Mosque At Ground Zero

Newsflash! I'll let you in on a little secret...It wasnt muslims who did 9/11 it was........

(guess)

reply to post by Three_moons


Then why is it considered to be Ground Zero? Either it is or it isn't on ground zero. If it's not then why all the misleading to think it is?

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
I am for it.

Every holy faith deserves a spot to preach. The tower they are planning's purpose is to show a sign of solidarity with not only The NYC Metro Area but with the WTC as well.

I don't think I can agree with you. I find a very high lack of sensitivity to the whole situation. I see many preach that we need to be sensitive to the Muslin culture, and I agree, but I think it should be a two way street.

I just wonder if a extremist Christian group blew up some Muslin icon in the middle east, killing many, and then another Christian group decided to build a Church on the spot. I would lean towards they would be killed as they laid the first brick….hehe

The WTC sits 3 miles from my home and is one of the unfortunate ones who did not need a tv to see it and breathe the now infamous "WTC Toxic Cloud Of Death" for 6 months until the stench and odor evaporated. Not a friendly thing, I am furious as to who brought it down and I've got it pintpointed to Bilderberg and the like and not one thing to do with Islam.

The only reason why this Arab/West "conflict" is merely a distraction play meant to hide the ever obvious massive power grab that goes Above The President. The MSM is a sucker for things like that as they salivate and get off on airing human suffering while having the audacity to claim it's "news". Hence how 7WTC collapsed while leaving 3World Financial Center still standing that is directly across the street to 2WTC S's western face.

My mom has COPD that may've been triggered by the cloud. I could've seen them from my roof. My city, Jersey City, NJ lost the 3rd largest group out of all the munucipalities in the region behind NYC and Hoboken, NJ. A friend of mine who've I known since my childhood got blown out of 1WTCN Fl 4 and lived with his arms from the elbow down covered in bandages for like 6 months. Another mutual acquaintances mom got blown back like a block and lived and is now a complete wreck as a result. My entire circle was affected by at least 25 different avenues. What most saw was on tv and by seeing on tv means you can trick your mind into forgetting about it but for us for people like me and the nearly 45 - 50 Million current and former citizen of this region will have to live with that for the rest of our lives as we cannot just forget.

Latest news on the reconstruction is that 1WTC's skeleton for bottom like 5 floors has eclipsed the sidewalk and has now begun it's vertical climb.
2WTC (200 Greenwich St), 3WTC (175 Greenwich St), 5WTC (130 Greenwich St) construction has yet to commence as the space for it has already been cleared for it.
4WTC (150 Greenwich St) construction has started and by now can be seen above street level.
6WTC (National 02/26/1993 & 09/11/01 Memorial Monument) construction has already started and is slated to be the first piece completed outside of 7WTC.
7WTC is open for business. 8WTC (WTC PATH Station) is under construction and the complex itself should be open for business starting 2015-2017 (pending things aren't still stalled like they are now, Silverstien's trying to pull his weight and it's delaying everything but that's for another thread entirely).

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[edit on 15-7-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]

reply to post by DragonFire1024


As to why it's titled that way I can't answer although I'll speculate it's to get people "up in arms" over something that should be allowed without conflict. As for some proof, here's a few.



In July 2009, the Muslim-run real estate company Soho Properties purchased a five-story building located two blocks north of the former World Trade Center site

Link

The ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee said Monday he favors an investigation into the funding of a proposed mosque near ground zero.

link

Plans for mosque near Ground Zero outrage Beach councilman.

(Zoom in on the map and you'll see it's location that's not at ground zero.)

map


Does this new information change your views at all?

Originally posted by Three_moons
reply to post by DragonFire1024

 

As to why it's titled that way I can't answer although I'll speculate it's to get people "up in arms" over something that should be allowed without conflict. As for some proof, here's a few.



In July 2009, the Muslim-run real estate company Soho Properties purchased a five-story building located two blocks north of the former World Trade Center site

Link

The ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee said Monday he favors an investigation into the funding of a proposed mosque near ground zero.

link

Plans for mosque near Ground Zero outrage Beach councilman.

(Zoom in on the map and you'll see it's location that's not at ground zero.)

map


Does this new information change your views at all?

Your map has it placed about not even what, like 750 feet from the corner of 7WTC, In reality to even get noticed that far in Downtown Manhattan you've got to be coming with at least 60 stories or like 750 feet tall or else no one cares. It's not going to radically alter and change the skyline like the new 1 - 4WTC are poised to do. It'll be the little guy amongst a group of giants. Besides, where else but NYC and the USA where we pointentially get the title of "Tallest Building Of Worship In The World". You know Saudi Arabia or someone else is going to try to answer to it? USA, USA!

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reply to post by Three_moons


My view stays the same. There are plenty of other places in NYC, not 750 feet from ground zero. I guess I am most angry at the speed this was approved, and the fact no one is caring about the memorials or other skyscrapers that were to be placed there. It is ridiculous. A mosque is NOT more important than a memorial.

A mosque mmm?

Well look on the bright side... least they would never fly a plane into it!

Better yet, turn the WTC site into a runway. How bad would that be for a terrorist? Hijack the aircraft, fly to new york hoping to crash into a building only to have to make a textbook landing

Lets erect a memorial to Japanese kamikazee pilots on the Arizona on Pearl Harbour while were at it.

I dont agree with this, i'm sorry, but i dont. As an irish american and I am not, whatsoever religious, i still can agree with this.

reply to post by Eddie K


*cannot

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Originally posted by 12voltz
I thought ground zero was a term used for a nuclear detonation ,have i missed something?Mosque,church,bar, whats the difference you go in pay your money,talk sh#t and go home .

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Really?

A mosque at ground zero is totally inappropriate.

What is going on here?

reply to post by catwhoknows


Why is it inappropriate? People have the right to freedom of religion. Just because it's near ground zero and they plan on building a mosque doesn't mean that the spot magically negates the constitutional right of these people to worship as they please.

Radical Islam is much different than regular Islam, the vast majority of Muslims in this country love this country, they would never do anything to hurt another human being. The radicals are akin to the Westborough Baptist Church and don't represent the views of the religion as a whole.

To deny them the right to worship as they choose, would be like denying a christian church to be built in Salem Massachusetts.

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reply to post by whatukno


A mosque at ground zero is inappropriate because the people who died here did not belong to a mosque.l

reply to post by catwhoknows


Are you sure that none of the 3000 people that died on 9/11 were Muslim? Did you interview each and every person that worked and died on that day?

My guess is: NO you didn't and so, you don't know that there weren't Muslims that died in the attacks.

Originally posted by felonius
reply to post by reesie45

 

I would like to get some capital money together and have a BBQ joint next door that sold nothing but pork products.

I'd send the neighbors smoked hams for breakfast, and ribs for lunch.

I'd be very neighborly to the dirt bags.

@Coffinman,

You say all those things like its a bad thing. Would you care for a little Mettwurst?

That would be sooooooo insencitive.

Originally posted by DragonFire1024
reply to post by Three_moons

 

Then why is it considered to be Ground Zero? Either it is or it isn't on ground zero. If it's not then why all the misleading to think it is?

Its sort of like the Dome of the Rock.....off to the side a little bit.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by felonius

 

That's probably one of the most hateful things I've ever seen on ATS. It reeks of ignorance and flies in the face of all this country stands for. Tolerance of religion if it's yours, right? They've really done a number on you with this Muslim thing, haven't they? Pity.

So, he's supposed to be tolerant of their religion, but they don't have to be tolerant of his diet and business practices?

Wow, double standardize much?

reply to post by felonius


Hmm, wouldn't it be interesting if the problem with radical Islam is the lack of pork products?

I know I would be upset if I couldn't get hold of some bacon!

I'm all for freedom of religion, provided that said religion upholds freedom of OTHER PEOPLE'S FREEDOM ALSO.

Unfortunately, the imam wanting to build this Islamic "victory house" on the site of such a tragedy believes quite the opposite, believing that if America wants peace with the conservative and extremist Islamics it needs to conform to Sharia Law the same way Indonesia and other prevalently Islamic countries do (AKA, Sharia Law comes first and foremost before National Law for the Islamic people, and in many cases, IS the national law, something we call a theocracy and also something our Founding Fathers did NOT ever want. Is separation of church and state becoming a lost concept or something?)

To the people who saying selling pork products is offensive because Islamic people are forbiddon of eating "dirty animals" well, its not law (not what most islamics would want you to believe) and its Just as offensive as building a cordoba house near where 3,000 people died. Even if you took away the fact they are muslim, and took away the fact that it was muslim terrorists who suicided jetliners into a Western mark of civilization, and took away the fact I live 20 miles away and knew four people working in the WTC that day-- NO RELIGION, PEOPLE NOR SECULAR GROUP WITH ANY COMPASSION SHOULD OR WOULD build a monument of victory on or near that horrific site!

And where are they getting money to do it? I believe the pricetag for demolition and construction is in the billions range-- that money is believed to be all coming from places housing terrorists; Yemen, Pakistan, etc.

I can't believe how many have already forgotten that day. Can't you people take your tin foil hats off for atleast a moment to remember and grieve for those civilians who died that day and yet more who continue to suffer for trying to help post 9/11 and now suffer permanently with conditions related to breathing in that destruction? Its one thing to postulate that shadow powers were behind it, but don't lose your compassion and heart for those who suffer from the tragedy.

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