Raise your hand if you believe in the 'gay agenda'?

reply to post by Before2017Victor


Certainly. Those who work to push the gay agenda are first of all trying to get us to accept that something that is a chemical/hormonal anomoly from birth is in fact something worthy of creating special rights for.

Scientists have already found a way to prevent homosexuality in livestock by giving dietary supplements to the mothers. However, instead of heralding this as a medical miracle the folks behind the gay agenda claim it is an atrocity, because just like an alcoholic they refuse to accept the fact that their decisions are being impacted by a birth anomoly.



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Well, they should get the same treatment as any other citizen.
To me it seems the right thing to do. Of course you may not care cause you're not one of them.
But don't you think they deserve the same treatment as anyone else?
You're right it's totally biological the way they are. Again it's only right and fair.

reply to post by Before2017Victor


I do agree they should be treated fairly, as in not demeaned, abused, taunted etc... I disagree that they should get special rights as in making crimes against them punishable under hate crime laws, but then again all hate crime laws are special rights for whoever they protect and are in my mind unconstitutional. Also, I dont think we shouldnt have to change the definition of marriage in order to fit their desires. Also, our kids should not be taught at school how to perform or about homosexual sex acts, just because some people are gay. That would be like teaching kids how to mainline heroin, because some kids are born with a predisposition to be drug addicts.

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Originally posted by ZuluChaka
reply to post by Before2017Victor

 

Certainly. Those who work to push the gay agenda are first of all trying to get us to accept that something that is a chemical/hormonal anomoly from birth is in fact something worthy of creating special rights for.

Scientists have already found a way to prevent homosexuality in livestock by giving dietary supplements to the mothers. However, instead of heralding this as a medical miracle the folks behind the gay agenda claim it is an atrocity, because just like an alcoholic they refuse to accept the fact that their decisions are being impacted by a birth anomoly.



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Special rights? You mean equal rights?
There are hate crimes against people who are mentally ill, does that mean they shouldn't be allowed special treatment?
When people are specifically targeting gay people, that IS a hate crime because it is BECAUSE they are gay, it doesn't matter if it's a birth anomaly, they're being attacked because they are gay.

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No I mean special rights. Special rights as in someone being puniished more for commiting a crime against a homesexual than a straight person, or for commiting a crime against a black man instead of a white man.

Now you could say that straight people have a special right to marry when other sexual orientations do not, and you could even make a case we should be stripped of those rights, but you cannot say that we should redifie marriage to allow homosexuals but not give those rights to polygamists, couples where one or more parties is under 18, Incest, or any other sexual twist or perversion.

reply to post by hippomchippo

There are hate crimes against people who are mentally ill, does that mean they shouldn't be allowed special treatment?
When people are specifically targeting gay people, that IS a hate crime because it is BECAUSE they are gay, it doesn't matter if it's a birth anomaly, they're being attacked because they are gay.

Yes I do not think any group of people should get special treatment under the law, including the mentally ill.

It doesn't matter why someone beat you or killed you or robbed you or maimed you. They should get punished, because they broke the law. Justice is supposed to be equal and blind.

So are you saying no crime has ever been commited against a white person or a straight person due to hate? Is it a hate crime when a guy killed his wife and they ask him why and he says, "because I hated that bitch"?

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Originally posted by ZuluChaka
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

No I mean special rights. Special rights as in someone being puniished more for commiting a crime against a homesexual than a straight person, or for commiting a crime against a black man instead of a white man.

Now you could say that straight people have a special right to marry when other sexual orientations do not, and you could even make a case we should be stripped of those rights, but you cannot say that we should redifie marriage to allow homosexuals but not give those rights to polygamists, couples where one or more parties is under 18, Incest, or any other sexual twist or perversion.

Yeah, exactly.
Because if a gay person is targeted and killed for being GAY, that IS a hate crime, because if that person was not gay, he would not have been targeted and killed.
For the exact same reasons if a white person is killed for being WHITE it is a hate crime.
And sure, if a straight person is targeted for being straight, it is also a hate crime, why wouldn't it be?
Hate crimes are judged by attacking a specific social group, straight, gay, white, black, they would all be hate crimes.
No, if a person kills his wife and says because I hated that bitch, it wouldn't be, if he said I killed her because I hate women, it would be, or I killed her because she's white, it would be.

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Originally posted by ZuluChaka
reply to post by Before2017Victor

 

Scientists have already found a way to prevent homosexuality in livestock by giving dietary supplements to the mothers. However, instead of heralding this as a medical miracle the folks behind the gay agenda claim it is an atrocity, because just like an alcoholic they refuse to accept the fact that their decisions are being impacted by a birth anomoly.

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Whoa I didn't see this part before...
I am no sure why you'd post that.

Homosexuality is not just in our species btw.

Are you...are you comfortable with the idea of erradicating homosexuality?
If you are why? Homosexuality doesn't effect the population or anything.

Do you see a future without homosexuality?
And if that's the case where does it end?
Let's get rid of all the "undesirables" then shall we.

How about we get rid of the "ugly", and the mentally challenged...and hey let's favour certain races while we're at it. Get rid of anything people don't like. If I don't like you...I should just make sure to let the scientists figure out how to not breed another person like you.



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reply to post by ZuluChaka

Yes that will fix everything....just medicate them their entire lives and they wont remember ever liking the same sex. Assuming this is true and not something you found randomly on google....simply put it would not work. The easiest example to explain why is with children who are born with one or more sexual organs and the parents elect to choose the sex for the child as a baby. Have you seen the hardships these children face during puberty? When they realize they dont want to be the sex their parents chose for them? Its torture plain and simple. Its ridiculous to even think some medicine could change the way someone felt, not to mention the possible side effects and the costs....Wouldnt it just be easier to accept everyone as they are? How is it hurting you or stopping you from living your life? Exactly.

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However white people and straight people are not protected under hate crime laws. Plus, if somebody killed you does it really matter why. You are dead, so shouldnt they get the most sever punishment by law regardless of motive.

reply to post by Before2017Victor


So you are saying you wouldnt try to prevent a person from being born handicapped or mentally challenged if the ability to do that existed? I think we should cure as many diseases and maladies in the womb as possible,so a person could have the best life possible. It would be hateful to do otherwise.

Originally posted by ZuluChaka
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

However white people and straight people are not protected under hate crime laws. Plus, if somebody killed you does it really matter why. You are dead, so shouldnt they get the most sever punishment by law regardless of motive.

Yes they are protected under hate crime laws, I just don't think anyones been charged with a hate crime against straight people because straight people are the overwhelming majority.
Yes, I think it does matter why you killed someone, it's called intent, and if people are killing others due to race, who's to say they won't do it again in comparison to someone who kills in a moment of passion?

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How am I any less dead if someone kills me becasue I am gay or white or black or jewish or richer or poorer or uglier or because they loved me tooo much. Murder is murder. The only thing that should lessen it is if it was self defense or to protect someone else.

Originally posted by ZuluChaka
reply to post by Before2017Victor

 

So you are saying you wouldnt try to prevent a person from being born handicapped or mentally challenged if the ability to do that existed? I think we should cure as many diseases and maladies in the womb as possible,so a person could have the best life possible. It would be hateful to do otherwise.

You're off topic. I am talking about homosexuality. You didn't answer the question. It's about something which isn't a disease, contagious, or a threat to anything/anyone.

And you sir seem to wish it was done with.
That makes me sick. Really now.

I know you havn't said it, but through implication you have.
"Let's get rid of homosexuality."
Certainly it's not hateful to just get rid of homosexuals all together, and have them suffer from having to endure so much pain in society from not being accepted. *sarcasm*

Why not just accept them?

Perhaps I am putting words in your mouth. But I have a feeling...and I dislike it A LOT...that we're going to head for a world where...
ugh I don't even want to go there.

This is terrible.

Originally posted by ZuluChaka
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

How am I any less dead if someone kills me becasue I am gay or white or black or jewish or richer or poorer or uglier or because they loved me tooo much. Murder is murder. The only thing that should lessen it is if it was self defense or to protect someone else.

It doesn't matter about the other persons ''deadness'' it matters on intent.
Someone who kills another because of race is alot more likely to do it again than someone who killed for a passion or in the heat of the moment.
I thought that would be obvious.

reply to post by Before2017Victor


Some homosexuals act as if they're trying to compete with heterosexuality. The problem is, it seems as if homosexuality has become a "trend". Look at all the (mostly) female entertainment industry puppets who claim to be bisexual. Encouraging homosexuality could be a part of the depopulation agenda. It also contributes to the breakdown of the neutral family. Also, look at how the media portrays homosexuals as victims of discrimination and how they try to push the redefining of marriage. Homosexuality is being shoved down people's throats. They think they have the right to tell people that they HAVE to accept a certain lifestyle.

I think some people are born gay, but I think it's a birth defect. There's no reason for anyone to be born gay. Two people of the same sex can't reproduce. Other people who claim to be gay suffer from an emotional disorder.

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The whole idea of "hate crimes" is ridiculous. No one should be punished based on their thoughts. Obviously if you intentionally kill someone, then you certainly don't love them.

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reply to post by Before2017Victor

You're off topic. I am talking about homosexuality. You didn't answer the question. It's about something which isn't a disease, contagious, or a threat to anything/anyone.

I am talking about homosexuality too. You must have missed my earlier reply where I discussed how scientists have proven that homosexuality is caused by a lack of hormones in the mother during gestation. They can already overcome it in animals by simply giving the mother dietary supplements. So that proves homosexuality is caused by little more than a chemical/hormonal imbalance in the mother that affect the development of the fetus, which therefore makes it no different than being born with a clieft lip because your mother didnt get enough amino acids in her diet during pregnancy.

Personally, I dont have any issues with homosexuals in general. When I am with gay friends and aquaintences I treat them just as I do my other friends. I try to respectful and fair to everyone. So please dont try to make me out to be hateful, just for pointing out the scientific truth.

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I am a str8 nudist wath a sexual fetish.(will not get into what)

Gays and BIs are understanding and believe i have a right to my lifestyle..
Some str8s and most religious str8s are not understanding. and think i am mentally ill, should be arrested, committing a sin,ECT, ECT,

These same people think the same about gays and BIs.

The only people out there with a AGENDA is the religious right.

reply to post by hippomchippo

It doesn't matter about the other persons ''deadness'' it matters on intent.
Someone who kills another because of race is alot more likely to do it again than someone who killed for a passion or in the heat of the moment.
I thought that would be obvious.

1. It is well known that crimes of passion bring a lesser sentence and usually get plead down to a lesser crime or they receive a lesser sentence due to the court acknowleding the extenuationg circumstance of the motive to murder.
2. Someone who kills people during robberies, rapes, etc is just as likely to repeat it as someone who kills you just for being gay or being a particular race. Violent crime is violent crime.

Originally posted by ZuluChaka
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

It doesn't matter about the other persons ''deadness'' it matters on intent.
Someone who kills another because of race is alot more likely to do it again than someone who killed for a passion or in the heat of the moment.
I thought that would be obvious.

1. It is well known that crimes of passion bring a lesser sentence and usually get plead down to a lesser crime or they receive a lesser sentence due to the court acknowleding the extenuationg circumstance of the motive to murder.
2. Someone who kills people during robberies, rapes, etc is just as likely to repeat it as someone who kills you just for being gay or being a particular race. Violent crime is violent crime.

1. Yes, and that proves my point, that's why hate crimes get harsher punishments.
2. I disagree, someone who kills for a robbery might be doing so because he isn't getting the money, etc, while someone who kills for hate is killing to actual kill the other person to simply remove them, that indicts that they really do want to remove all people of that particular ethnicity.