'why' the path is higher then the other paths.

You are right, there is no difference in seeking to change for ascension or religion, they are both the same. A person trying to 'do right' because they want to gain something...not so much always because they just understand it to be the right way with the core of their vibration.

If there was no salvation, no ascension....why would beings do 'right'? Because they just feel within them its a better way, right? Without reward, without personal gain, without a motive for the 'self'.

reply to post by LeoVirgo

From my perspective:

From what I understand...harvest can happen at any time after a complex experiences 'death'.

That it is not something that happens while 'alive' in a body complex but something that happens when one is ready, after learning what they need to learn.

Hi LeoVirgo well said - when a 'soul' has learned what it intended to learn/experience and is ready to move onto the next level it will be taken from the vehicle/body and move on.

Soul advancement/progression comes on a 'personal level.'

However there are periodic cycles of change that can occur affecting everyone on a physical/spiritual level and from my perspective this is what most refer to as 'The Harvest.'

Im not here to debate on it....just sharing.

Yes of course me neither and we feel the same way about this. We are here to simply share and discuss our thoughts and feelings with each other and from my perspective it should always be done in a respectful, polite and friendly manner.

I enjoy your posts and thanks for the great contributions you've made to this thread.

Best Wishes!

reply to post by AdonaiChristBless

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reply to post by LeoVirgo


My point is its a good thing, to have an awareness that one must change their behavior. Also, when meditating to raise frequency, raising it occurs best in nature, happy moments, laughter, joy, love, hugs, meditation, and it raises the more love output we give, the more we work on seeing everyone as light under the masks we all wear. Ho'onoponopono (a big word, lol) and whales and dolphins sounds raised mine so high I was in a fine light rapid field and brought wonderful contact with my Family of Light. Every negative thought was turned around, if I was feeling overburdened and self critical, they would step in and brighten the entire room, with great warmth, and love, and encourage me, tell me to let the sunshine well up within me, and to use humor with the children, to always see, envision the positive. And joy just shoots through me, tears of happiness, and so grateful, can't even begin to explain how much gratitude I feel.

But my frequency only began to raise when I started doing medtiations for ascension. Now I find, the connection within is so much more important, and just ways to shine love and light always, to turn the negative around, to make good on relationships, to always strive to find a way.

Oh and I'm just drinking my coffee and edited the post you quoted from the previous reply, because I thought, I had worded it awkwardly, my thyroid condition makes it harder to sort through words, the overall sorting and organizing part is affected, so I often have to go back and reword. I really enjoy most of your posts, and didn't like the sound of it myself.

Love & Light!



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reply to post by Unity_99


I agree Unity, it is a good thing to know we need to work on our selves.

But it can mislead others when they are trying to better themselves, for a 'self' gain in the end. Such as seeking salvation or ascension.

Hope and faith that all in good time, we find our way, are loved unconditionally...I think helps people to understand why some ways are better then others.

Im not saying ALL people that are looking for ascension have wrong intentions on their path...Im just saying that it can cause some to 'think' they are waling a path of Service to others, and blind them that they are really seeking a path of service to self.

Their intent, in the end, was for the 'self'.

This is not bad...or wrong...for it shows how perfect this experience works, in the veil. Showing what they core of a person's being is still in need of or not in need of. Many may think they are walking a path in service to others, because they are feeling the love, sharing themselves, wishing for all positive things here....but their deepest intent still may be doing all of the above, in the end, for the gain of 'self'.

They would not even know it...and should not know it...for if they are still in need of the path of self, that is what their core being will strive for, and an offering of what they are still in need of will be welcomed when they are removed from the body complex.

Again, just personal thoughts, no right or wrongs...always a joy conversing.

Im eating a cookie with some milk and laughing

Ascension is quiet debatable and has many options to it, but the true ascension is when you shed your physical form and become a floating ball of light. It is quiet beautiful thing to witness and achieve. Many Atlantians did it as far as I was told but there is not much information of where they are now.

Love and Light

reply to post by LeoVirgo


What I find is a self absorption, a wish to save themselves, not realizing they often came to make good on past relationships and with family, to reach people, to learn to give, to love.

That if they were able to ascend that way, focused on self, they would find themselves in the Universal Understanding, natural telepathy, and feel so sorry for those left behind, that in a future incarnation, that they would gladly join lower densities to nudge others to love and give more, and care about the world, and see through it.

Yes, I've noted a STS element in the ascension group as well, but not all.

[edit on 23-8-2010 by Unity_99]

From my perspective:

reply to post by LeoVirgo

Hi LeoVirgo,

I would call your experience a 'convergence' with a higher self of you, which you raising your vibration, allows higher complexes of your Spirit/mind to converge. From what I understand, this is not an ascension and ascension happens only after the being has a overview of their life without the veil around them. After death, every soul has a overview, a reflection moment on their experience

I agree 100% well said

If there was no salvation, no ascension....why would beings do 'right'? Because they just feel within them its a better way, right? Without reward, without personal gain, without a motive for the 'self'

I just had a discussion on this last night with a few people in our area that are very religious Christian church goers.

People should do things not for a 'reward' or because they have to based on rules/commandments etc but because they sincerely/genuinely choose/desire to do those things with no expectations/strings attached.

As you eloquently put it, without reward, personal gain or motive for themselves but out of genuine desire and true intent.

Lots of Love to you,
Best Wishes!

reply to post by ET_MAN


Thank you always for your kind words ( I caught what you said about me in a earlier post, very observant and kind, thank you....about my family).

Thank you for your encouragement and discourse...I do believe a group has came here together to help nudge eachother...all coming from a higher density but having to come here to make a choice.

Ironically the choice the person thinks they are making may not be the choice their deepest self is making and its still works perfectly.

I thought I had you as a friend (on the list that is....eternally, I know we are)...so I added you today.

My best always
LV

Have a great day everyone!

[edit on 23-8-2010 by LeoVirgo]

Well the convergence makes perfect sense too, for many times Higher Self wells up within me like a spring of water, swelling up, but more akin to sunshine really, more of me within.
That shft in my meditation did seem to be a very large shift in who I was my entire personality transformed, but I felt like myself when Higher Self was emerging within. I just don't know how to put it well.

For me, the need to change is based on feeling sorrow for the world, for the pain, for taking responsiblity to understand in dramas how I played my part and hurt others, even when I may not see it, I still wish to take the greater resposnibilty, and strive to improve all misunderstandings or resentments and help. Not to wait for the other, but see it from their perspective. I always feel like so many opportunities have been wasted yet in other ways have gained in wisdom in other areas, and more compassion. So I also try to bless my difficulites, to learn from them for they are teachers as well. I guess its safe to say I am very self critical, but whenever my moods plunge down, sunshine wells up and I get pep talks and really positive instruction, to always turn this around, to be good to myself and kids, to be more light hearted and not to see this in a negative way at all.

Guides, Family, contact occurs frequently. One day, was feeling somewhat depressed over my life circumstances, and more important what I had perceived as the wrong choices. It was over cast and thick cloud cover. Instantly, at the door, the Family greeted me and encouraged me, and lit my heart, my room, my day up, and gave me the strongest signs of love and not heavy self examination, but joy, laughter, humor, light hearted warmth and positivity. I looked up and the sun was beaming a huge glow through the clouds for the first and only time that day.

Frequency has a lot to do with more awareness, but our Family does take any opportunity to reach us, wishing us to wake up as quickly as possible. I'm just about in tears here, so much gratitude.

They do not waste a moment, not even a second. Its also why we cant control what others say, their inspirations and visions and contact, is all for a reason, even if the person is confused about it. For many, its encountering an alternative thought, one that perhaps they don't even agree with, but their Family can take that moment when a new ideas was introduced, and give them dreams and lead them further in their lives, so we're really a big team, bouncing our insights off each other, sharing, and our Family loves us so much, they will go to any lengths to reach us.



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reply to post by Unity_99


Will humans on Mother Earth Gaia ever live in true peace and harmony?

reply to post by sphinx551


Its a school though so, I don't quite know the answers. To me, as there billions like this, with all these problems, on this level, it should be natural that if, enough chose to progress a planet, it should progress, perhaps that would eventually be planetary ascension even. But I believe that it depends on what the Designers/Creators have in store, what this is about on that level, even perhaps, what already has occurred.

From Higher Self perspective outside the veil, in No Time, this is a past event, and even in one of my et contacts, a checkup, that was told me as well. So in a sense, we truly are coming into this world, software program, dvd, with a set of crayons, coloring up the scenes, like Groundhog Day, our way, but....the outlines exist already.

For in infinity, all things are infinite, so are the replays or cycles.

I don't know what the final pages of the coloring book are like.

But know the help we can receive when we find the way, we all are able to receive so much help that it just makes me want to cry again,its so wonderful, if only people start to look within and reverse engineer their difficulties and really seek to let the sunshine well up within them, so much help is here for them both from Beyond and from Higher Ups in the cosmos.

But that last question depends on past events.

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reply to post by sphinx551


Well, from my own knowledge and experiences, it depends. Next year, the final year before 2012, a "harvest" is meant to finish upon Earth. Those who have the correct vibration will enter 4th density (from my interpretations. Correct me, others, if I am wrong or misguided)

Those who don't, will have to continue in 3rd density form.

The Law of One (Ra material)

[edit on 23-8-2010 by infinite]

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by sphinx551

 

Those who have the correct vibration will enter 4th density

How would that "feel" like do you think? Would it feel like nothing happened at all? Would some people "disappear" and that's all? Didn't Hidden-Hand say that the "lukewarms" would experience "zero-point time" to feel at one with the Creator in 2012? That's interesting.

In my opinion, this is one of the most interesting things Hidden-Hand said:

Originally posted by Hidden_Hand
And the planet will complete it's Ascension to the Fourth Density, the vibrational Density of Love. During this Ascension, there will be a three way split for those Souls inhabiting Earth. Those of the predominantly Negative Polarity, will accompany us as we Graduate through the Negative (or Service to Self) Harvest. We (Lucifer) will Create a new 4th Density Earth, based on the Negative Self Service Polarity. We must 'work off' our own part of the Negative Karmic effect incurred from all the Negativity created on this planet. Once we have done so, we will be released to once again assume our place as Sixth Density Guardians and Teachers of Wisdom throughout the Galaxy.

Those of the predominantly Positive Polarity (Love and Light) will Ascend to a beautiful new 4th Density Earth, where you will begin to work upon your learning and demonstrating of Love and Compassion. It will be a very beautiful and "Golden" Age. The 4th Density begins to open you up to your True Powers as a unique individualized aspect of The One Infinite Creator. You will perform works and wonders of the like that the one you call "Jesus" promised you would do "and even greater things than these". It will be a very magical time for you.

For the majority of Humans on the earth who could be considered shall we say "luke warm", they will experience a period of (what will feel 'ecstatic') zero-point time, where you feel totally at One with The Creator, giving you an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who you really are, before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you, and you will be transported to another 3rd Density planet (a kind of 'Earth Replica'), to continue working upon yourselves and learning that life here is all about making choices. You will remain "quarantined" incarnating in 3rd Density matter until the time of the next Harvest; in which time you will need to have proved yourselves that you have learned how to be more Positive Beings, focused more upon being of Service to others, rather than seeking only to Serve yourself. When you can do this, and the next Harvest comes, you will have earned the right to join us, and enjoy your inheritance, as a member of the Galactic Community, and you will sit with us as Brothers and Sisters of The One, around the table of our Galactic Governing Body, the Confederation of Planets.

Source: www.abovetopsecret.com...

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reply to post by sphinx551


Hidden_Hand is 100% accurate and precious in his explanation. To explain how it would "feel", I can only talk from my own personal experiences.

I recall a series of deep meditations -literally hours- and when ending the session, I felt nothing but pure love. I could literally feel everything around me and the world seemed more brighter. The oneness with all life around me, regardless what species, was breathtaking. You could feel the trees, birds and it was just pure love.

Understandably, I was confused. Asked my guide what occurred, he explained I was being prepared and given the taste of what is to come. My vibrations were altering.

Truly one of the most powerful experiences in my life.

Originally posted by AdonaiChristBless
.. . . it is not ones own truth one is to seek but to seek the one truth.

This just resonated with me.

To become one with Pure Energy/Love - - - you must BE Pure Energy/Love.

You can not think it - - - you must BE it.

Live your life from a Pure Heart.

reply to post by Copernicus

From my perspective:

Thank you. Its an interesting time to be here and I believe you are raising a lot of awareness with your posts on ATS. What you posted about the possibility that the elites may have been misled for generations into doing and creating evil is a fascinating idea to me (if I understood it correctly). The implications if you are right are breath taking.

Hi Copernicus,

Everyone on the planet including the 'elite' are capable of being misled/influenced/persuaded into doing things that are 'service to self' 'negative' or 'evil.'

There are always opposite choices/reactions/decisions that one can make.

As a brief example: If someone takes advantage of a person, one can choose to 'let it go' or seek 'payback/revenge.'

There are always multiple choices/decision/ways to react to different situations with opposite spectrum choices such as choosing to 'hate' someone or choosing to 'love' them.

This is where it gets into 'service to self' or 'service to others.'

One who chooses STO's trys harder to overcome those emotions/feelings and put aside their anger when someone takes advantage of them.

On the opposite spectrum 'STS' usually seeks payback/revenge if anyone gets in their way and are usually the one's taking advantage of others in the first place - thinking for themselves, for their own benefit/welfare/gain.

People who do evil to others often justify it to themselves so they believe that they are actually doing something good. They are beating someone to make them tougher, or abusing someone to teach them to behave, or ridiculing someone to make them stop having (to them) absurd ideas. If someone wanted to deceive the elites into doing evil, this would be a brilliant way of doing it. Tell them that it needs to be done for the greater good of humanity. Keep doing what you are doing. You are always fascinating to read since you always give a different perspective than most.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts/feelings with the rest of us.

Best Wishes!