Reputed neo-Nazi leading patrols in Ariz.

reply to post by hippomchippo


they arent just running around shooting people. the people they approach they give water and turn in to the border patrol to sort out....at least according to the article.

now if one of these groups they approach busts out ak47's and rocket launchers im pretty sure they will engage.

The Rules,

As I see it is to work with the local law enforcement and acquire and act on provable intelligence that show who is a member of a drug cartel or illegal terrorist and who is just some poor misguided Mexican who didn't have the good sense to apply for legal entry into the country.

The law enforcement agencies near the borders have been studying this situation since at least 2006 and have a very good idea who these people are and what they are up to.

I do not propose militia members just go in and shoot anything that moves.

ModernAcademia,

This guy JT is not leading the Movement.. he is a leader of only one of the many militias that are getting involved in this thing. Only his people may take orders from him.. I am sure there are many militias that don't agree with this guys personal beliefs.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Originally posted by LurkerMan
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

they arent just running around shooting people. the people they approach they give water and turn in to the border patrol to sort out....at least according to the article.

now if one of these groups they approach busts out ak47's and rocket launchers im pretty sure they will engage.

Ah yes, an article on a blog by a neo nazi.
Those are always true and never embellish.
It doesn't even matter if they kill mexicans, it's going to piss off any mexicans that are in arizona anyway, why does the U.S need to rely on neo nazi militias?
What happened to the good american militias?
Or is it desperate times call for extreme measures like Nazis? Because thats the same thinking that got hitler elected.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

reply to post by hippomchippo


I'm not gonna assume or accept anyones charactorizations of some dudes' nazizm when a far greater and intentionally malicious one is working their nationwide mischief.
Lotsa flawed people out there funtioning and minding their own business.
Sorry I dont care, what with freedom of speach and expression and beilief, maybe you recall such things? As long as one doesnt act it's ok in my book. What we have is action by subversives in DC which make any action by any individual along any border essentially non exsistent.
I think survival of the nation reqires priority over what YOU think may be one mans motivation. You are not in charge of that man, but you ARE somewhat in charge of the thieves in DC.

Originally posted by mordant1
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

I'm not gonna assume or accept anyones charactorizations of some dudes' nazizm when a far greater and intentionally malicious one is working their nationwide mischief.
Lotsa flawed people out there funtioning and minding their own business.
Sorry I dont care, what with freedom of speach and expression and beilief, maybe you recall such things? As long as one doesnt act it's ok in my book. What we have is action by subversives in DC which make any action by any individual along any border essentially non exsistent.
I think survival of the nation reqires priority over what YOU think may be one mans motivation. You are not in charge of that man, but you ARE somewhat in charge of the thieves in DC.

That's the exact same thinking that got hitler into power, desperate times call for desperate measures, not desperate times call for insane measures.
You guys have perfectly good non racist militas. There's no reason to support neo nazis.
Honestly, sending neo nazis into an area with a high amount of ethnicity, we don't need this.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
The Rules,

As I see it is to work with the local law enforcement and acquire and act on provable intelligence that show who is a member of a drug cartel or illegal terrorist and who is just some poor misguided Mexican who didn't have the good sense to apply for legal entry into the country.

So they sit at the border with a photo and bio and only act when they see that person?

The law enforcement agencies near the borders have been studying this situation since at least 2006 and have a very good idea who these people are and what they are up to.

How will civilian border patrols be able to help again? Will they be able to go into Mexico and hunt for these specific people or, again, are you saying they will let some people go by and just wait for identified drug cartel members? At which point, do they then just get to open fire as you suggested?

I do not propose militia members just go in and shoot anything that moves.

Just known drug cartel members? So based on what? A photo and binoculars? Will they have to get them into custody, ID them, then shoot them?

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
The Rules,

As I see it is to work with the local law enforcement and acquire and act on provable intelligence that show who is a member of a drug cartel or illegal terrorist and who is just some poor misguided Mexican who didn't have the good sense to apply for legal entry into the country.

The law enforcement agencies near the borders have been studying this situation since at least 2006 and have a very good idea who these people are and what they are up to.

I do not propose militia members just go in and shoot anything that moves.

ModernAcademia,

This guy JT is not leading the Movement.. he is a leader of only one of the many militias that are getting involved in this thing. Only his people may take orders from him.. I am sure there are many militias that don't agree with this guys personal beliefs.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Poor misguided mexicans? What? Are they are incapable of understanding borders, tresspass , theft, fraud etc? Not in my experience, Mexico is much more harsh in many things, misguided is not the problem so much as desperation. Any unrealistic thinking is north of the border were idjits think there is a perfect world out there where everyone wants to be nice and play fair and nonviolently.
Plenty of wet nazis sneaking north, I say set one to catch one. When ones hose is on fire you dont check the firemen for prostate cancer before they start putting the fire out.
If commies are now just considered acceptably diverse, then whats exactly wrong with nazis which are essentially the same thing politically just a little more honest about what the ruling elite get compared to the proles. Functionally for most, there would be no real difference, totalitarian state.

I don't even know what to tell you....the AMERICAN PEEP is the target
OBVIOUSLY the Governments of the two countries are the PERPS...

MINUTEMEN RELEASE VIDEO OF MEXICAN ARMY INCURSION OF U.S. BORDER
A group of armed Mexican soldiers then returned to the barbed wire fence (on American soil) and confronted Simcox and the volunteers. A discussion in Spanish ensued, with the agitated soldier ‘in charge’ saying the Americans had no business being there.

Simcox and the volunteers did not budge. The Mexican soldiers left and drove off. Judging from earlier activity observed at the ranch that morning, Simcox is of the belief that a trafficking operation had been disrupted by the volunteers.

The footage, filmed in 2004, was sent to then Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge. His office did not respond. The video has remained in the Minuteman video archive and is being released in response to recent news reports that over 200 cross-border incursions by the Mexican army have been documented since 1996.

minutemanhq.com...

Originally posted by mordant1

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
The Rules,

As I see it is to work with the local law enforcement and acquire and act on provable intelligence that show who is a member of a drug cartel or illegal terrorist and who is just some poor misguided Mexican who didn't have the good sense to apply for legal entry into the country.

The law enforcement agencies near the borders have been studying this situation since at least 2006 and have a very good idea who these people are and what they are up to.

I do not propose militia members just go in and shoot anything that moves.

ModernAcademia,

This guy JT is not leading the Movement.. he is a leader of only one of the many militias that are getting involved in this thing. Only his people may take orders from him.. I am sure there are many militias that don't agree with this guys personal beliefs.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Poor misguided mexicans? What? Are they are incapable of understanding borders, tresspass , theft, fraud etc? Not in my experience, Mexico is much more harsh in many things, misguided is not the problem so much as desperation. Any unrealistic thinking is north of the border were idjits think there is a perfect world out there where everyone wants to be nice and play fair and nonviolently.
Plenty of wet nazis sneaking north, I say set one to catch one. When ones hose is on fire you dont check the firemen for prostate cancer before they start putting the fire out.
If commies are now just considered acceptably diverse, then whats exactly wrong with nazis which are essentially the same thing politically just a little more honest about what the ruling elite get compared to the proles. Functionally for most, there would be no real difference, totalitarian state.

So your logic is, we accept communists, so we should accept racists?
No, I disagree, sorry.

reply to post by hippomchippo


Hey... how come you're not down there helping to protect America's border, and keeping these gringoes in line, eh?

Put your money where your mouth is, and perhaps if once you start walking the walk we'll believe the talk you talk.

outside of that, all I'm hearing here is someone that has a whiney little racist agenda themselves...

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
The Rules,

As I see it is to work with the local law enforcement and acquire and act on provable intelligence that show who is a member of a drug cartel or illegal terrorist and who is just some poor misguided Mexican who didn't have the good sense to apply for legal entry into the country.

So they sit at the border with a photo and bio and only act when they see that person?

The law enforcement agencies near the borders have been studying this situation since at least 2006 and have a very good idea who these people are and what they are up to.

How will civilian border patrols be able to help again? Will they be able to go into Mexico and hunt for these specific people or, again, are you saying they will let some people go by and just wait for identified drug cartel members? At which point, do they then just get to open fire as you suggested?

I do not propose militia members just go in and shoot anything that moves.

Just known drug cartel members? So based on what? A photo and binoculars? Will they have to get them into custody, ID them, then shoot them?

Almost every border on the planet is an understood kill zone, where if you dont comply you will be shot if there is a border guard. Nobody is so stupid to think that they can just cross borders, that belief has to be learned and there is only one place that teaches it, all other places on the planet will just bust a cap in you adz and nobody will think it odd anywhere else on the planet because the threat to intellignet men is obvious. Nobody stays safe and secure only on defense, ever, anywhere
Why do people ivade the US? Because they know we are too lazy to retain even our own property from those agressive enough to make countering claims, and on this planet when an organism gives up maintaining its own integrity it gets its throat ripped out and acts as food and fuel for another.

Originally posted by Megiddodiddo
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

Hey... how come you're not down there helping to protect America's border, and keeping these gringoes in line, eh?

Put your money where your mouth is, and perhaps if once you start walking the walk we'll believe the talk you talk.

outside of that, all I'm hearing here is someone that has a whiney little racist agenda themselves...

Because I'm canadian.
What's my racist agenda? I'm racist against racists? OH NO.
Pathetic, you can support neo nazis all you want, I just would rather not have to watch a mexican uprising on CNN because one of your buddies shot a mexican who wasn't illegal.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by LurkerMan
i dont care if hes an islamic reptilian left wing zionist Luciferian disinfoagent.

if hes protecting his nations border from narco-insurgents then good for him.

This isn't Batman and Robin, it's Neo-Nazis!

You know I watched a movie with my nephew last night
It's called Batman - Under The Red Hood
Just came out this week

It carries a good message about fighting crime while being unbias.

Seriously, if you don't care who is leading the movement then my god.... there goes the movement!!!!!!

i really dont care what his opinion is on anything, or if his favorite food is macaroni and cheese, favorite color green.

i dont see what any of it has to do with him protecting the nation, i really dont.

where in the "national socialist movement" credo does it say to run out and kill people?

reply to post by Danbones


Yep,I got one of them articles also.

Unfortunately, the violence that is attendant to the drug trade in Mexico is spilling over the border into U.S. towns, like San Diego, California and Eagle Pass, Texas. Last summer, ranchers along the Texas/Mexico Border reported they were besieged by drug organizations smuggling coc aine and marijuana across their property--fences were torn down, livestock butchered and shots were fired at the ranchers' homes at night. Ranchers reported seeing armed patrols in Mexico with night vision equipment, hand-held radios and assault rifles that protected a steady stream of smugglers back packing marijuana and coc aine into the United States. The problem became so acute that the State of Texas and the Federal government sent support in the form of additional U.S. Border Patrol Agents, DEA Special Agents, Officers from the Texas Department of Public Safety and the Texas National Guard.

www.justice.gov...



















But mine is from 1997

Just goes to show how long this has been going on. It is not a recent trend as many believe.

reply to post by hippomchippo
, so r

Everyone is a racist, so it cancels out. Everytime I hear someone claim they dont discriminate and are fair and equal in every way, knowing that discrimination is an innate human need for survival, I know they are a phoney and liar with an eye on playing me and so full of it that their eyes should be brown.
So basically I refuse to allow you to claim illusory higher ground or accept or consider or believe that you are any less racist than anyone else that you seek to automatically pass your judgment upon and this discussion, over and insignificant and noncontributory.

Originally posted by mordant1
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

, so r

Everyone is a racist, so it cancels out. Everytime I hear someone claim they dont discriminate and are fair and equal in every way, knowing that discrimination is an innate human need for survival, I know they are a phoney and liar with an eye on playing me and so full of it that their eyes should be brown.
So basically I refuse to allow you to claim illusory higher ground or accept or consider or believe that you are any less racist than anyone else that you seek to automatically pass your judgment upon and this discussion, over and insignificant and noncontributory.

No, not everyone is a racist.
That was sarcasm.
You're quick to condone neo nazism.
Probably also because you refer to mexicans as wet, slang for wetback which is an ethnic slur, yay for racism eh?
Let me say before I leave, hitler didn't get elected by saying kill all jews, but eventually, he tried to do just that.
I would never let a racist guard anything that involves people of ethnicity.
Good day.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by hippomchippo]

reply to post by hippomchippo


Yes everyone discriminates for their side(s) and own beliefs and benefit.
Everyone.
Yes, YOU. You assume your views have priority, that is discrimination. You think you are special compared to me, so by definition you discriminate against me as we dont agree and I'm wrong uless I agree with you.
Game set match.
Everyone.
Everyone
What color are your eyes?

[edit on 17-7-2010 by mordant1]

reply to post by hippomchippo


protecting the border is not neo-nazism.

nazism didnt come around till almost 200 years after the constitution was written.



try again.

Originally posted by mordant1
Almost every border on the planet is an understood kill zone, where if you dont comply you will be shot if there is a border guard. Nobody is so stupid to think that they can just cross borders, that belief has to be learned and there is only one place that teaches it, all other places on the planet will just bust a cap in you adz and nobody will think it odd anywhere else on the planet because the threat to intellignet men is obvious. Nobody stays safe and secure only on defense, ever, anywhere
Why do people ivade the US? Because they know we are too lazy to retain even our own property from those agressive enough to make countering claims, and on this planet when an organism gives up maintaining its own integrity it gets its throat ripped out and acts as food and fuel for another.

Hey that is just super. I was actually specifically addressing the post saying it should be ok for civilians to shoot suspected drug traffickers at will so you take your border/compliance/death rant somewhere else. k?

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by mordant1
Almost every border on the planet is an understood kill zone, where if you dont comply you will be shot if there is a border guard. Nobody is so stupid to think that they can just cross borders, that belief has to be learned and there is only one place that teaches it, all other places on the planet will just bust a cap in you adz and nobody will think it odd anywhere else on the planet because the threat to intellignet men is obvious. Nobody stays safe and secure only on defense, ever, anywhere
Why do people ivade the US? Because they know we are too lazy to retain even our own property from those agressive enough to make countering claims, and on this planet when an organism gives up maintaining its own integrity it gets its throat ripped out and acts as food and fuel for another.

Hey that is just super. I was actually specifically addressing the post saying it should be ok for civilians to shoot suspected drug traffickers at will so you take your border/compliance/death rant somewhere else. k?

Are you saying you are discriminating against me? By what authority?
Oh I guess when you make a determination it's not discrimination but If I do, it is.
How Precious!