Ask An Atheist Anything

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact

 

I can't be sure. Epistemological certainty on the matter of such a being would be impossible without actually being it yourself. You'd have to know everything to be certain. Hence agnostic atheist. I don't know, but I don't accept the claim.

that's cool man, I appreciate your formulated response for my small mind to be able to absorb...

but to take into account that upon my arrival here which group has been very busy seemingly non-stop trying to convince me of theirs...

I was only really asking questions to Atheists as this topic implies, not trying to educate anyone about how fact is actually established by a majority.

we are so beyond apologizing to Galileo now but just as with everything I guess it takes just a little time, hopefully we'll be around that long to see how it all pans out, but if judging by the history of things, and just how long atheism and theism have been around, I doubt seriously anything much will change in our lifetimes.

let me try this again...

using a little clearer definition of "love"

Christianity's God is mainly "love"

why do atheists not believe in "love" ?

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
let me try this again...

using a little clearer definition of "love"

Christianity's God is mainly "love"

why do atheists not believe in "love" ?

Most atheists believe in love.
No atheists believe in christ.

Your definition of love is unclear...

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Most atheists believe in love.
No atheists believe in christ.

Your definition of love is unclear...

so I am glad you are speaking for you, and not including or trying to attach yourself with a "we" but a "most" I suppose will do.

my definition of love is clear.

God is Love... and nowhere in my question did I state the word "Christ".

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So are you claiming only believers in the (Christian) god can know love? Seriously?

so far we have 2 Atheists who believe in "love" regardless of how they perceive it or words they use in which to describe it.

not bad.. not bad at all.

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You seriously trying to imply only believers are likely to love? That's beyond ridiculous

If not, what's your point?

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
my definition of love is clear.

God is Love... and nowhere in my question did I state the word "Christ".

You did use the word "christian", a derivative of christ.

Love is love. God is god. "God is love" is nonsensical.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Love is love. God is god. "God is love" is nonsensical.

ask any Christian you meet to define God... the answer you will get is "Love"

I guess I should have used the word Monotheism's God then huh ?

I am so glad you believe in what I perceive as God

either way, love is love...

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
ask any Christian you meet to define God... the answer you will get is "Love"

Then how do you define "love"?

either way, love is love...

Aren't you a christian? I thought god was love...(?)

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Anyway, if you're a christian and think god is love, I suppose you haven't read the old testament.

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God is love... I thought I already explained that to you ?

am I a Christian ? I really do not know... all I know is I love, love

you wanted me to define love ?

God is Love

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just so you might get a hint of the "power" Atheists are "actively" trying to defeat

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Love is love. God is god. "God is love" is nonsensical.

ask any Christian you meet to define God... the answer you will get is "Love"

I guess I should have used the word Monotheism's God then huh ?

I am so glad you believe in what I perceive as God

either way, love is love...

edit on 1/15/2011 by Cosmic.Artifact because: (no reason given)

That's a very faulty "logic" you're trying to apply here.

Basically, what you're doing is the same as saying "look at this banana, worshippers say god made it...ergo god exists". You attribute love to god without ever providing evidence to prove that link.

But I guess that's why it's called belief...

Originally posted by MrXYZ
That's a very faulty "logic" you're trying to apply here.

Basically, what you're doing is the same as saying "look at this banana, worshippers say god made it...ergo god exists". You attribute love to god without ever providing evidence to prove that link.

But I guess that's why it's called belief...

are you saying you can not "see" love out there in the world ? or between two humans ? or in the beauty of nature ?

please define more clearly how my logic of viewing God as Love is faulty...

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact


We already have a word for love...it's called "love". If you're implying that god has something to do with love, or that god is love, you'd have to show evidence to back up that claim.

Else all you're doing is using semantics to create some weird philosophical reasoning as to why god exists. Either way, it's not scientific, and not objective

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact

 

We already have a word for love...it's called "love". If you're implying that god has something to do with love, or that god is love, you'd have to show evidence to back up that claim.

no actually it is you who has to show evidence to the contrary...

for it is what I already believe, which you say is untrue, but is in "fact" already established by majority.

you peruse my claim and wish to abolish it do you not ?

the ball is in your court...

super weak Jediism if you ask me...

linear thought patterns followed by repetitious circular logic.

I question the supposed Jedi's trolling abilities

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no actually it is you who has to show evidence to the contrary...

for it is what I already believe, which you say is untrue, but is in "fact" already established by majority.

you peruse my claim and wish to abolish it do you not ?

the ball is in your court...

What evidence is there to the contrary? Love is a concept that we have written about and for many years, we feel it, this would still have meaning without a belief in God.

In regards to the beuty of observation, this is subjective. Without God i can still appreciate the beauty of a shooting star, or a sun set.

I don't have love for God the same way i have love for someone i know. Besides, your God destroys planets/solar systems/stars, while i may look beautiful, i'm sure it's not beautiful when your caught up in the middle of it.

I still don't know what your point of contention is.

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You keep on using the word "circular logic", but I think you don't really understand what it means. In what way are we using circular logic?

Here's I'll give you an example of circular logic:

1) The bible is the word of god
2) God exists because it said so in the bible

See what I did just there? Now you have an often used example of circular logic

reply to post by MrXYZ

proving non-existence: when an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist (e.g., prove God doesn't exist; prove UFO's haven't visited earth, etc.). Although one may prove non-existence in special limitations, such as showing that a box does not contain certain items, one cannot prove universal or absolute non-existence, or non-existence out of ignorance. One cannot prove something that does not exist. The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.

This argument from ignorance is the whole pretense to why Theists are at fault with their logic, and perhaps Deists. They make claims based on no evidence, this is a lewd irrational guess, blind belief should not be considered a virtue.

If i was to say infinity is the the reality we live in, a closed-loop Matrix, you would not believe me, because i can't make that claim to truth.

I ask any Theist to answer;

Which is the more superior position in regards to the question "Does God exist"?:-


Agnostic Atheism - "I don't currently have the knowledge to assert a belief."

Agnostic Theism - "I don't currently have the knowledge to say for sure but i have faith to assert a belief."

Gnostic Theism - "I know for certain there is a God"

Gnostic Atheism - "I know for certain there is no God."

Which position is the more honest? Which position is the more courageous? (and before anyone argues Agnostic Theism - is blind belief really a virtue?)

I'm an agnostic atheist in regards to a creator/deity but i'm a gnostic atheist in regards to religion's claims to know the deities desires because i know that no human can know this deities desires or whether it exists in the first place.