Crop circle - July 17th, 2010 - Hypercube

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

[edit on 18-7-2010 by DCDAVECLARKE]

So despite people showing you exactly how it can be done with a team of dedicated time wasters you still deny it? There have been documentaries about how to fake it and you still deny it. Painting is not the same as trampling some crops, when a guy places a board down he can cover severl meters per minute!

I can't remember the documentaries name but down in cornwall they had a group of people, drinking cider and having a laugh who claimed to make these circles and demonstrated the techniques involved. They made sure to cover their faces as no doubt it's criminal damage.

[edit on 18-7-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

so in this documentary that you remember so well. did they explain how to get the bent nodes,bent not broken and standing about 4" off of the ground with no sign of force or manupulation.

no you conveniently ignore that question only stating like a child I am right you are all fools(source your ego). if you are so confident then I ask you or any skeptic to make one in your yard 6'X6' in diameter at night by yourself it should be easy on the small scale. all I ask is you perfectly replicate the bent nodes.

[edit on 18-7-2010 by -W1LL]

1.Scalar field
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2. Noosphere
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Potential source of crop circles

Originally posted by queenannie38
sorry for the long quotes, but you wanted proof and so here it is. nothing required from you but to read - you don't even have to click anything unless you just want to, so there are source links provided.

I'm still waiting for you to show me the PROOF!

As everyone should know, witness testimony is fallible and cannot be guaranteed.

Nice pics, but can you show me what I asked for....I don't think so. At best this may be considered as "evidence" but not the 100% proof to back up your "real deal" statement, so I'll point out that so far, you are wrong and do not comprehend what the "real deal" actually is.

cheers, wanna try again?

Originally posted by nerbot

Originally posted by queenannie38
sorry for the long quotes, but you wanted proof and so here it is. nothing required from you but to read - you don't even have to click anything unless you just want to, so there are source links provided.

I'm still waiting for you to show me the PROOF!

As everyone should know, witness testimony is fallible and cannot be guaranteed.

Nice pics, but can you show me what I asked for....I don't think so. At best this may be considered as "evidence" but not the 100% proof to back up your "real deal" statement, so I'll point out that so far, you are wrong and do not comprehend what the "real deal" actually is.

cheers, wanna try again?

Nerbot the burden of proof is on you. read my post a few back!
BENT NODES!!! again I will say to anyone who thinks CC can be exactly copied by man... duplicate the nodes.

Originally posted by -W1LL
so in this documentary that you remember so well. did they explain how to get the bent nodes,bent not broken and standing about 4" off of the ground with no sign of force or manupulation.

no you conveniently ignore that question only stating like a child I am right you are all fools(source your ego). if you are so confident then I ask you or any skeptic to make one in your yard 6'X6' in diameter at night by yourself it should be easy on the small scale. all I ask is you perfectly replicate the bent nodes.

[edit on 18-7-2010 by -W1LL]

Check back about what i said, in maybe 5% of cases it could be explained by a very strange situation where a lightning strike contacts some conductive minerals in the ground and produces an odd pattern.

However the idea of stems not breaking seems to be a mostly urban myth, i haven't seen good research to prove it. And there are inumerable variable factors which could cause it, including a number of fungal infections whick weaken stems.

The odd thing is that you sit there defending this topic as if anyone who disagrees is a die hard skeptic. Well guess what, i believe some odd things are flying aruond our atmosphere, most likely government craft but still defying known propulsion systems. Yet i still realise that these circles are man made for the most part and naturally explained for the rest of the time.

[edit on 18-7-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by zatara
And what is the local police doing to help the farmers catching thse vandalists?...What is the UK government doing to protect their citizens from ....'foreign' forces?

That sounds like something from a Black an White B movie trailer Aaaaaaaaaa

reply to post by Charismagic


3 6 sided cubes. 666.

Originally posted by -W1LL
BENT NODES!!! again I will say to anyone who thinks CC can be exactly copied by man... duplicate the nodes.

W1LL,

Do you know why crops have nodes?

Answer: So they can bend towards the light.

Do you know why nodes elongate and sometimes explode?

Answer: They elongate and sometimes explode when the stem of the crop is damaged. The nutrients that normaly pass freely through the nodes can no longer pass freely through, and they build up in the nodes and blow up like a balloon, and sometimes they burst under their own pressure.

They teach this in agriculture classes. I dare you to prove me wrong.



The node myth was started a while back when some not-so-knowledgeable researcher (or a deliberate liar that wanted to create believers) went to a crop circle looking for a way to prove they were NOT man-made (an impossible task). Since there was basically nothing that could prove it was NOT man-made, they started grasping at straws and tried to find absolutly anything to hint at some type of non human interaction. That is when they discoverd only a few bent nodes out of thousands, and because they were not-so-knowledgeable (or deliberatly lying) they had no clue as to what would cause the nodes to bend.

Totaly ignoring mundane explainations such as nodes being bent because someone pushed the crops over and smashed them with a tool, and ignoring other agricultural knowledge, they decided to present the bent nodes as something more than nothing on a webiste to support the idea that the crop circles were not man-made. That is when you and many others read the website and ate it up like it was your favorite meal because you have a phsycological need much like you have a physical need for food.

Trying to find alternative ways these nodes could be bent or elongated or exploded (ignoring obvious and mundane explainations), they decided to put some regular nodes inside of a microwave. That is when they found that heating up the nodes makes them expand (much like heating air and water makes it expand), and that is when the crop circle radiation myth was formed (ignoring the effects that the radiation from the Sun has on crops after they are damaged).

The problem with most crop circle researchers is that they stop researching. They think about bent nodes and believe there is no explaination for them, so they just stop searching for an explaination. That is when they come to an early conclusion and insist aliens must have did it. It's much like a scientist giving up and blaming everything on God.

Truth hurts, I know.

Crop circles can be debunked just by looking at them from above. When a man makes a crop circle, the device they used to do it leaves "fingerprints" that can be seen from areal photos. These "fingerprints" are found in every single crop circle. This is why I have never been fooled by this long lasting hoax (crop circles).

I expect many crop circle believers who are in denial to attack me now because they have a long list of things that make them believe they are real and can't possibly fathom the idea that every single thing they think supports crop circles is either a misunderstanding or a total lie.

Good day.



[edit on 19-7-2010 by Unst0ppable0ne]

reply to post by Unst0ppable0ne

Look Man there are Mickey Mouse Circles an there are really far out Circles would yea agree? now the first circle appeared in 1980 an since then in the south west of England alone at an average of lets say 4 a month from April- September that's a little over 20 a season so there has up till now in the last 30 years over 600 crop circles, now do yea think that all of the 600 were Man Made with planks! now thats not counting outside of England Mind you, i just cant belive the really Abstract Cubism an Mathematically Mind blowing circles! could possible be a man made thing because you would have to plan an sketch a diagram
for such a cleaver piece of work an that would take a lot of time an effort to achieve an then expect yourself an a cople of mates to go into a field at night an create a masterpiece in the dark in less than an hour without anybody noticing a thing especially the farmers dogs! listen man im an Artist an i coulden do it in broad day light an i dont think the likes of Michelangelo could ether IMO for what its worth!

Originally posted by liquidself
...

Jacques Vallee made some very interesting and original comments on crop formations recently and it went all but unheard. But these comments were outside the usual aliens vs. pranksters debate.

Jacques Vallee: Of Crop Circles, meme wars and web-based flypaper

Thank you for the link, Liquidself. Unfortunately, I don't think many actually read it.

Even considering that all CCs are man-made cereal art, the most interesting phenomenon is being over-looked, for the most part. To me it seems that most are so intent on proving that they are right, they don't see the forest from the trees, (if I may reciprocate the saying). They are missing the big picture. Generally speaking, their arguments tell me more about that individual than the actual subject matter, but that is for another discussion. Suffice to say that I am just as susceptible as anyone else to falling into that trap/mode of thinking and arguing.

"Art is the lie that helps us see the truth." Throw in some mathematical models and effects of observable physics and, well, the message becomes much more succinct. And don't discount that some of the CCs incorporate the surrounding terrain and it's features into the message/design itself.

CC art/messages impact some of us not just on a deductive logical level, but an intuitive gestalt as well, permeating down to the sub-conscious. In my opinion, whether man-made, paranormal, or a bit of both, CC communication is pure genius. I will indulge in the maker's puzzle just for those reasons alone...

Although, I will not pay for a tour.

Who cares who makes them??!?!?

What matters is What Do They Mean?...

woah it's a real tessaract, it seems to me this geometric shape comes up allot in sacred goemetry.

Ask, and it shall be answered
( not granted, take note the difference).

Seek, and you shall find
( may not be what you like with the result)

How many times had mankind stared at inexplicable overnight crop circles and wondered for decades; who made them and what does it mean?

Finally, here we have a confirmation, an an irrefutable clear and present answer. It is the Metatron's Cube that we are looking at.

The Metatron's Cube is a sacred geometrical representation of the 5 platonic solids that is derived from the flower of life, and is the representation of Metatron's soul. Metatron is the archangel, a DIVINE SCRIBE of the Almighty our Creator.

In otherwords, we are looking at his personal stamp/signature, ANSWERING once and for all, who had sent the latest crop circle to Earth or had been sending such messages to humanity.

Rather than to write long essay messages, simple signs would be used, and within the Kabbala mysticism and other ancient forms of sign langauges, it may hold answers to the various type that had been sent over the decades.

Link to Metatron's Cube. You can do your own further research if you wish to know more, on your own and free will, not mine.

It certainly does not escape one that such messages had been sent so far to only one location on Earth on a regular basis, while other areas are sprodic and at times found to be hoaxes. But the ones at Whitshire had yet to be found to be hoaxes, only man made expoundations, theories and opinions.

Thus for those who claim that crop circles are man-made, here's the challenge to the team of you to duplicate in exact precise detail the Metatron's Cube and the exact condition of the field, and be paid for it. Folks here only need donate $1 each, and you will probably walk away with tens of thousands for a night or nights work.

The only catch is, you will have to do it incognito - in the dark, avoid survelliance cams, watchful dogs and sensitive animals, leave no trails or marks. If you get shot at by the farmer owner who will not be in cahoots with you, you are on your own and game over.

Failure means the 'man-made' hypothesis can be put to rest, and any further squels of such will be termed as trolling. It would also mean that crop circles are NOT man-made, thus EXTRA TERRESTERIAL.

Think carefully first, and do not simply accept a challenge in brash bravodo. You will have to live with the consequences.

For those who believe it is non-made made, then think of the significance of this deciphered crop circle and what it means personally to you and your own free will future actions ...


Edited to add:-

There is a difference between predictions and vison. Visons are 6th sense perception of a reality yet to come, of timelines which are alterable as we attempt to comprehand quantum mechanics, and besides, such 6th sense is still under intense study by science as we evolve.

Predictions, however, are analysis of current situations that may lay the ground and basis of what is most likely to come in the future. Science use statistics, Spiritualists use 6th sense or based upon ancient books. Both system are still NOT Science or how a future will turn out.

Life follows no scripts. There is no predestination for all beings. Only the likeliest course base on present behaviour can we determine what the future will look like, but it may not turn out as it is 'predicted'.

It will be our free will that will determine the next steps, not scripts, 6th sense perceptions or ancient texts. The only constance in life is change. Nothing is cast is stone till it happens. Take heart.

Just sharing my insignificant and a nobody's insight. Cheers!


[edit on 19-7-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

Originally posted by -W1LL
Nerbot the burden of proof is on you. read my post a few back!

It is you who are wrong, not I. If you read MY posts then you would understand that.

If someone says they know what is a man made circle and what is "the real deal" and I ask them to show me the proof to verify how they know that difference, I am asking for information, therefore the burden of proof is for them to show me/us.

Originally posted by nerbot

If someone says they know what is a man made circle and what is "the real deal" and I ask them to show me the proof to verify how they know that difference, I am asking for information, therefore the burden of proof is for them to show me/us.

Rigid criteria for distinguishing between man-made and non-man-made crop circles have been developed over the years. They are regularly used by serious investigators.

Firstly, one can NEVER judge according to the quality of the crop circle. This is a subjective judgment over which different people will argue. Objective criteria are:
1. stalks inside pristine crop circles must show no signs of being snapped or splintered. Until human can learn to levitate, this is a reliable indication that the formation is not man-made;
2. some nodes on stalks must be swollen and elongated to a statistically significant degree, showing expulsion cavities in the walls of the nodes, where the superheated sap inside the stalk has been converted to steam and been blown out. See examples here:
www.bltresearch.com...
(scroll down to pics).
3. The plants must have been downed by significant bending at the nodes. If not, they have been mechanically crushed by boots and boards. Bending of most stalks near the ground and no sign of fractures or broken stalks is an excellent indication of non-human involvement. Care must be taken to take into account of phototropism and gravitropism;

Other criteria for distinguishing genuine from man-made crop circles are listed at Nancy Talbott's website:
www.bltresearch.com...

True science means the ability for anyone to duplicate a science 'fact' and gets the same results.

1+1 will always be equals to 2. This is a maths fact. Put a litmus paper into an acidic solution and it will always turn red. This is a science fact. Anyone can do it and get the similar answer. Simple enough.

For those who claim that crop circles are man-made, go right ahead and duplicate the Metatron's cube in EXACT detials, conditions and specs. It shouldn't be difficult, after science does not lie.

But if you or your team fails......you know the drill.

Enough of further lame excuses please.

reply to post by nerbot

Yea can tell the difference with your Eyes an your Feelings and sence of Touch! if yea care to go down to the West Country which i have many times since the late 6os an Meditated in the centor of the Circles you will get an idea of what i mean!

reply to post by Chadwickus


I'm glad you pointed it out so I wouldn't have to.

People don't understand that the fact that crop circles are in precise shapes makes them easier to do. And because they are so large, "mistakes" are hard to see, and nearly impossible to see with aerial photographs.

If "they" really wanted to prove something, let's hope "they" would be smart enough to do something that humans can't mimic so easily.

I'd compare these crop circles to stick figures. Any super intelligent creature in a UFO should be able to do something on so grand a scale that we'd have absolutely no doubt that humans could not have done it. Like...I don't know, maybe "they" could zap the White House with their super laser like in "Independence Day"! Imagine it now in the morning headlines, "WHITE HOUSE DESTROYED IN SECONDS BY MOTHERSHIP!"

(In such a situation, let's hope the innocent kids and others get spared, though, of course.)

Originally posted by Charismagic
Hypercube has appeared below the Fosbury Hill Fort

Cheers everyone!

A long hiatus, and then it seems the crop circle season is back again.

Without getting into arguements about the origins of the crop circles, let me share with you the one that has appeared below Fosbury Hill Fort on Haydown Hill.

Full credits to Crop Circle Connector

and to John Montgomery for the images

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1434b4d7971b.png[/atsimg]


I am really envious of the Brits! So many beautiful, mysterious crop circles to explore and study!

Another image

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f064fa61a787.png[/atsimg]

Aerial view

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7f908bef13ad.png[/atsimg]


Although the pics are by themselves nothing very spectacular, they still portray the three dimensional imagery of this one, linked apparently to the others that have appeared recently.

Thoughts?

The circle represents that all sides are equal, and this is not a square or a cube but a pyramid.

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
reply to post by Charismagic

 

Are yea trying to tell me that 90% of the circles are man made?

Nope, just the reverse!