Ahmadinejad challenges Obama to TV debate on solving world's problems

reply to post by Jamiethegreat


I hope you are talking about this guy obama and his white house. After all, his represented country is the only one sick enough to use atomic bombs in war. One of the only countries going to war currently, occupying countries on the other side of the globe.

This sure sounds sick. Acquiring nuclear weapons after your every neighbour has got some sounds like better late then never (mutual assured destruction - everyone is better of)

Fine idea but the fascist government of ours won't agree to anything where they don't already control the outcome before it happens...

Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by Ben81

 

How can they solve world's problems????.....THEY ARE THE PROBLEM !

Really, what problems have Iran caused?

I can't wait to hear this reply.

Sorry my man, but, Iran isn't spreading imperialism throughout the world. Iran hasn't caused an economic collapse of epic proportions. Iran isn't in debt to CHINA for about 4 trillion. Iran isn't in two un-winnable wars. Iran didn't change the geneva conventions to allow for torture. Iran doesn't have an illegal immigration problem. Iran didn't sell weapons of mass destruction to Saddam Hussein. Iran didn't create two wars from utter and complete falsehoods. Iran hasn't been in any wars whatsoever since their tryst with the same guy (Saddam Hussein) that we removed, and paid heavily to bomb...IRAN. Iran didn't create the Iran Contra Affairs. Iran didn't fund the Mujahideen of Afghanistan during their tryst with the Russians. Iran doesn't have illegal holding tanks like Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. Iran hasn't tried to change international laws to allow multi-national corporations to spill their God forsaken oil in our oceans and then block off the media so that no one can know the truth about what is happening.

Who's the problem again?

Here's a little fact of history:

America is still angry about the Iranian Revolution where the Iranians overthrew the American bought puppet, the Shah. The Shah was the standard greedy political monarch (although it is supposedly a "Theocracy"). He readily gave Iranian oil away to Western Powers, for political leverage and prestige for himself (puppet). In turn, this was raping the Iranian people of their own inherited natural resource (oil). Therefore, they took their power back, nationalized THEIR OWN OIL, and used it for purposes of gaining their own profits so that they could feed their own people. To me, that sounds pretty reasonable that they should profit from a natural resource that comes from their own country.

So, if you're still pissed about that, which happened in 1979, then I don't know what to do to heal your wounds. But otherwise, Iran has been a rather peaceful country which has caused no world-wide turmoil.



Just my two cents.



[edit on 3-8-2010 by PsychoX42]

Originally posted by humbleseeker
I wouldnt give Iran the benefit of a talk, I meen give me a break this guy is a threat of course Obama might lower the standards of this great country and "reason" with terrorist because that is all he is. Only reasoning you can do with Ahmadinejad is a nice bullet betwen the eyes.

On what basis do you say that Ahmadinejad is a terrorist? Seriously, that's a grossly irresponsible distortion and slander.

What's your source? Dick Cheney? George Bush? Benyamin Netahyahoo?

The preceding three fit that label as well as if not more than him.

The problem is they're prime real estate. The answer's as simple as that. They know it and they want to hang on to it. Can you blame them?

Originally posted by wcitizen
Just call him AN - it means 'donkey' in Farsi!

No. It means "#" and it's a very offensive appelation.

You don't deserve any acknowledgment or respect if you stoop that low.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

Originally posted by Ben81
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

LOL omg great poster
did you made that ????

oops, no i did not make that!

i don't know who did, found it under images on "Bing" search engine for pictures of Mahmoud.

i should have, and thought i did say that!

i'll edit to note!

sorry if i misled you guys to think my computer artistic skills were more than they are. i found it, and thought i would share.

sorry guys & thanks for correcting me,
et

What are you trying to say or imply? He isn't kissing the other man on the lips. It's not a french kiss or a gay kiss. Do you comprehend what I'm trying in vain to convey to you?

The bottom line is that you're doing nothing more than displaying your cultural ignorance.

Originally posted by fleabit
So, it's ok I guess, to diss Obama, and hope he fails in a debate against the leader of a country who supports laws such as:

www.wfafi.org...


At least Obama has not ordered that any man who kills a woman cannot be executed, unless the victim's family pays the assaulter's family for damages to that person. Because woman are worth by law, half the value of men.

Yea.. let's support these backwards religious fanatics who want nuclear power so they can obliterate all they hate, which is everyone who isn't like them.

It's a different culture whose system has evolved over many centuries, no, millenia. And you blame this one man for the system in which he finds himself. What have you done to make positive change in the system where you live? Can anything you've done compare to anything he has done?

What a show that would be! 2 empty suits with bad intentions flinging their own particular brands of bs & hoping that something sticks somewhere. In the US, as in Iran, there is only a (minor) faction of people who trust & believe in them.
How damn sad! I cannot think of 2 people in office today that would make a debate fit to watch.
Points to An, though, for exposing Obama's campaign stance that he believes in "open dialogue".

Originally posted by dubiousone

The bottom line is that you're doing nothing more than displaying your cultural ignorance.

my cultural ignorance?

having lived in their neck of the woods for more than 3 years, i may be less ignorant of their culture than you give me credit for.

مرحبا أنا نار على رجل الرجاء لا تقتل لي صديق
marh haba, ina radjule itfaa', are jduke loc toc tuni saderee,
et


[edit on 3-8-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Ben81

you like talking without even listenning to the other side

I have listened to the other side. it is people like you who love to claim every dictator in this Earth is good "except the U.S. and Israel"....

Originally posted by Ben81

but they didnt use any nukes on people or they didnt destroy 2 countries (Irak and Afghanistan)

Nope, instead they have been going after nuclear weapons for decades, they have a belief system where they think that the world must be at war, and in chaos in order for their messiah, the madhi, to come back from the well, and in the meanwhile they have been hanging young girls for being raped, or because two men accused them of being prostitutes when all those women did was most probably just refuse these men. They also hang/kill homosexuals, and people who are too critical of the regime...

Originally posted by Ben81

those 2 wars were started by a false flag op to demonize all arab

Really?... last i checked the U.S. is still friends with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and other countries which happen to have "Arab" people...

BTW, if you mean "Islamic extremists" they demonize themselves enough... Just do a search online on how many European countries, and other countries, they have attacked...

Originally posted by Ben81

you dont surprise me with those statements

You are the one that doesn't surprise me with your statements... the same old "you are trying to demonize all Arabs"... when many of the people in Iran who are against the Iranian regime ARE ARAB....

Originally posted by Ben81

i have speak to you before ... you are a one sided debater

Oh right i forget, you also love castro and claim "it isn't so bad in Cuba" even though you have never been there... The one sided debater who has been drinking too much of the "dictators kool-aid" seems to be you buddy...

Originally posted by Ben81
with a blinded love for his regime(usa) actions
but i still have hope on you buddy

I have a love for the Constitution of the United States, and for the ideas that the forefathers of this nation agreed on, which is a lot better than having blind love on castro, che guevara, and other dictators of the world...

BTW, unfortunately i don't have much hope for people like you, you ahve been brainwashed too much and you love it.

[edit on 2-8-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

When you quit the hypocrisy reqarding Israel's possession of an unknown undeclared though large number of nuclear weapons and speak out about its refusal to sign the nonproliferation treaties, your comments might might deserve some recognition.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

Originally posted by dubiousone

The bottom line is that you're doing nothing more than displaying your cultural ignorance.

my cultural ignorance?

having lived in their neck of the woods for more than 3 years, i may be less ignorant of their culture than you give me credit for.

marh haba ina radjule itfaa', are jduke loc toc tuni saderee,
et

[edit on 3-8-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]

Well, then, if your post does not have its roots in cultural ignorance, what was your point? Pure disinformation and slander? What conclusions did you think those who have no knowledge of Iranian culture would draw from your post?

[edit on 8/3/2010 by dubiousone]

Originally posted by dubiousone

Well, then, if your post does not have its roots in cultural ignorance, what was your point? Pure disinformation and slander? What conclusions did you think those who have no knowledge of Iranian culture would draw from your post?

nice questions. do you think i should answer them?



ats is fun,
et

disregard ...


ats is fun,
et

[edit on 3-8-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

Originally posted by dubiousone

The bottom line is that you're doing nothing more than displaying your cultural ignorance.

my cultural ignorance?

having lived in their neck of the woods for more than 3 years, i may be less ignorant of their culture than you give me credit for.

مرحبا أنا نار على رجل الرجاء لا تقتل لي صديق
marh haba, ina radjule itfaa', are jduke loc toc tuni saderee,
et


[edit on 3-8-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]

interesting words there.

"Hello I am a man on fire, please do not kill me as a friend"

a poor transaltion i am sure.....

not sure of what the cultural signifigance is ...would you care to explain.
I have been teaching myself Arabic and Mandarin for awhile.
as i feel they will be two necessary languages.

it that a saying that has a special meaning?

A few things I would like to spew here...

1.Saddam wanted a debate, and we all should know what happened with that.
2.MA is no better than Obama, he is not nearly as, how do you say, "internationally bad" but his own people hate him as much am people here hate Obama.
3.Wether Obama accepts or declines this debate, I believe MA will come on top, simply because of all the stuff he can use against the US they accuse him of (sponsoring terrorism, WMDs, etc)
4.The debate will not happen. Obama does not even have the balls to face Republicans, let alone a Persian.

Oh boy I hope Obama accepts so Ahmadinejad can show him how it's really done. Ahmadinejad is an excellent speaker and has challenged US presidents to debates in the past, all of them refusing. Looks like Obama is no exception. This is a lose-lose situation for Obama.

Iran knows there is a growing troop build up around its borders, Iran may feel an attack is possible at any moment. This US israeli build up maybe is because of US intel that we are not aware of that says the Iran is about do something that the west doesnt want them to do(we can only speculate). perhaps, Iran is trying to buy time, and if all they are trying to buy is a month until september, thats not good, maybe they just need another month to complete a project or program, and then they will comply with US and allies requests regarding there nuke program. at which point it would be to late.

OR... Iran's pres is not the human hating monster the west makes him out to be. And Iran sees an unlawful strike is about to happen. Maybe he does want to move forward and least in babysteps towards peace.
Obama should give him the chance,

PS have you read the posts on the cnn page, regarding this article, unreal how many americans just spew hate and want to bomb and then ask questions. We need to evolve people , If our leaders wont we have to show them how,

Anyone else think all the teleprompter comments are just pathetic?!

Sorry, Obama IS after al the first and only ever politician to use it for a 2,000 word speech...

Ahmedinejad hasn't even said the reason for this. I mean why? To what end?

Political point-scoring is something no leader should be willing to engage in.

That said, it's (very) funny (hilarious even) how the "Obama won't do it because he's a coward" comments don't mention that this is a poisoned political chalice - a convenient preposition. Here's why

He WILL be damned by republicans and Obama haters if he does. They WILL use it to say "Look at your brown leader, he talks with terorists" (even though evidence on Ahmedinejad actualyl BEING a terrorist is non existent) - in preparation for the next election and political point scoring. They WILL also ignore the content (again, conveniently) as I don't know of any political leader as HALF as articulate as Obama.

The ignorants who say "coward" etc know this only too well, and those comments are meant, purely, to be provocative. This much is plainly obvious.

Obama should trump him by suggesting a "world leaders" debate on nuclear proliferation. Nothing too heavy - just ofr everyone to air their principles and put respective domestic pressures on them to uphold their values.

Now Imadinnerjacket would NEVER go for that, because Obama is more aligned with reason than him - a TRULY BALANCED concencus would show that.

If they DO, they must use transcibers and interpreters from neutral states - on both US and Iranian TV networks. That way no replies can be either refuted or distorted - something both sides would otherwise willingly take part in.

[edit on 3/8/2010 by TailoredVagabond]

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


lol ok maybe my hopes in you just plunged into a big black dark hole now

why do you say im saying that Iran is the good guys ...
they stone peoples and hang peoples because of some adultery actions

you have to compare the 2 countries ...
which one have killed more innocent people ?? USA
which one have spread lies to go into war ?? USA
which one have used NUKES on innocent people (womens and children included)
which one have used banned weapons on civilians ... DU,phosphorous,sub munitions bombs and the infamous agent orange
which one are occupating countries and spending OUR tax dollars
which one is hated by billions today ....but could have been the hero countries it was supposed to be ...

the reasons of that is not making peace worldwide ... its to implement a global worldwide dominance or fear
they expend their empire with force

but its not USA fault ... yes i beleive that
since Israel control the USA regime actions like a puppet
its the regime who have been brainwashed by the zionism entity
3/4 of the US congress are Pro-zionist and Pro-War

dont you have any doubt in you ??
about who is the bully today ... its clearly not Iran
it is Israel with the help of the USA

you say i love Castro ... NO .. but i respect the guy more than Bush and & Obama combined


[edit on 8/3/2010 by Ben81]