Virginia UFO sighting, July 25, 2010 all 4 parts

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by DaWhiz

This overlay was not done to scale for the video...

How do you know that as you didn't overlay it?

It is obvious that the person shooting this had a different reference all together.

And how do you know that as you didn't shoot the video?

I'll stick with fireflies on this one until someone comes up with a more plausible explanation.

Easy. The overlay was only a third of the frame and fits w/in the frame.
Easy, where did you see the man's butt while the lights were flickering in the night shots?
Come on!
(edit) OK, I did say this and now I'm getting guilty of it: a lot of this is general common sense point and shoot stuff, and that's what this person did. It is what most do. The honest thing to do is to ask yourself - what am I trying to accomplish here? If the answer is to just to try to derail someone then admit it. There is no need to do obvious fudging to try a prove a point.
Oh and the fireflies reference - cute if it weren't for the fact that unless enhanced, you would not see their lights caught on camera that bright. And the easiest way to test this is to go out there with a camera and shoot.
It is that simple.

[edit on 28-7-2010 by DaWhiz]

Originally posted by torsion
reply to post by FlySolo

 

You do realise that fireflies are actually beetles don't you? They spend most of their time crawling rather than in flight.

So I'm saying these are on the stump, possibly recently emerged larvae.

If you thought fireflies were actually flies I can understand your confusion and you "moot" suggestion.

A quick search shows you are wrong:

Females deposit their eggs in the ground, which is where larvae develop to adulthood. Underground larvae feed on worms and slugs by injecting them with a numbing fluid.

National Geographic

Originally posted by FlySolo

So your position is they all hatched and began flying around the stump?

No, I didn't say that at all. They are sitting quite still on the stump like fireflies do and glowing like fireflies do. You might be mistaking the jittery camera movement for erratic flight.

So you're saying a guy who is in law-enforcement, has property in the country side and is certainly in his 40's can't discern what a firefly is?

This is what he said himself about my firefly theory:

"Wow!!! I am very very impressed with your work!!!! It is a great job! I am way way to tired to be very articulate now but I will re examine this when I get a nap. I see your point and seeing the overlay it seems possible."

Have you any constructive ideas on what they might be?

Originally posted by NightVision

Originally posted by FlySolo


The footage is not useless at all. It collaborates his story. Hence 40-60%

I said it was useless in my opinion. It would do you well to brush up on your reading comprehension. Hey if you wanna wave this guys flag for his video all month go for it. Knock yourself out.

Not my problem you won't listen to reason. enif si noisneherpmoc gnidaer ym.

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by FlySolo

So your position is they all hatched and began flying around the stump?

No, I didn't say that at all. They are sitting quite still on the stump like fireflies do and glowing like fireflies do. You might be mistaking the jittery camera movement for erratic flight.

So you're saying a guy who is in law-enforcement, has property in the country side and is certainly in his 40's can't discern what a firefly is?

This is what he said himself about my firefly theory:

"Wow!!! I am very very impressed with your work!!!! It is a great job! I am way way to tired to be very articulate now but I will re examine this when I get a nap. I see your point and seeing the overlay it seems possible."

Have you any constructive ideas on what they might be?

I'm challenging it the entire way. So you are saying that these particular fireflies decided to show up on a stump during the day time hours in the exact same formation as the little squared overlay provides? Remove the overlay and lets get a look at the stump. That's all that is needed here. Also how in the heck did you bring out the guy in the pic with such clarity considering there would have been massive underexposure?
I can not believe you guys are buying this as a debunk!

reply to post by torsion



I think he was just being polite, but go ahead and pat yourself on the back. No, I don't know what they were but I have a hard time swallowing fireflies. The video doesn't show them blinking. They are too white in color, and I doubt they all decided to hang around the stump socializing. Your reference point is purely guess work anyway. There is no way you can determine where he was sitting/standing while filming. The facts you put together are only stacked in favor of your hypothesis.

reply to post by FlySolo


I totally agree FlySolo.

Originally posted by DaWhiz

I'm challenging it the entire way. So you are saying that these particular fireflies decided to show up on a stump during the day time hours in the exact same formation as the little squared overlay provides? Remove the overlay and lets get a look at the stump. That's all that is needed here. Also how in the heck did you bring out the guy in the pic with such clarity considering there would have been massive underexposure?
I can not believe you guys are buying this as a debunk!

You're making no sense at all now, DahWiz!

Who says the fireflies were there during the daytime? The overlay is a portion of the nighttime video (it isn't the same size because I only cropped the area with the lights) the bottom image is the daytime video. There are no lights present in the daytime video. Nobody said there were except you for some unfathomable reason.

Why do you want me to remove the overlay when all you need do is go to the first post and watch the original videos yourself?

To try and make it simple for you - the nighttime video shows only the lights - the daytime video shows the forest area where the lights were. I have overlayed one on top of the other

reply to post by PsychoX42


really I thought I held it together very well, thank you


"This was actually a post that I made in another thread, but, I found that it just disappeared in a stack of nonsense while people consistently attacked each other for virtually no reason."
Hmmmmmmm where have I read this before it sounds psycho

[edit on 28-7-2010 by madhadder545]

It's a conundrum really, so many sightings and so little tangible evidence, if any.

Originally posted by FlySolo
The video doesn't show them blinking.

Fireflies don't always blink.

They are too white in color,

I think it may have been shot in night vision, despite what is said on the video.

and I doubt they all decided to hang around the stump socializing.

Fireflies do that kind of thing.

Your reference point is purely guess work anyway.

Based on it fitting the contour of the stump

There is no way you can determine where he was sitting/standing while filming.

He shows the chair in the video and why would he choose a totally different position to provide a daylight reference video?

A quick search shows you are wrong:

A quicker search shows otherwise - "Fireflies hibernate over winter during the larval stage, some species for several years. Some do this by burrowing underground, while others find places on or under the bark of trees. They emerge in the spring. After several weeks of feeding, they pupate

Originally posted by FlySolo

Not my problem you won't listen to reason. enif si noisneherpmoc gnidaer ym.

Interesting that when someone disagrees with your findings, you label them as not listening to reason, rather than simply letting the fact speak for themselves. In reality, it is you who is forcing a narrow-minded perspective here. View the short video below for a better understanding of what I am referring to....

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by FlySolo
The video doesn't show them blinking.

Fireflies don't always blink.

They don't maintain their light for more than a couple of seconds. Have you ever seen one?

They are too white in color,

I think it may have been shot in night vision, despite what is said on the video.

Oh, so now you know better than the OP?

and I doubt they all decided to hang around the stump socializing.

Fireflies do that kind of thing.

Your reference point is purely guess work anyway.

Based on it fitting the contour of the stump

There is no way you can determine where he was sitting/standing while filming.

He shows the chair in the video and why would he choose a totally different position to provide a daylight reference video?

He's walking/Standing while filming the daylight footage. You have to assume he was in the exact same position in the daytime as he was in the night time to correctly overlay. Still guess work

A quick search shows you are wrong:

A quicker search shows otherwise - "Fireflies hibernate over winter during the larval stage, some species for several years. Some do this by burrowing underground, while others find places on or under the bark of trees. They emerge in the spring. After several weeks of feeding, they pupate

Hibernation happens in the winter. You just showed that with your stellar quote. What was the date of this sighting? Summer dude. Fail

reply to post by NightVision


I disagree they are flies, oops fireflies. I disagree that the camera shake shows anything other than, well, camera shake. Means nothing. I disagree that you are not using Occam's razor. If those lights were orange, and were spastically flying around going on and off like fireflies do, then I would agree with you. But they don't and you know that. Even in knowing they don't act like fireflies but yet you still support this notion shows you are more closed than you would care to admit.

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by NightVision

 

I disagree they are flies, oops fireflies. I disagree that the camera shake shows anything other than, well, camera shake. Means nothing. I disagree that you are not using Occam's razor. If those lights were orange, and were spastically flying around going on and off like fireflies do, then I would agree with you. But they don't and you know that. Even in knowing they don't act like fireflies but yet you still support this notion shows you are more closed than you would care to admit.

Seeing as how I never mentioned anything about fireflies at all, that pretty much means you are not paying attention, or need help.

excellent thread, great reading. you-foes bring out the characters in threads like this!!

props to the OP and mr 880 for hooking up, and showing some faith, intellegence and patience in making this thread happen!

880, ignore the haters.. have a go at getting some more (clearer) footage.. you got us all really hoping to see more!

PLUR

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Originally posted by the.lights
I for one believe them. This is exactly the way it goes with these things right now. Remote locations. Lots of trees. Classic orb sighting.

You're right - "classic": shaky, out of focus, running out of battery, object moves in and out of frame... i.e. unreliable.


Next.

Airborne, I sent you a PM on YouTube. I hope you reply asap.

Considering the things I have been seeing in the skies here in VA as of late, and the i9ncrease in sightings as of late, I tend toward this being a little more credible then I would have normally thought before.

I see nothing that points to them being faked, and with the multiple witnesses, I think this is is real.

Alien? Who knows. I have seen "things in the sky" too, doing some bizzare things, and even I still can't bring myself to say they were aliens.

Aliens or terrestrial, I don't think this is a hoax.

Fireflies? Really? Have you guys ever tried to videotape something that dim at night? They aren't fire flies, Timon, but hey, hakuna matata.

reply to post by NightVision


Sorry partner, I associated you and the other fellow together. You're right, I wasn't paying attention

The objects were way to still to be fireflies..even though the cameraman was "shaky" you can still see how still they are in the triangle formation.And too intelligent to be fire flies.And you can make out some metallic on the objects.