who still believes 911 was an inside job?

Originally posted by misskush

Nor have I made any comment about fires in building 7!

Then I hereby invite you to do so now, after whatever period of study you require.

And THEN, I'd like your assessment of those that disagree with what the FDNY said.

Originally posted by rival

WHAT I DO BELIEVE is that fire was initiated as a means to cover the structural melting of the central core columns by the use of thermite--
fires "heavy" enough as to preclude further fire-fighting efforts, and so the
decision was made to "pull" all personel from the building...and then it
was imploded.

You almost sound rational.

Too bad that you've fallen into the thermxte woo trap though.

Fires weren't heavy enough to keep them out. They in fact went in and checked the building for people, like Jennings. They were all over the building. Everywhere. So the fires didn't keep them out.

IOW, your theory, in its quest to avoid calling them liars, is now calling them cowards (they wouldn't go into a burning building) and denying their activities inside there.

You're just as bad as the ones calling/implying that they're liars.

Proof that you're STILL not thinking this through.

I do......you lost your eye from the ball....

Clinton is part of the NWO gang and a Bohemian Grove player.......He is part of the group Bush, Cheney, Rumpsfeld, Kissinger and so on....

There are enough indications that 911 is an inside job and nobody can say for sure it isn't an inside job untill all those indications are investigated up-side down and in-side out.

I have a question.

I have heard people say that if the US Goverment did the attacks, that so many people would have to be involved.

Yet, those same people claim only 19 Arabs from another land pulled off the same attack?

I'm confused.

reply to post by GoodOlDave

Since you are so obsessed with the NYFD, I thought I would bring to light the fact that most of the firemen believe the WTC towers were brought down with explosives. Wha?, you didn't know that?



So now, you can be on their side too!

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by rival

WHAT I DO BELIEVE is that fire was initiated as a means to cover the structural melting of the central core columns by the use of thermite--
fires "heavy" enough as to preclude further fire-fighting efforts, and so the
decision was made to "pull" all personel from the building...and then it
was imploded.

You almost sound rational.

Too bad that you've fallen into the thermxte woo trap though.

Fires weren't heavy enough to keep them out. They in fact went in and checked the building for people, like Jennings. They were all over the building. Everywhere. So the fires didn't keep them out.

IOW, your theory, in its quest to avoid calling them liars, is now calling them cowards (they wouldn't go into a burning building) and denying their activities inside there.

You're just as bad as the ones calling/implying that they're liars.

Proof that you're STILL not thinking this through.

You are hitting bulls-eyes, but your aiming at the wrong target. Refer back
to the Silverstein comment, "...We (Sliverstein and the Chief NYFD) made the
decision to pull." --They weren't cowards, they followed orders.

LOL...Okay the NYFD DID IT!!! There I said it!

Go ahead and quote me

And thx for the rational attribution...everyone I know thinks I'm a little crazy

"I have a question. I have heard people say that if the US Government did the attacks, that so many people would have to be involved. Yet, those same people claim only 19 Arabs from another land pulled off the same attack? I'm confused."

Actually, you bring up an excellent point. This is just one of the several contradictions encountered by those who advocate the official fairy tale supplied by the government and the media. You see, when you try to justify a pack of lies, blatant contradictions such as the one you mentioned are bound to spring up.

You see, these people already have their laundry list of excuses lined up to attempt to discredit any theory which blows a hole in their official nonsense of a story. Obviously, someone failed to do their homework when they came up with the "thousands of people would have to be involved" explanation. Good job of exposing the liars!

reply to post by SphinxMontreal


Sphinx, several people have tried, perhaps THIS time it will sink in....

You obviously know how to click on, highlight and "copy/paste" text.

Last step in order to conform to proper ATS Forum formatting standards is to use the [] (brackets) to help augment the portions you are 'quoting'.

Please.

I underwent a learning curve to understand how to do this. Mostly because there were many OTHER ATS members who offered suggestions....I have succeeded. In spades.

SO...here's how: AFTER you 'click' & copy/paste, put the word quote within the brackets [ [] ]. Those two brackets....those keys just to the right of the 'P' on your keyboard. Those ones. They don't need the SHIFT key either....just hit the keys, and the '[' or ']' will come up. Surround the word quote with those symbols, at the beginning....then, at the end, use the forward slash ( / ) IN FRONT OF the word 'quote', again within the brackets, to finish the 'statement'.

THAT is the gist of what's called "BB" coding, which is what ATS software recognizes.

You may also Google that, to learn more, and (hopefully) better express yourself in future.

Thanks.


As to....the gist of what you posted? I forgot. It was wrong, though. Sorry.

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Oh, the "19 Arabs" concept???

How ridiculous a protest is THAT???

IT HAPPENED!!!! Compare to what is going on TODAY, with other suicide bombing events.

CRITICAL THINKING hats on, please. They seem to be in short supply around here.....




[edit on 10 July 2010 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Compare to what is going on TODAY, with other suicide bombing events.

Islamic Jihad hate our freedoms so much here in the USA, that they learned how to fly aircraft 150 knots over max operating, yet couldn't find their way over the boarder with the million other Mexicans, for so much as a bus bomb, in the last 9 years.

Give it a rest and click this link. Learn the Dog and Pony show you been fed to believe.

www.secure-skies.org...

Quick Stats -


# Airline Flts per day: 28,000

Airborne Right Now: 4988

Flights Protected by 2
Armed Pilots:

reply to post by andre18


The only reason why I disagree with you on your version of 911 is this little fact. Bin Laden has been known to work with the Bush Administration before (actually, this was the Reagan Era, but you wouldn't believe who was head of the CIA at that time...wink wink) Not to mention that the Bush family has done business with the Bin Laden family for quite some time. So, those are a couple of interesting connections.

There is another thing. Did you know what Bin Laden's mujahideen were trained for during the 80's, and who supplied the weapons to them? Yep, they were trained to use "terrorist tactics" by the CIA and consequently, they were funded by the good ole' US if A (Iran Contra Affairs/it was all connected). But, I guess that's a minor detail. So, that's the second reason.

But here's a third: If you haven't noticed...terrorism is quite the business. Business is booming. You can now look in your backyard and...BOO, there's a terrorist. Between Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Yemen, Palestine, Israel, Costa Rica, Great Britain, Russia, China, the oil spill, environmentalists, and homegrown networks, its just been busy busy busy.

So, if you think that Osama Bin Laden did it. You might be right. But, that doesn't mean that the conspiracy theorists are wrong...now does it? How do you ensure that you have a war on terror? Remember, we're talking about the "almighty dollar" here. Just entertain the idea that these guys might be sociopathic enough to kill some of their own citizens to gain unlimited funding for war. Do you think Bin Laden ever stopped working for the government? Why would he? All he has to do is play the bad guy and do what he does best. Wouldn't that explain the known fact that there were all sorts of warnings that went to the White House that just conveniently kept getting ignored while Bush golfed relentlessly.

Light bulb anyone?

I don't know. At this point there are any number of scenarios that could have really happened.

If we were to go with your story, then, we have to submit that we have the dumbest group of people running our country ever. If this wasn't a complete set up, then, Cheney must have been drunk when he commanded NORAD to stand down during a terrorist operation that affected the Twin Towers. Bush Jr, had to have been on heroin and completely void of thought when he didn't get up from the elementary school when he found out we were attacked. Hence, the deer in headlights look and rocking back and fourth like he was itching for his next fix. We'd also have to submit that all of our military technology completely failed that day, which clearly shows that America is far more vulnerable than we could have ever have predicted. Geez, imagine if China had gotten us that day. We wouldn't be here anymore.

Then we would also have to disavow all of those firefighters who worked to save the lives of the people who claim to have heard explosions going up the side of the building before the airplane impact. Then, we would also have to disavow all of the video that the reporters were taking that collaborates what the firefighters and witnesses clearly stated. So, we'll just call them all a bunch of liars.

So yeah...all of that seems feasible to me. We can go with your version of the story and completely ignore common sense altogether.

Despite what you may think of what I typed, you have to admit, this explanation is worthy of further review.

Namaste and Love

Bin Laden isn't even listed as a suspect for 9/11 on the FBI Most Wanted Page.

www.fbi.gov...

Sure, he is listed for other crimes as a suspect, but not for 9/11.

Want to know why?

Because there is "No Hard Evidence Linking Bin Laden To 9/11", according to the FBI.

Google it.

www.google.com...=en&source=hp&q=No+Hard+Evidence+Linking+Bin+Laden+To+9%2F11&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=36ec6be010d257 f

reply to post by TiffanyInLA


AND..."the wheels go 'round and 'round, 'round and 'round...

Oh, the WHEELS ON THE BUS go 'round and 'round, all the live-long day!!!"

Try coming up with something new, please. Been covered, already...repeatedly.

"First Officer Balsamo"??? You aren't fooling anyone....

oh please.

The question is/should be~
To anyone who actually pays close attention..

"Who still believes 911 was not an inside job?"

unless of course you're still comfy in your bed.

[edit on 11-7-2010 by Ahmose]

Originally posted by Ahmose
oh please.

The question is/should be~
To anyone who actually pays close attention..

"Who still believes 911 was not an inside job?"

Easy- anyone who doesn't get all their information from those damned fool 9/11 conspiracy web sites. They're the ones pushing out goofball claims like the Pentagon being hit by a cruise missile and how there were nukes in the basement of the WTC, not CNN or Popular Mechanics.

Is this another poll thread?

What happened to that one made about a year ago? I have too much a migraine to use ATS search right now, but someone could maybe check it out.(IIRC) When I stopped counting it ended up with a count of over 300 believed inside job, while under 20 said they believed the governments story. it maybe have been 200/10, or 400/30 I forget. But I remember it was around 95% polled believed 9/11 was an inside job.

I doubt much has changed since, except for a handful of people, although with new posters coming and going, and people tired of repeating themselves, you might get the results your looking for if you make enough threads.

BTW - I still believe 9/11 was a multi-facited false flag operation, that solved alot of problems for the US government, made a whole lot of people a whole lotta money, while creating alot of convienant new problems which gave the government the ability to change old laws, make new laws, and invade an oil filled country. Pretty sweet huh?

Hell even if it wasn't an inside job (which I'm certain it was), it was the luckiest/greatest thing to happen to the American Government (as well as a handful of bankers and others "in the know" who new to place put options on certain airline stock) in a long time. I'm sure they were pleased with the outcome of 9/11 either way; Which is REALLY messed up when you think about that.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by Nola213]

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[edit on 24-7-2010 by ofhumandescent]

reply to post by andre18

Andre18, Sure terrorists planned to fly into the towers, but the theory is that the Gov' usurped the idea and carried it out themselves, to make sure it was done right and to demolish the towers (like someone said below, the towers were slated for deconstruction - but I'd really like to see the documents on that as well as re-insuring the towers). When I saw the videos of the collapse, my feeling was that it was really strange that it looked just like a controlled demolition - hit by a plane the collapse would be lopsided... then later the conspiracy theories began to pop up, and I am certainly leaning heavily in that direction -way too many strange things and unanswered questions... like flight 93... controlled collapse of Build #7...

its without doubt a inside job.

In this situation you should look at information from various sources on this matter then come up with your own logical answer as to who orchestrated 9/11 (or 11/9 where I come from). Try looking up OPERATION NORTHWOODS it is on wikipedia aswell as declassified by the CIA on the National security archive. Read this and tell me your answer is still the same,
Peace