who still believes 911 was an inside job?

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

You, like all the other truthers, don't have the capacity to think what you're implying. You too, have earned nothing but disgust and contempt from every thinking person in the world...

Ha. Ha. Ha. You make me laugh Joey Canoli.

If questioning the events, mechanics and people (even Firemen, bless them) sorrounding 9/11 earns me the contempt and disgust of every thinking person in the world then I say bring it on.

I have had both my brother and a cousin employed in the firefighting business and the amount of respect I have for them, or anyone with such a dangerous job, is immense. But that certainly does not make them off-limits for negative discussion. No person, or group, or employment field (police, firemen, doctors, etc) should ever be placed above the line of speculation or suspicion. There are rotten eggs everywhere.

Originally posted by misskush

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

You, like all the other truthers, don't have the capacity to think what you're implying. You too, have earned nothing but disgust and contempt from every thinking person in the world...

Ha. Ha. Ha. You make me laugh Joey Canoli.

Laughing at the subject of implying/calling the FDNY liars about whether or not there were small fires or large fires in 7 is nothing more than cognitive dissonance defusing the conflict in the typical pea brained truther.

It SHOULD make you think about the consequences of that.

Are you calling the FDNY liars too?

Do you agree with them that there were large fires in 7 or not?

Do not dodge. Confront your own personal cognitive dissonance.

"who still believes 911 was an inside job?"

More to the point who beleives the official story.

We seem to getting a lot of threads just now more about just what are the people prepaired to except like the one about the towers were rigged incase they needed to be pulled for saftey reasons and flight 93 was shot down to save lives.

The lot needs to be sorted out by an indpendant investigation without having to weed out the likes of kisenger at the beginning.

No stone must be left unturned and lets have it in public

reply to post by Joey Canoli

Are you calling the FDNY liars too?

lets see shell we.



Are you calling the NYFD liars and anyone that is able to think for themselves a pea brain ?

i could go on with another 50 links from the fire department but you know that already don't you.

The government is connected to the wall street bankers. The wall street bankers created the cia. The cia created al qaeda. 'al qaeda' translates to 'the base', therefore al qaeda is the base of the cia. Don't you see that it is simply an excuse for terrorist 'attacks' on america which have all been proven to be inside jobs. The wars are just to make money because the government 'officials' are also the military contractors. You see more war is more money for more power to these people. Read this article and you will begin to see... www.infowars.com...

reply to post by LieBuster


And?

One of the world's tallest buildings was buring and collapsing and some persons thought they heard things like explosions. Don't get how that proves anything other than the fact that breaking things make noises. Unless, of course, you live in that special place where only explosives can make loud sudden noises. Do you live in that special place?

OK, Who still believes Bin Laden was responsible?

And not only was he responsible, somehow he also had control of VP Cheney and SecDef Rumsfeld.
At the same time managing to remove the 8,000 tons of gold from under WTC.
etc etc etc.
And what did we hear from TPTB, the usual I2C BS.

Incompetence..Ignorance...Coincidence.

Good to know your tax dollars are being spent on such professionalism if that is in fact the case.

Originally posted by LieBuster

Are you calling the NYFD liars and anyone that is able to think for themselves a pea brain ?

No, actually, you conspiracy people are. It's you who believe the NYFD blew up WTC 7 and are conspiring to conceal it with that Silverstein, "Pull it" quote, and it's you who believe all the workers cleaning up ground zeros were as stupid as a bag of hammers and couldn't recognize all blatant signs of sabotage all around them that you all can pick up in five seconds.

You people are so madly in love with your conspiracy stories that you really don't care whose reputation you have to drag through the gutter to do it. It's absolutey disgusting.

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by misskush

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

You, like all the other truthers, don't have the capacity to think what you're implying. You too, have earned nothing but disgust and contempt from every thinking person in the world...

Ha. Ha. Ha. You make me laugh Joey Canoli.

Laughing at the subject of implying/calling the FDNY liars about whether or not there were small fires or large fires in 7 is nothing more than cognitive dissonance defusing the conflict in the typical pea brained truther.

It SHOULD make you think about the consequences of that.

Are you calling the FDNY liars too?

Do you agree with them that there were large fires in 7 or not?

Do not dodge. Confront your own personal cognitive dissonance.

Oh my goodness what is wrong with you?! Way to ignore the whole rest of my post. No - not once on this site, nor in this thread have I called firefighters, including the NYFD, liars. Nor have I made any comment about fires in building 7!

Calm down. And learn how to read.



[edit on 2010/7/9 by misskush]

Originally posted by misskush

I have had both my brother and a cousin employed in the firefighting business and the amount of respect I have for them, or anyone with such a dangerous job, is immense. But that certainly does not make them off-limits for negative discussion. No person, or group, or employment field (police, firemen, doctors, etc) should ever be placed above the line of speculation or suspicion. There are rotten eggs everywhere.

There is a world of difference between criticizing a respected group becuase of what a review of the facts show, and criticizing a respected group becuase it advances one's political agenda regardless of what the facts show. It's the same difference between, "that black guy has been caught stealing" and "That guy probably steals becuase he's black". If it becomes expedient for the conspiracy people to likewise drag the reputation of fire fighters through the gutter in order to advance their "gov't is plotting to murder us all" conspiracy claims, they will not hesitate to do so.

They have proven that in spades, pun not intended.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


I agree with you wholeheartedly! Yes - it is never appropriate to be suspicious or accusatory if there is no hard evidence. I merely wanted to defend anyone's right to publicly criticize a group, regardless of who they are, if said evidence presented itself. Nobody should be untouchable.


But no, IMHO, I don't think there is any merit to the firefighter coverup slant. How silly.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


No one has smeared the firefighters, you're just rambling about how supposedly "we" would. It's flattering to see someone around here thinking on the level of "all the people I'm insulting are all exactly the same." What other groups of people think along those sorts of broadly-generalizing thoughts? A few come to mind and none of them respectable in the least.

And what do you say when someone brings up all the firefighters who believe they were bombs in the buildings and that the buildings were demolished? If you still think those firefighters don't exist you must be in denial because as often as you post here surely someone has showed you some of these interviews already, unless you just cover your eyes and ears and refuse to watch and think because it just hurts too much. Do you think those firefighters are lying, or suffering from hallucinations? How is that NOT a smear, when it's based on nothing but your worthless incredulity?

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by rival

Fire was initiated and/or allowed

Allowed?

So now YOU are calling the FDNY liars for saying that they couldn't fight the fires due to lack of water.

Like a typical truther, you're not thinking this through.

Okay, let me rephrase that. You caught me using a bad choice of words,
or least an incomplete description of what was meant.

Fire was initiated. Alllowed is not at all what I meant, it was just a convenient
term that was/is counter to what I intended.

I DO NOT BELIEVE the NYFD allowed a fire to burn to cover the use of
thermite on the central core. THE NYFD IS INNOCENT of any complicity
in the events that brought down WTC 7.


WHAT I DO BELIEVE is that fire was initiated as a means to cover the structural melting of the central core columns by the use of thermite--
fires "heavy" enough as to preclude further fire-fighting efforts, and so the
decision was made to "pull" all personel from the building...and then it
was imploded.

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I hope I am addressing this point that seems very important to you...

"...So now YOU are calling the FDNY liars for saying that they couldn't fight the fires due to lack of water."

I, IN NO WAY, believe that the NYFD is complicit in this crime. They are
and were innocent heroes, and worthy of respect and admiration!!!!!!!!!!

notice the exclamation points....I hope I am being clear now

"who still believes 911 was an inside job?"

Nobody with two brain cells to rub together.

reply to post by weedwhacker

Stepping back a bit from all the hyperbole...this insistence of a so-called "false-flag"...needs to be separated out, from the factual history of the events and timeline of that day.

What factual history are you talking about? The NIST science that was based on bogus evidence or the fraudulent 911 commission report, is this the factual history that you are referring to.

The military response on 9/11 WAS NOT INCOMPETENT!

I cannot believe it! I agree with your statement ( above) completely. The Military could not have done a better job of assisting their own in the remote control navigation of the two planes that crashed into the WTC and the plane that did the fly over at the Pentagon on 911. The complete lack of visible military involvement on 911 is an excellent example of their following orders one hundred %. They maintained an ominous lack of visibility while performing the tasks at hand. Prior to 911 how many times in the last fifty years has our military allowed four hijacked commercial airliners to fly unescorted and into highly restricted airspace over the United States? This shows an incredibly, almost flawless, military.

This is a false, false meme that has been presented, and inserted, by "some" in the so-called "9/11 Truth Movement" to infiltrate the basic lexicon of "talkig points" that 'they' wish to inhabit this topic.

Actually, you have it wrong; these are the methods you guys use to suppress the truth.

I understand your strategy of keeping me busy arguing the same old crap over and over. At first I thought about letting it all go and not responding, but after a bit more thinking I realized how beneficial it was for me to continue as more and more readers were exposed to the lies in the OS and the truth. Thank you for your continuing efforts in supporting the truth movement.

And, any "accountabilty" I have referenced, before....it WAS a sort of incomptence, and the age-old game of (after the fact) 'CYA'....I do hope everyone knows that acronym? In case you don't, it's "Cover Your A$$".

WAS a sort of incomptence,

The military response on 9/11 WAS NOT INCOMPETENT!

Do you even know what you are talking about? Was sort of incompetent, or WAS NOT INCOMPENTENT?

Now, you are contradicting yourself (it WAS a sort of incompetence,) where do you get incompetence from, when we have never been told anything, or the truth.

I highly, highly recommend a book titled "Touching History" that has an in-depth chronicle of that day (9/11) in the USA, from the perspective of a pilot. The author conducted a great many interviews, and the personal accounts and realizations are compelling, and cut through a lot of the BS that has grown up surrounding this topic, over the many years. The author also delves deeply into the military response, and those details (and failures) and explains them quite well.

No thanks; I cancelled my subscription to the Truth Whackers book of the month club.

[edit on 10-7-2010 by impressme]

reply to post by impressme

Indeed, the NIST report has been shown to be severely flawed by multiple, credible parties as shown in this compilation.

www.civil.northwestern.edu...

Published by the International Center For 911 Studies.

www.ic911studies.org...

Originally posted by AquariusDescending
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

No one has smeared the firefighters, you're just rambling about how supposedly "we" would. It's flattering to see someone around here thinking on the level of "all the people I'm insulting are all exactly the same." What other groups of people think along those sorts of broadly-generalizing thoughts? A few come to mind and none of them respectable in the least.

Then you are either not paying attention to your own conspiracy claims, or you are lyign to get yourself out of the corner you painted yourself into. Take a close, hard look at the Silverstein quote that your side insists is "proof" of controlled demolitions-

"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

He's not saying HE made the decision to "pull it". He's saying THEY (as in the NYFD) made the decision to "pull it". You..yes, you, not me, but YOU...are necessarily claimign the NYFD "pulled" WTC 7, and since they're not admitting it, you're also saying they're involved in the coverup of controlled demolitions. It's one thing for you people to grasp at any straw available to keep ypour conspiracy stories afloat, but it's another thing entirely for you to conduct shotgun character assassiations liek this to fulfil your agenda. IT's absulutely disgusting and there's no way to embellish it.

so u want me to actually get the sources for each point made?

its apparent to me that people only dis wiki's cred when its not supporting their side

Ironically the stats posted on wiki show that most people do not believe the OS worldwide. When I mention that the "debunkers" bring up the credibility of wikipedia.

The Laws of Physics aren't about BELIEVING!

Why aren't the people who claim to know physics demanding to know the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level of the towers.

How can the physics be analyzed without that data?

9/11 shows that the physics departments of all of our engineering schools are full of fools and liars.

psik

Originally posted by LieBuster

Are you calling the NYFD liars

No. Truthers are the liars through the tactic of quote mining and inflation of their statements to mean something that no truther has the guts to go verify for themselves by walking into an FDNY house right now and asking these guys what they think TODAY.

They saw what they saw. They heard what they heard.

Lights, flashes, booms, etc.

This is still not very good evidence of any kind of explosives that are capable of destroying steel.

Every rational person, once they educate themselves about how steel can be destroyed through use of explosives and what kind of noises these explosives have, simply cannot equate what the FF's heard to equal these types of explosives.