God Particle has been found!!!

I wonder how close CERN were to making this discovery? Perhaps without the operational set backs they would have arrived at the same point parallel to Fermi.

If CERN was truly sabotaged from the future, then the future folks didn't do a very thourough job of making sure us oldies didn't find the Higgs Boson.

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Thank you

This is news to me, but I just sent an email to my old physics professor I am close to who works at Fermi to see whether this is true or not. So if he tells me any information I'll let you all know...

This would definitely be a slap in the face to the CERN, but it would not be a complete waste: there are more purposes for CERN than just finding the Higgs.

This is very exciting

Now all we need is the string theory to be proven.

Then I shall hop on over to one of the other dimensions

Just because its called the God Particle doesnt mean its made out of God, so if anyone can tell me what the higs boson is as if we were like 5 so we can understand please do. I almost guarantee that if you did noone would care. But just cuz it got that stupid nickname people who dont even care about that science are like oooh a particle that proves the existance of god or something!

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No problem atall. The video has great visuals which I love, it's really difficult for me to imagine things on such a small scale, so I enjoy seeing the CGI.

This for me is like when I did Physics at school and my teacher explained to me that light was made of photons, and that these were discreet packets of energy but they didn't have mass(unless you count rest mass). It literally blew my mind!

Of course this time I'm not lagging behind in knowledge (although obviously I don't understand all the physics behind the research) I'm actually present for the potential discovery or confirmation of a long held theory.

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By my understanding - and it may be limited so please correct me if I'm coming off like an idiot - the Higgs Bosun is a (maybe not now) theoretical particle that allows for the inception of mass in virtually all other sub-atomic particles except for photons and gravitons - and by association, everything else in the known universe. In other words, it's the (again, maybe not now) theoretical reason the universe in all it's glory developed the way it did... hence, "God" particle.

Is that even remotely correct? I'm trying to explain something I barely understand myself...



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Originally posted by Maxmars
Such news, if true, will truly be an embarrassment to those industrial interests that funneled (and continue to funnel) billions upon billions of tax-payer funds into the CERN project. They insisted that no other facility could achieve such a goal.

I think you need to stop here and ponder a little on why (if true) it took FNAL such a long time to produce a "rumor of a hint of possibility". The answer is, discovery potential at FNAL was always there but was extremely low due to energies available. If indeed true, they can collect marginal statistics at best, and have no way of really studying Higgs in much detail. And there is a whole host of other phenomena that we may discover at LHC that we couldn't probe at FNAL.

Oh the ironic counter-intuitive lesson that teaches... throwing massive amounts of revenue at a problem doesn't necessarily guarantee success.

Sure, there are plenty of examples in recent history that prove that. Besides, all of the LHC project pales, in terms of cost, when compared to military and entitlement programs.

Got to go, so apologies in advance for not replying.

Hopefully by tomorrow morning they will have gone some way to confirming this. BellaMente thanks for that hopefully hear back from your source too. Cheers

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Sorry for the late reply that is probably as good as I could put it myself. I have to say I'm not totally clued up on this material either. For those of you in the same boat as me here is a documentary I'm watching this evening. It's primarily about CERN but it gives some really good insights into other aspects of the theory!

I love how this guy keeps smacking his fists together to signify particle collisions, it's like he and the other scientists are just big kids that are looking to smash things up to find out whats in them.

www.documentary-log.com...

Part 3 below is the most related to the thread, but the whole doc's a good show!



To add definitely off to bed now, have to get up early and deal with stupid reality...

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Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but my source just replied letting me know that this is NOT true.

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Thanks for the heads up. It's nice that we have someone in the field who's connected that can verify or debunk claims like this.

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how in the hell was this rumor "created"?

someone jumped the gun before verifying or what?

thanks

Originally posted by buddhasystem
I think you need to stop here and ponder a little on why (if true) it took FNAL such a long time to produce a "rumor of a hint of possibility". The answer is, discovery potential at FNAL was always there but was extremely low due to energies available. If indeed true, they can collect marginal statistics at best, and have no way of really studying Higgs in much detail. And there is a whole host of other phenomena that we may discover at LHC that we couldn't probe at FNAL.

Thanks for bringing some sanity to this thread!!

This is still just assumptions people.

If Fermi lab finds the higgs it will not be even close to the amount of detail that the LHC will be able to show it at.

CERN did not waste money on the LHC because the LHC has a ton of more power than Fermi lab and we have no idea what will show up at those powers.

We could find things that we have never even imagined. There has been lots of those 'what the hell is that' moment with particle accelerators.

Lots more to discover, lots, and Fermi has been running for a lot more time than the LHC has been going. The LHC is still doing very few collisions and will increase in the time ahead.

This is a very interesting time for particle physics.

I personally do not think that Fermi has found it, they have been at max power for a while now, and I think they are just trying to steal some thunder away from the LHC.



Pred...

Oh My gODD Particle .

This Is Absolutely The Mostest, Wonderfulestest, Bestest, Greatestest Discovery Of ALL Times.

Thanks BE To Him Oh Mighty Particle.

Now It Can Save Us From OURSELVES:
WHAT THIS MEANS TO SAVE ALL MANKIND - ISH

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Basically: The standard model of particle physics describes six quarks, six leptons and four forces. The math is sound and predicts certain events accurately. The problem is that it doesn't allow for the existence of mass.

So the big question is "where does the mass come from".

The postulated answer is that there is an omnipresent "vacuum" field (the "Higgs Field") in the universe that is super-energized.

Without it, everything would be pure energy. It essentially "slows" particles down enough for mass to exist.

The "god particle" would be the evidence that this "vacuum field" actually exists.

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The implications of this possible discovery are vast. Technologies born of this understanding would change everything.

The Higgs Boson is basically, the phyiscal manifestation of a quantum component (think "virtual particle") of the "Higgs Field" which is theorized to permeate ALL of space (including the "vacuum"). The Higgs Boson is a particle of that field, similar to how Photons are particles of the electromagnetic field.

The Higgs field and particles interact with other particles, and give them mass. The effect of the Higgs field is sort of like, Jello, and all other particles (electrons, etc) are dragged upon by it, thus giving them measurable mass. The Higgs Boson itself is virtual/quantum, but can be manifested and its presence measured by smashing bits of matter together at extremely high energies and observing the soup of particles that come out of the explosion.

Sorry if that doesn't sound simple enough, it's not a simple thing to envision if you are not used to thinking in such a way.

Proving the existence of the Higgs Boson would answer many questions, like why do certain particles have mass, and the realization that the vacuum of space is not a true vacuum if it is permeated by the Higgs field. It could be the answer to what/where "Dark Matter/Energy" is.

Note that I am not an expert and am only trying to explain things from what I know and attempting to make it understandable to someone who is not familiar with such things. I apologize for my crude and simplistic explanation that as a result is inaccurate. Hopefully though it helps you understand more or makes you want to find out more about the world and universe around you.

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There is no God particle, because God has nothing in common with this planet.