Islam is the best DEMOCRACY (NOT Western Democracy)

reply to post by space cadet

You are making up interpretations of the bible. That in itself, is a sin against God.

If I misquoted, or intentionally posted wrong information then it is a sin, but I know what a sin is, a sin is intentional, a mistake is not intentional.

That being said, I have not committed any sin, I know my self, because I know what my intentions were.

Now all that aside:

Ritual impurity of a mother is TWICE as long if a female is born and not a male. (LEVITICUS 12:2-5)

This is correct, that it is twice as long for female than male, why do you suppose that is?

The birth of a daugher is a loss"(ECCLESIASTICUS 22:3).

If I made a mistake I apologize:

Ecclesiasticus 22:1 A slothful man is compared to a filthy stone, and every one will hiss him out to his disgrace.

Ecclesiasticus 22:2 A slothful man is compared to the filth of a dunghill: every man that takes it up will shake his hand.

Ecclesiasticus 22:3 An evilnurtured man is the dishonour of his father that begat him: and a 22:foolish daughter is born to his loss.

You clarify what it means for us, 22:3, cause I can't even comprehend what it is saying.

Yes isolated, it sounds as if it is a loss to have a daughter, but that is isolated, what does it mean in context.

And what about all the other verses?

Christianity is the BEST DEMOCRACY, here is why:

Western Democracy works on majority, while Christian DEMOCRACY works on individual level.

Let's make it simple and break it down:

- Christianity is the nation.

- A Christian is the citizen of the body of Christ.

- The constitution of Christianity is the bible.


Those three points make a perfect Democracy, because you choose whether you want to become a Christian or not, no need for voting, no need for majority, while the minority watches and wait until it becomes the Majority etc.

Once you become a Christian you accept the Bible as your constitution, and govern yourself, and those who want to be under Christianity, through the Bible, which makes a perfect DEMOCRACY.

CASE CLOSED!!

In the best tradition of democracy, i.e. free choice, I am changing my mind.

Judaism is the BEST DEMOCRACY, here is why:

Western Democracy works on majority, while Jewish DEMOCRACY works on individual level.

Let's make it simple and break it down:

- Israel is the nation.

_ A jew is the citizen of Israel.

- The constitution of Judaism is the Torah.

Those three points make a perfect Democracy, because you choose whether you want to become a Jew or not, no need for voting, no need for majority, while the minority watches and wait until it becomes the Majority etc.

Once you become a Jew you accept the Torah as your constitution, and govern yourself, and those who want to be under Judaism, through the Torah, which makes a perfect DEMOCRACY.

CASE CLOSED!!

On the other hand . . . maybe this entire conclusory drivel is just nonsense. If we are going to change the definition of Democracy, like calling it "choice" instead of what it really means, let's agree instead it means a huge government bureaucracy, overseeing masses of different factions with lobbyists, that has a hard time getting anything useful done. Using my definition of Democracy, the United States is the perfect Democracy.

CASE CLOSED!!

Islam started 700 years after Christ redeemed the world through a principle of grace. And Mohammad apparently uptruned grace and took it back to works? In religious terms (and I hate religion) that woudl be a backward step, and it is.

Democracy is not a Biblical principle. Kingdom is a biblical principle. Most Christians in most churches live a democratic life and go to a democratic church, which is nothing like what Jesus preached.

Kingdom people are a nation.

A Kingdom believer inherits everything Christ has and will have.

The constitution of this kingdom is the Bible



end of story

I shoudl have said as any democrasy is unbiblical, it can't agree with anything Bibloical or even in the Quaren. So as a poster, you haven't even understood your own religion. Islam is not a democrasy.

Go relearn your foundation.

This thread has become a joke and should be closed.

There is now no attempt at all at reasoned debate and the trading of insults has become boring and lacking comedic value,

Originally posted by oozyism
Islam is the BEST DEMOCRACY, here is why:

Western Democracy works on majority, while Islamic DEMOCRACY works on individual level.

Let's make it simple and break it down:

- Islam is the nation.

Nations (millions of people) are too big to function under democracy.
As a minority can be millions of peoples that didn't get what they want.

There needs to be many different polities of much smaller groups.
So people could live with policies compliant with their beliefs.

So many more people can live with the policies they wish.
In smaller polities where their votes can be worth percentage points.

- A Muslim is the citizen of Islam.

Sounds like it's very easy to infiltrate.
Wear some clothes and memorize a few lines.

Can get anywhere in an Islam nation?

- The constitution of Islam is the Quran.

Like mentioned earlier.
It is required to have many different policies,
as there are many different peoples,
and belief systems.

Those three points make a perfect Democracy, because you choose whether you want to become a Muslim or not,

no need for voting,

Voting is essential to democracy.
Voting on any policy,
before it is accepted into the polity,
by all members.

CASE CLOSED!!

Questions and Comments invited.

PEACE!!

[edit on 19-7-2010 by lowki]

hehe, i assume you wrote this when you where very very drunk= or at a state where you lost your intelligence - This should go on the humor page its quite funny.

Ill show you why




Let's make it simple and break it down:

- Christianity is the nation.

- A Christian is the citizen of Christianity.

- The constitution of Christianity is the Bible.

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And you can continue with that with every single religion wich has been created the last 35 000 years


You made a good laugh at least

To be honest, i cant take Islam serious before they come with one single good logical reason why they put a black sheet over their women.

Ive heard that its for the men, so they wont get tempted sexually. IF that is the reason, it cant get more retarded, we live in 2010, if you cant control yourself more than that, you are a caveman and must be treated like it.

reply to post by oozyism



Hey oozy, where you at dog?

I got a question for ya.

I'll take anarchy over Islamic "democracy"

edit:
OP. Who gets to be the leader in an Islamic "democracy"? Who Dictates what your holy book says? The book says that women are inferior (simply not the case, you know it)
You said there is no voting, how does that make a people free? Have you actually researched the term "democracy" or are you just pulling things out of dark sweaty, places?
I think what you are looking for is Islam is the perfect "theocracy". Go read your spiderman comics Beavis.

[edit on 19-7-2010 by brutalsun]

Islam is a religion NOT a democracy!!! Are u freaking serious???

Most Islamic countries are not even Democracies themselevs...they are RULED by ISLAMIC LAW which is NOT DEMOCRATIC. It is totalitarian and authoritative. Woemn can even show their faces in public!!

PLEASE are youl like 12 years old or something? Worst thread ever. MONUMENTAL FAIL.

Originally posted by oozyism
Islam is the BEST DEMOCRACY, here is why:

Western Democracy works on majority, while Islamic DEMOCRACY works on individual level.

Let's make it simple and break it down:

- Islam is the nation.

- A Muslim is the citizen of Islam.

- The constitution of Islam is the Quran.


Those three points make a perfect Democracy, because you choose whether you want to become a Muslim or not, no need for voting, no need for majority, while the minority watches and wait until it becomes the Majority etc.

Once you become a Muslim you accept the Quran as your constitution, and govern yourself, and those who want to be under Islam, through Quran, which makes a perfect DEMOCRACY.

CASE CLOSED!!

Questions and Comments invited.

PEACE!!

reply to post by princeofpeace

Islam is a religion NOT a democracy!!! Are u freaking serious???

Most Islamic countries are not even Democracies themselevs...they are RULED by ISLAMIC LAW which is NOT DEMOCRATIC. It is totalitarian and authoritative. Woemn can even show their faces in public!!

You know exactly what I meant by Democracy, it is on my second post of this thread, if you didn't read it, here:

By Democracy I mean choice, that you ultimately have the choice to choose whether you want Islamic law to be implemented on you.

That individual choice doesn't exist in Western Democracy, hence majority choice.

And the current supposed Islamic countries don't follow the Quran, they are mixture of culture and Islam.

reply to post by brutalsun

The book says that women are inferior (simply not the case, you know it)
You said there is no voting, how does that make a people free?

Both claims are wrong, firstly women are not inferior than men, they are different, which doesn't make them inferior.

Second, there is no need for voting, when you choose at individual level whether you want Islamic law to be implemented on you or not.

Yeah.

So in every Islamic nation I have visited, it sure seemed like a democracy to me. I mean, the starving folk on the streets with no rights, the police bashing them into submission...

Love the food though. History is just as tasty.

Democracy? No.

Just damn nice food.Which many cannot even afford.

Perfect.

And the different sects? And the different translations of the Quaran which differ from ruling in each nation?

Amazing culture, but democracy it is not. Nor a reseblance. Not that democracy is all that great anway. It usually ends up as a Stalanist type of leadership in the Islamic countries. I've been to most Islamic countries, and the can't even ally together.

Hmm... I feel like a good Shawama right now.

You might not like this, but (the people at least) in Iran are some of the friendliest folk you will ever meet. But most claim not to have voted for their leader.

reply to post by oozyism


Just thought id jump in here things seem to be getting a little stale,
so do you think sharia law is a good idea?, would you like to see it
introducedin NZ?

reply to post by Archirvion

- Christianity is the nation.

- A Christian is the citizen of Christianity.

- The constitution of Christianity is the Bible.

The difference is, that once you join Christianity, as stated in the Bible, you can't leave. It states in the Bible, kill the apostates.

Very different indeed.

If the Bible was the constitution, it wouldn't make it better Democracy than the Western Democracy, because the Bible teachings, as provided in previous pages, shows that once you join Christianity, you should be killed if you leave.

That doesn't give you the ultimate individual choice.

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

So the Bible doesn't even allow others to stay in their own faith. That is not choice, or even has any resemblance to Democracy, which doesn't make it a better Democracy, but a totalitarian regimes which forces everyone to stay under its own laws, and belief.

Romans 1:20-32 (from the New Testament) "20. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

23. and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

25. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

26. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

27. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

29. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

30. slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

31. they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

32. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

Read the above carefully and see what conclusion you come with.

And if you are gonna say Jesus came to abolish the OT:

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

Does this democracy give people their own personal harems and other privelleges?....

[edit on 20-7-2010 by Leonardo01]

Originally posted by lestweforget
reply to post by oozyism

 

Just thought id jump in here things seem to be getting a little stale,
so do you think sharia law is a good idea?, would you like to see it
introducedin NZ?

Depends what you mean by Sharia law, and no, if by implement you mean everyone should/must follow it, then no, but if you mean allow people to choose whether they want to be ruled by Islamic>Quranic law, then yes.

That is the ultimate choice I'm talking about.

You make the agreement whether you want to be judged, or sentenced based on Quranic law.

reply to post by oozyism


So you expect countries to have two sets of laws, to accomadate those wishing to be ruled by sharia?

Originally posted by lestweforget
reply to post by oozyism

 

So you expect countries to have two sets of laws, to accomadate those wishing to be ruled by sharia?

Yes, by choice.

Isn't that what the essence of Democracy is anyways?

To allow people to choose the way of their governance?