URGENT: Japanese tanker explodes near Strait of Hormuz

reply to post by crimsongod21


Me for one! That's what I said in a previous post. I wanna see what the damage looks like before making a judgement call.

reply to post by boondock-saint


On an Oil Tanker, there is Vapour EVERYWHERE. That's why, as part of Standard Operating Procedure, when Loading/Discharging, ALL windows in the Superstructure must be kept closed to stop Vapour from entering said Superstructure. When at sea, there is less Vapour PPM (Parts Per Million), but still enough to cause an explosion.

Originally posted by silent thunder
But wait a miunte...the first media mention of this was a few hours ago, as far as I can tell, and the incident itself happened soemthing like 12 hours earlier, right? Seems to be an unusually *slow* release of news IMHO.

Or am I confused here?

well 9/11 was a lil different cuz we saw it develop
live on TV so it was in real time and it was in a major
city. This is in international waters so 12 hrs is rather
fast in an isolated location like the strait.

To be honest, while this is a story to watch, things look like they're getting far more heated in both China and in Afghanistan and Pakistan than in/over Iran. Take a look at my recent threads. Afghanistan and Pakistan are PISSED over the leaks. Congress just approved $33B in more war funds.

And a plane crashed in Pakistan. This isn't a plug. But I always ask...where do they want your eyes looking...while other things go on.




[edit on 7/28/2010 by ~Lucidity]

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

On an Oil Tanker, there is Vapour EVERYWHERE. That's why, as part of Standard Operating Procedure, when Loading/Discharging, ALL windows in the Superstructure must be kept closed to stop Vapour from entering said Superstructure. When at sea, there is less Vapour PPM (Parts Per Million), but still enough to cause an explosion.

if there was vapor EVERYWHERE
then there would be no designated
smoking areas anywhere on board.

reply to post by butcherguy


Yes but Iran was at war. During the war, Iran and Iraq attacked each other tankers. The US wanted to secure the route for merchant marine, specifically tankers and was on Saddam's side. Iran couldn't control the strait and blockade Iraq only sea access. They tried to mine the strait to prevent the US navy to secure a passage for Iraqi tankers. There was some logic attached to it.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
To be honest, while this is a story to watch, things look like they're getting far more heated in both China and in Afghanistan and Pakistan than in/over Iran. Take a look at my recent threads. Afghanistan and Pakistan are PISSED over the leaks. Congress just approved $33B in more war funds.

Good points...thanks for the threads and info.

There are getting to be so many tangled strands here...Trying to gauge where all of these recent events will lead is starting to feel like playing 5-dimensional chess or something.

reply to post by boondock-saint


That's why ducted air con is so good on an Oil Tanker, because it takes it out of the Superstructure. But I digress. There are plenty of failsafes on board Vessels, but mistakes do happen.

reply to post by Manouche
Attaching logic to the existing Iranian govt in 1988 is one thing, but attaching it to the Ahmadinajad's regime is another thing altogether.

If the Iranians wanted to bring the western countries to their collective knees, blocking the Straits of Hormuz would be a bang-up way to start. Logic included on this one.

"We believe it's highly likely an attack," Mitsui spokeswoman Eiko Mizuno said. "There is nothing that can explode in that part of the vessel."

Ilive in Japan and I've heard nothiong on the MSM here or on other news sites, seems to be being kept under raps here...if this was going to be a false flag surelywe'd have heard the japanese channels saying something

Very strange indeed.

reply to post by butcherguy


If they block the strait, they give a very legitimate and serious reason for everyone to turn against them and very quickly. And they need to ship their oil out too.

I don't think a group can lead millions of people without some intelligence, logic and survival skills. As ugly the regime is, they were still smart enough to get there.

CNN

Officials: Explosion damages Japanese tanker in Strait of Hormuz

Update: Japan tanker crew says it hit freak wave in Strait of Hormuz; company earlier suspected terrorist involvement in explosion - Reuters

A freak wave in the straight of hormuz? That could damage a freaking Super-tanker? Hmm something is wrong here.

Originally posted by silent thunder

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
To be honest, while this is a story to watch, things look like they're getting far more heated in both China and in Afghanistan and Pakistan than in/over Iran. Take a look at my recent threads. Afghanistan and Pakistan are PISSED over the leaks. Congress just approved $33B in more war funds.

Good points...thanks for the threads and info.

There are getting to be so many tangled strands here...Trying to gauge where all of these recent events will lead is starting to feel like playing 5-dimensional chess or something.

Ya and lets keep in mind all the other issues ongoing all over,.. there was just an pipe line "Rupture" yesterday in Michigan.. you would have to have blinders on if you don't suspect something.
As I have stated in other threads , between the refinery explosions, natural gas line explosions power line (transformer) explosions and all the coincidental oil leaks,. I'd say SOMETHING is up !

It could be hitting two birds with one stone[missile], a false flag and Japanese public support[which has decreased] for the US bases there, while they might feel threatened and reach out to their American ally..

[edit on 28-7-2010 by Foppezao]

reply to post by jonny2410


yea the rouge wave caused the "explosion"
they must realy think we are stupid

Originally posted by Manouche

I don't think a group can lead millions of people without some intelligence, logic and survival skills. As ugly the regime is, they were still smart enough to get there.

You mean like North Korea? I am sure that IF he were sitting on large, developed oil reserves, his people would be eating better. That doesn't mean that his moves would be dictated by logic.

Now you can say that he is crazy like a fox.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
a flash of light on the horizon
no info on surface contacts

I believe this to be a small cruise missile.
A torpedo would have hit below the water line
and exploded the tanker's oil.

This attack was a warning
not intended to destroy the ship.

Since there was no info on surface vessels
this is most likely a submarine.

How many Navies have submarines that fire
cruise missiles?

It's a short list

Now your just guessing. You do not require a sub to covertly launch a small missile. Small boats often escape detection from surface search radars on large vessels. Having spent my share of time on the bridge of a mid sized military ship a can attest to that fact. BTW: I am talking about the commercially available radar sets , not the mil-spec variants.

reply to post by jonny2410


Ok, we have "freak wave" vs "explosion"

I would assume a sailor would know the difference?

The CNN article is wierd, as it offers both scenarios as likely?

"Initial damage assessment from the ship's owner ... is that one lifeboat was blown off the ship and there is some damage to the starboard hatches," the Fifth Fleet said

I know freak waves are hectic,. but could it take a lifeboat off?

Come on butcherguy
I was just saying Iran has no motive to mine the strait. Mines would be recovered and they'd be busted. They are not that stupid to throw themselves in the lion's mouth.