Virginia UFO sighting, July 25, 2010 all 4 parts

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U2U Me Airborne880 or message on YT and I will upload for you.

I am terrible sorry if this was already sayed by some one, because i have not read all the topic yet.

After read the OP describing the episode at night, and the results after the inspection of the place at day light, I think this is a case of "Wisps"!

Will-o'-the-wisp

Ignis Fatuus

Ignis fatuus 2




If you try to google about true pics about them, you will notice how hard it is, because they are quite rare, due to just be possible to notice them at night, and in very particular terrain types. But they are very "usual" at graveyards, due to the mass amount of rotten bodys.

IMHO this can be a good explanation for this subject.



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It's Sunday here in Oz and I'm waiting patiently for airbourne to tell of his weekend findings!

Hello Airborne,

Your other videos on your youtube page are helpful in learning about how your camera works. There used to be, I don't know if they still post on ATS, but camera experts, that can debunk based off of information about the camera, shutter speed for example. I think maybe maybe not was headed in that direction asking for actual measurements.

I have a question:



@2:32 up on the hill in the clearing,

is that what we are looking at here in the opening seconds?



I have a favor to ask you.

The beginning shot of your youtube video 1, what time on your daytime explanation videos are we looking at the exact same shot of the nighttime video?

Same with nighttime video 2. What is the exact time of the daytime explanation videos, so we can compare and see what we are looking at.

Thanks!

Airborne880,
A little off topic, but for very powerful open-source video editing software, google 'virtualdub'. That will easily handle any video-splitting jobs you may require. Pretty easy to use.
I've been following this thread; very interesting phenomena you are presenting, whatever it is. Some possibilities that I would currently rule out as inconsistent with your observations are:
-mundane aircraft
-piezoelectric quartz deposits glowing at night (rocks deposits don't fly around)
-fireflies or other chemiluminesent insects (not nearly this bright, generally glow with an even brightness level for all the insects involved. Also the glows are usually tinted orange or greenish.)
-chemiluminesence due to oxidation of some organic vapors coming from an underground source(again, generally much softer, diffuse, glow)
Naturally, more information is needed before anyone can pose a meaningfull hypothesis as to what is occuring here. I am very encouraged by your open-mindedness. I think your attitude is exactly the correct one with the goal of identifying this phenomenon. I hope to continue reading about your investigations.

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Hey, Airborne, I believe YouTube has just upped the cap for video length to 15 minutes. Would your new video fit within this space of time?

lmao @ all the people who have their mind-set that this is anything BUT a UFO.

Fireflies lol

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Something was there all everyone are trying to do is find out what.In all I hope that they manage to capture more footage with the ideas etc.. members have given lets hope so.

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I am finding it rather confusing to have this thread split out into the other thread about this that has been started by Airborne880.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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My fault link removed since this is about these videos captured.

Originally posted by k3rm1t
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My fault link removed since this is about these videos captured.

K3rm1t.....

Sorry mate.....

I didn't mean to imply it was you who confused me.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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LOL no problem

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Airborne880.....

Thank you.....

Your comments regarding the probable "small scale" of the objects aligns with my thoughts about the size of the objects, subsequent to viewing the videos.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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I wandered back over every page of this thread, and was rather surprised to NOT see a couple of pretty obvious questions to the cameraperson...

1. What brand and model camera is this?

2. As a self-proclaimed target shooter, is there some reason why you would not use any of the well-known techniques for holding something steady - or if you did, why they failed you?

Originally posted by CHRLZ
I wandered back over every page of this thread, and was rather surprised to NOT see a couple of pretty obvious questions to the cameraperson...

1. What brand and model camera is this?

2. As a self-proclaimed target shooter, is there some reason why you would not use any of the well-known techniques for holding something steady - or if you did, why they failed you?

Great questions. here are the answers.

I am a professional Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor, certified on local, federal and NRA levels. Now... exactly what "Well known techniques for holding something steady" are you referring to? Please identify them.... since they are well known. Are you referring to the "Weaver"? Or was it the"Isosceles"? Please identify, so that you and I are on the same page and I can help you understand. No offense man, but it sounds like you know about as much about firearms, as I do about video taping.

Further... I had right side shoulder surgery two weeks prior to filming that sighting. Why did I not allow someone else to videotape? I'm the father and the kids dont use this camera. See how that works. i have repeatedly said that we are NOT professional ufo hunters and/or video experts. Perhaps you only consider video shot from qualified experts/ if that is the case.... good luck with that. Let me know how that works for you seeing as how there simply are not professional video tape guys standing on every mountain.

Now... the camera is a
Sony Hanycam
Hybrid
30 Gig
40 x
optical Zoom

Ok... Apparently I screwed up and confused some folks by posting the below into a new thread. So please read below and understand that i was not able to make the video links work. Others here have posted them and you can see them. they are simply us before and during the failed investigation. It was a long way to travel and a long night, for only one night of investigation, and we are beat! We were limited to one night because Brent had to work this morning. Anyway... if you want to see the videos.... go to youtube, look up LMSTactical, then go through my vids. Most of my stuff is not UFO related, as that site was originally mean for firearms related posts.

Thanks.

Bad news first! We traveled to the property where we encountered the UFO/Orbs on July 24th and 25t. (if you do not know what I am referring to, there is another thread here that discusses the incident in detail along with a couple of shaky videos) and conducted our follow up investigation. We did NOT have another encounter, but it was not for lack of effort. My son Brent and I took the advice of one of the members ere, and hung glow sticks up the side of the mountain where the prior sightings were, in order to give us reference in terms of distance and size. I had the (fully charged) camera set up on a tripod and we were standing by. That's when the rain started. Long story short.... we were on site and in the rain until almost 3:00am and did not see what we came to see. What does this mean? It means that we will be back again ASAP and continue to search for concrete answers. Until then... take a look at the videos that I did shoot while there. They may give some incite as to who we are and what we are doing. The first is a kind of intro to that day's investigative plan. Thanks for watching.

Originally posted by CHRLZ
I wandered back over every page of this thread, and was rather surprised to NOT see a couple of pretty obvious questions to the cameraperson...

1. What brand and model camera is this?

2. As a self-proclaimed target shooter, is there some reason why you would not use any of the well-known techniques for holding something steady - or if you did, why they failed you?

After a quick smoke and some more thought about your questions.... I want to follow up with another fact that should interest you regarding "self proclaimed" firearms experts.


I take it from your question... that you do not shoot... or if you do.... your not very good at it.... no offense. There is a reality that shooters must accept and manage and its called, "Arch of movement". It refers to the front sight of a handgun while on target. As long as you are living and breathing, there will be movement of that front sight. It is related to your heartbeat, breathing, excitement level, (ever been in a shooting?), etc. So.... unless you are using a bi-pod and scope, you will always have movement. Now... when a shooter who knows what they are doing sights in on a target, he aims for center mass. Take another look at the videos, understand the sizes that I was dealing with and then.... explain to me where center mass was. Are you starting to get it? I train to shoot humans. Not tiny orbs of light. As I have told so many others here and on youtube... please... grab your video camera tonight, head out into the yard and get me some STILL video of a star without the use of a tripod. This is reality.... not Hollywood my friend. We are dealing with unplanned events that do not unfold as though scripted. If this stuff was easy to videotape, I guess all of our questions would be answered by now.

Hi Airborne880
After having a look at your vids, I think there maybe a possible explanation.
Your holiday home seems to be located in the Virginian mountain range, in th George Washington National Forest. This is an geologicaly active mountain range. Could these be Geo lights your seeing.

Here's a couple of links wich could explain things

www.trueghosttales.com...

en.wikipedia.org...'-the-wisp

From the above link : -
The oxidation of phosphine and methane, produced by organic decay, can cause glowing light. Since phosphine spontaneously ignites on contact with the oxygen in air, only small quantities of it would be needed to ignite the much more abundant methane to create ephemeral fires. The Italian chemists Luigi Garlaschelli and Paolo Boschetti have replicated the lights by adding some chemicals to gases from rotting compounds. They argue that the combustion can be sustained at lower temperatures than those found in traditional fires. Taken together, these findings seem to explain two of the more puzzling aspects of the Will o'the wisp, its spontaneous, transient nature and low temperature "flame" that doesn't seem to burn items close by.

Writing in the Journal of American Folklore in 1891, JG Owens contested this hypothesis: "This is a name that is sometimes applied to a phenomenon perhaps more frequently called Jack-o'-the-Lantern, or Will-o'-the-Wisp. It seems to be a ball of fire, varying in size from that of a candle-flame to that of a man's head. It is generally observed in damp, marshy places, moving to and fro; but it has been known to stand perfectly still and send off scintillations. As you approach it, it will move on, keeping just beyond your reach; if you retire, it will follow you. That these fireballs do occur, and that they will repeat your motion, seems to be established, but no satisfactory explanation has yet been offered that I have heard. Those who are less superstitious say that it is the ignition of the gases rising from the marsh. But how a light produced from burning gas could have the form described and move as described, advancing as you advance, receding as you recede, and at other times remaining stationary, without having any visible connection with the earth, is not clear to me."

*****In 1993 professors Derr and Persinger proposed that the lights are piezoelectrically generated under a tectonic strain. The strains that move faults would also heat up the rocks, vaporizing the water in them. Rock or soil containing something piezoelectric, like quartz, silicon or arsenic, may also produce electricity, channeled up to the surface through the soil via a column of vaporised water, there somehow appearing as earth lights. This would explain why the lights appear electrical, erratic, or even intelligent in their behavior******

Others explanations link will-o'-the-wisps to bioluminescence (e.g. honey fungus). Barn owls also have luminescent plumage with a high albedo that can reflect enough light from sources such as the moon to appear as a will-o'-the-wisp. Hence the possibility of the lights moving, reacting to other lights, etc.

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Ashishin, please see my previous post as to why I do not think Airborne880's observations have anything to do with chemiluminesence/phosphoresence phenomena. I have personally worked with phosphorus-based flares & marine markers used for marine search and rescue. I know what phosphorus or phosphine (PH3) gas flames look like, as well as the emiited glow by slow oxidation of phosphorus. The light is either soft greenish-tinted glows or orange-tinted flame. Not dazzling-white light.

Airborne as a former LEO let me say welcome brother. Let me start by saying, for what it is worth, I believe you. Ignore the haters on here. You may never see the lights again, but at least you were lucky enough to see them! Also, you may want to look into the "Brown Mountain" lights here in NC. They may be related.

I will see if I can find some links and post them on here. Keep up the good work, but don't let it consume you.