The "Facts" of the bible and where we come from

reply to post by Y2KJMan


I really like your post a star for you!

reply to post by evil incarnate


Sorry,I did not threaten you!
I don't make it a habit to post on sunday!

OP makes some good points

I hope the op doesnt mind but id like to add a couple questions

Noah = 1 man on 1 boat inbreeding all the aminals in the world....com'on now.

and doesnt it bother any believers that god killed the first born as to punish the egyption people?? i guess thats the best way to make someone suffer...kill they children.

Nah, No child killing god for me...thanks

reply to post by DieselCecil


noah wasnt alone on the ark..he had his wife and others with him!
yeah!

[edit on 18-7-2010 by metalholic]

reply to post by DieselCecil


The law was put into effect through angels-Gal3.19

but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.-Heb1

For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son-Heb1.5

the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.-Heb8.6

reply to post by evil incarnate


I'll make a quick post with just a bit of information as I have to jet.

Do you know that the word used for "Adam" in Hebrew and Greek mean mankind?

Search a little, that will start you on your path of enlightenment.

the answers to lifes questions arent found in a book people... Its not that easy.

its all just sun worship anyways

reply to post by DieselCecil


They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens, which they have loved and served and which they have followed and consulted and worshiped.-Jer8.2

They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-Rom1.25

reply to post by No King but Jesus


it appears that english may not be your first language, i am sure your fifth grade children think they understand the answers, alot like they understand that the garage door goes up because there are little men that raise it when daddy pushes a button, or that the tooth fairy brings them money for thier rotten fallen teeth.

claiming that an answer is easy is no argument, explain it please.

oh and for those who want to get into hebrew meanings...

adam may mean mankind, but the word for god isnt a noun. its an action word, or verb, meaning that god is an action or event that took place.

keep praying to your verb, i prefer squirrels...

Originally posted by evil incarnate
Where did Cain's wife come from?
His Sister

Which came first, Adam or the animals and was Eve created at the same time or later?
Animals first, then Adam, then Eve but only after Adam named the animals.

What did God make the animals out of?
The bible doesn't specifically say, but I would say atomic particles of either matter or energy.

When did the plants show up?
Before the animals

Were their multiple Gods at first?
No.

[edit on 19-7-2010 by Blue_Jay33]

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


cain... why not eve? or a wife from a foriegn land? or an animal? and why is your source more reliable than say the NIV or KJV?

how do you know there were no other gods? the bible does not specifically deny it, in fact it leads you to believe there were multiple gods.

reply to post by wx4caster


From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise because of your enemies, to silence the foe and the avenger.-Ps8.2

"See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.
-Matt18.10

Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.-Joel3.14

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.-Heb4.12

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by wx4caster

 

From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise because of your enemies, to silence the foe and the avenger.-Ps8.2

"See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.
-Matt18.10

Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.-Joel3.14

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.-Heb4.12

and.... i rest my case.

you are quoting scripture but you are not explaining how you mean it to mean or how you perceive it to answer anything at all...

The following link to another thread on this site may well answer all your questions on our origins. If you would like to take the time to read the whole set of papers (warning: it is quite lengthy) and just see how it 'sits' with you. Does the content of the Papers resonate with you as TRUTH or FICTION?

www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=4244747#pid4244747

Very interesting read nonetheless!!

Just quietly, I thought most people on here had woken up to the fact that the 'bible' and so-called man-made 'religion' was created as a control mechanism to be used over the masses. I have researched this and many other subjects over the past 33 years and my conclusions are, and have been since a very young age, the bible is a book of lies and fairy tales. Just my humble opinion.

[edit on 19-7-2010 by kiwitina948]

Originally posted by Not of this Earth
The problem with reading the bible or asking people who believe in the bible to answer your questions is it usually leads to more questions.

That is exactly the reason for this thread. Trying to make sense of the bible only leads to more and more confusion. I am well aware that ATS is full of people that take the bible literally and believe it is 100% true so I am assuming these people have been satisfied to the point of no more questions. I would like to find out how to get there myself.

The problem with bible and organized religion is it was created a very long time ago and has been open to interpretation by many people trying to control other people.

Just my opinion.

You are not alone in that.

Research as many different sources as you can and come up with your on opinions, my best suggestion.

Any source other than the bible is just what someone else has suggested about the bible and cannot answer direct questions. Here I have access to people who claim to believe that can actually answer questions. I thought that might actually get me somewhere.

Originally posted by Trueman
THIS IS ALL I CAN SAY :

www.godtube.com...

I hope you like it.

That was lovely, thanks.

I am not sure it addresses any of my questions about the bible though.

Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by evil incarnate

 

alright man ur asking about a book that has no proof in anything it talks about b/c its based on mythology from before its time and things that were said to happen out of the norm..and u want me to answer u with proof!

No, I do not want you to answer at all. I specifically addressed my questions to people that do believe the bible is a fact filled history book. If you do not believe that, then my questions were not to you.

for one this is like me asking about star wars hey i dont get some of the meanings in star wars can someone with proof tell me the answers!

Do you know people that believe Star Wars is a true story? If so, I would certainly ask them.

if u dont see the simularity were on diff levels!

Clearly. I am on a level where I stated very clearly who I was asking and what. Why you felt the need to try to answer then get upset because you have no answer is beyond me. I am fairly certain you are free not to respond.

so i will give u the highlights the interestng stuff!

And on that day He created for them all the seas according to their separate gathering-places, and all the rivers, and the gatherings of the waters in the mountains and on all the earth, and all the lakes, and all the dew of the earth, and the seed which is sown, and all sprouting things, and fruit-bearing trees, and trees of the wood, and the garden of Eden, in Eden, and all (plants after their kind). These four great works God created on the third day.

5. And the Lord our God caused a deep sleep to fall upon him, and he slept, and He took for the woman one rib from amongst his ribs, and this rib was the origin of the woman from amongst his ribs, and He built up the flesh in its stead, and built the woman. 6. And He awaked Adam out of his sleep and on awaking he rose on the sixth day, and He brought her to him, and he knew her, and said unto her: "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she will be called [my] wife; because she was taken from her husband." 3 7. Therefore shall man and wife be one, and therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh.

"Hath God commanded you, saying, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" 18. And she said to it, "Of all the fruit of the trees of the garden God hath said unto us, Eat; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden God hath said unto us, Ye shall not eat thereof, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." 19. And the serpent said unto the woman, "Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that on the day ye shall eat thereof, your eyes will be opened, and ye will be as gods, and ye will know good and evil."

28. And on that day was closed the mouth of all beasts, and of cattle, and of birds, and of whatever walketh, and of whatever moveth, so that they could no longer speak: 3 for they had all spoken one with another with one lip and with one tongue. 29. And He sent out of the Garden of Eden all flesh that was in the Garden of Eden, and all flesh was scattered according to its kinds, and according to its types unto the places which had been created for them.

for everything that had been on it had been destroyed, save those that were in the ark with Noah. 3. And he placed the fat thereof on the altar, and he took an ox, and a goat, and a sheep and kids, and salt, and a turtle-dove, and the young of a dove, and placed a burnt sacrifice on the altar, and poured thereon an offering mingled with oil, and sprinkled wine and strewed frankincense over everything, and caused a goodly savour to arise, acceptable before the Lord. 1 4. And the Lord smelt the goodly savour, 2 and He made a covenant with him that there should not be any more a flood to destroy the earth;

prince Mastêmâ 1 came and said before God, "Behold, Abraham loveth Isaac his son, and he delighteth in him above all things else; bid him offer him as a burnt-offering on the altar, and Thou wilt see if he will do this command, and Thou wilt know if he is faithful in everything wherein Thou dost try him." 17. And the Lord knew that Abraham was faithful in all his afflictions; for He had tried him through his country and with famine, and had tried him with the wealth of kings, and had tried him again through his wife, when she was torn (from him), and with circumcision, and had tried him through Ishmael and Hagar, his maid-servant, when he sent them away. 2

4. And he came to a well of water, and he said to his young men, "Abide ye here with the ass, and I and the lad shall go (yonder), and when we have worshipped we shall come again to you." 5. And he took the wood of the burnt-offering and laid it on Isaac his son, and he took in his hand the fire and the knife, and they went both of them together to that place. 6. And Isaac said to his father, "Father"; and he said, "Here am I, my son." And he said unto him, "Behold the fire, and the knife, and the wood; but where is the sheep for the burnt-offering, father?" 7. And he said, "God will provide for himself a sheep for a burnt-offering, my son." And he drew near to the place of the mount of God. 1 8. And he built an altar, and he placed the wood on the altar, and bound Isaac his son, and placed him on the wood which was upon the altar, and stretched forth his hand to take the knife to slay Isaac his son. 9. And I stood before him, and before the prince of the Mastêmâ, 2 and the Lord said, "Bid him not to lay his hand on the lad, nor to do anything to him, for I have shown that he feareth the Lord." 10. And I called to him from heaven, and said unto him: "Abraham, Abraham"; and he was terrified and said: "Behold, (here) am I." 11. And I said unto him: "Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou anything to him; for now I have shown that thou fearest the Lord, and hast not withheld thy son, thy first-born son, from me."

"Behold the children of men have become evil 3 through the wicked purpose of building for themselves a city and a tower in the land of Shinar." 19. For they departed from the land of Ararat eastward to Shinar; for in his days they built the city and the tower, saying, "Go to, let us ascend thereby into heaven."

there u go still some reading to do! then ofcourse u might want to scroll up to the first post on this page and read about god letting another deity have evil deitys to corrupt man and then destroyed the rest!

I am not sure what the point of posting any of this is? If you do not believe the bible is true, why would you believe some myth based on the bible is true?

I really do not understand what you are trying to promote here.

ignore post

[edit on 19-7-2010 by Leonardo01]

reply to post by evil incarnate


I can't give you much information except for noah's ark....it never happened.
The logistics make it impossible for many reasons. As example:
It would be impossible to build a wood ark big enough to fit 2 of all the animals in the world. Even if someone had the time and material, at a certain point, wood cannot be used because it will collapse on itself. Ever see a skyscraper made out of wood?

2 of every animal wouldn't allow for enough genetic variation for reproduction and continuation of the species.

etc....

Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by evil incarnate

 

actually i'm not pushing nothing i'm throwing out ideas...while answering ur questions..u say i answered none yet u have not read nothing in them texts...that my friend is ignorance!

You have nullified your ideas here

alright man ur asking about a book that has no proof in anything it talks about b/c its based on mythology from before its time and things that were said to happen out of the norm..and u want me to answer u with proof!

b/c i answered the first questions off the bat how long was they in eden who was there first and all that...but u wouldnt know cause ur afraid to do some reading...instrad of pushing refreash to see all thenew responses and how popular its growing read the damn material being provided...

u afraid of a lil mind expansion

I am just not interested in reading an entire page full of bible quotes supposedly answering my questions from someone who claims they do not believe the bible anyway.

As for hitting refresh to see something, you will note I am responding to almost every post in this thread, including yours.