Islam is the best DEMOCRACY (NOT Western Democracy)

reply to post by oozyism


oozy, where you at? Get back on here. Don't make me come looking for you.

Mo's makin bacon.

reply to post by space cadet

Here is an example of why the west is apparently a better place to make your choice of religion:

I can sit here and say what I want, publish my opinion to this site and never worry about it if I said I was against my god, or I was an adulterer, or that I drink a lot.

Think.

Are you saying you can't publish your opinion under Islam?

Your points are too out there, like you can't keep it simple, because I know we can all make it complicated.

If I was living under Islamic rule, I wouldn't commit adultery, nor would I drink.

reply to post by oozyism


That is my point ozz. You could not do what you do right this very minute, if you lived under islamic rule. Yet you are saying that same rule is the democracy the world needs, and the USA democracy is not better.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

1. To understand the muslim world better, even though alone, you are certainly not representative of your culture, a system of worship to our common Creator, but enough insights that may lead to further seeking of truths to comprehend how the Eastern world lived, which was fully ignorant by Western civilisation and solely based upon news from the MSM, filtered news of which we now know.

No I don't represent anyone, the Quran represents GOD, Mohammad did represent, but doesn't represent any more because he is not here currently, we can only take his words, but since he is not here, we can only take his words which was spoken long time ago. Allah states that Quran is for all times, but not Hadith, Hadith is simply history, allowing us to look at historical perspective of things.

The Quran is the word of GOD, the only thing which represents thy in this earth at the moment, at least the only uncorrupted...

Quran

The soul representative, for all time until the day of judgement.

I made the thread, yes, but it seems no one is bothered in discussion, if they were they would start from simple points, then advance and then ultimately bring it all together to a conclusion.

That hasn't happened, with any of the thread readers, or posters.

The subjects can't even answer a simple yes or no question.

If they can't even avoid hate, and come to one simple agreement, the move forward, then non of the conversations, or discussion will move forward.



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Originally posted by space cadet
reply to post by oozyism

 

That is my point ozz. You could not do what you do right this very minute, if you lived under islamic rule. Yet you are saying that same rule is the democracy the world needs, and the USA democracy is not better.

In order for that to be correct you must agree that Adultery + Drinking is good. Do we agree?

reply to post by oozyism


Hey ooz, quit chasing the white woman.

I want to show you some more pictures.

Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
reply to post by oozyism

 

Hey ooz, quit chasing the white woman.

I want to show you some more pictures.

Have you read the Bible recently my Christian friend

Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them."

Just so you don't talk about abolish this, abolish that:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

I love Christians, especially the ones who hide their belief.

reply to post by RizeorDie


you wouldnt just go to hell9IF at all) , you would loose your voice to those "still in power" on the earthly world

reply to post by oozyism


I do not agree, I like to have a few drinks, but not adultry.


So where does that leave the answer? I do not understand why we would need to agree in order for you to answer.


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[edit on 18-7-2010 by space cadet]

Originally posted by space cadet
reply to post by oozyism

 

I do not agree, I like to have a few drinks, but not adultry.


So where does that leave the answer? I do not understand why we would need to agree in order for you to answer.


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[edit on 18-7-2010 by space cadet]

This is what you said, that

That is my point ozz. You could not do what you do right this very minute, if you lived under islamic rule. Yet you are saying that same rule is the democracy the world needs, and the USA democracy is not better.

You said I wouldn't be able to drink or commit adultery if I was living under Islam. Then you gave that as a reasoning for for USA Democracy being better.

Am I correct till this point?

Then I assume you gave that reasoning due to your desire to drink here and there.

I understand that everyone has urges, heck I can't stop drinking even while my belief is against it, but having urges doesn't make it better.

Do you understand the above point I made?

Let me elaborate the above bold point:
Just because we have an urge to have sex with beautiful women we see, doesn't make it right to allow rape, meaning sex without consent of the opposite.

Alcohol causes huge problems in the society, we can eve accept that within this year in America drunk driving has killed more Americans than terrorists.

In 2008 13,846 victims of drunk driving, this is excluding the violence, the murder, the rape, social problems etc which occurs under the influence of Alcohol.

I can go on..

Alcohol is not bad, getting intoxicated is bad.

You can abuse anything, and here in New Zealand where bench drinking culture is flourishing, the most unsafe place for a New Zealander is his/her home.

Approximately 700,000 family violence incidents are predicted every year, that is a staggering number when taking in to consideration New Zealand's population, it is probably about 4-5 million.

reply to post by oozyism


I think we are just missing each other's point here. I am not comparing statistics of drunk driving or terrorism. I am simply saying that under Islamic rule, you could not basically do what you want. If adultry was admitted under Islamic rule, you tell me, what would be the consequence, for a man, or for a woman.

A person in the USA would not even have this concern.

Under Islamic rule, which is guided by the koran, you have no life choices to make. And women are needlessly persecuted. If you study the koran in the USA, you will not be under Islamic rule, and you would not suffer the consequences.

So does that mean that the person in the USA is better off?
Or is the person under Islamic rule (guided by the words of the Koran) the better study?

reply to post by space cadet

I am simply saying that under Islamic rule, you could not basically do what you want.

OK we have to agree on this one, that you cant do what ever you want under any rule. That is exactly why laws are established. Quran is sets the boundaries, but within those boundaries you are free to choose.

Does that make sense?

If adultry was admitted under Islamic rule, you tell me, what would be the consequence, for a man, or for a woman.

Adultery is breaking of an agreement, and every agreement which you break has a punishment. Hence if you break the law, which is an agreement between you, and your fellow citizens, you will get punishment.

You might argue that marriage is an agreement between two people therefore is private. But Islamically speaking, once you make an agreement with Islamic law, marriage agreement will be done under Islamic law therefore you will already be aware of your punishment, if you break the agreement.

You can divorce if you wish, in Islamic sense, women can call for divorce much easier than men. That being said, reiterates my previous point in this thread, that women and men are treated differently because they are different.

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reply to post by oozyism


But you do drink!

Do you commit adultery as well oozy?

Seems to me you spend a lot of time extolling the virtues of The Koran whilst enjoying the very sins that it preaches against.

Yet another example of the pious and self-righteous being complete hypocrites!

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by oozyism

 

But you do drink!

Do you commit adultery as well oozy?

Seems to me you spend a lot of time extolling the virtues of The Koran whilst enjoying the very sins that it preaches against.

Yet another example of the pious and self-righteous being complete hypocrites!

Nope never committed adultery, I drink, yes, but that was a mistake I made in the time when I was you, you will love this thread of mine I bet, unless you are a Christian.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is about a GOD I invented myself, go enjoy it, don't waste your time in this thread.

reply to post by oozyism


But according to what you have already posted you still drink, contrary to the dictates of The Koran you so piously extol.

Your own personal actions define you; hypocrite!

As for me?
Way off the mark, I am no Christian I assure you!

reply to post by Freeborn


If you are not a Christian, go away, read my thread, go waste your time there:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by oozyism


That thread is nonsense and deliberately inflammatory, quelle suprise.

You say you started the thread, if true I suggest you check T&C.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by oozyism

 

That thread is nonsense and deliberately inflammatory, quelle suprise.

You say you started the thread, if true I suggest you check T&C.

Go away, I don't know what you are trying to gain from trolling.

That thread is for agnostics, and Atheists like you, go read it over and over again until you understand it.

And try proving "time" wrong, it should be a buzz for you.

reply to post by oozyism


Just who the hell do you think you are talking to people like that.

This is an open forum and I shall go where I wish.
Yet another cyber-warrior whose balls in real life are no doubt the size of a pea!

You are nothing more than a self-righteous, ignorant, arrogant and antagonistic ignoramous whose single aim seems to be to provoke people rather than enter into reasoned and respectful debate.

You have consistently ignored numerous questionsn directed at you whilst insulting anyone and everyone who has disagreed with you.

Your arrogance knows no bounds.

The strength of your arguement rests solely on the validity of The Koran yet you openly disregard one of it's most basic tenets.

You sir are a hypocrite and have no credibility whatsoever.

reply to post by oozyism


Why is it that anyone who disagrees with you is a troll?

Everything have posted has some relevamce to this thread.

You seem intent on bullying and brow beating everyone into agreeing with you, the antithess if this site.

You insist upon using your own defenition of words in the English language.

You attempt to change the goal posts mid-thread.

And where in T&C does it state that this thread is for Muslims and Christians only?