World tired of us: Israeli minister

reply to post by Titan Uranus


I don't revel in the thought of millions dying in the future.
I do believe that we are living in the end times.We have been
since Jesus/Yeshua ascended up to heaven.But, more so now
since Israel was re-established as a nation.
The clock is ticking and we are running out of time.Israel is
the key that unlocks all of our destinies.Jesus/Yeshua will
return to save Israel from her enemies.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Yeah it is your bad if you are throwing mud for the express purpose of avoiding answering the issues at hand, you are being deeply dishonest.

So it's being redefined as "dishonesty" when I call 'em like I see 'em now? The emperor really ISN'T naked? You can put that re-definition in your new dictionary right next to "anti-zionist".

I cannot prove i'm not a racist, just as you cannot disprove that you are a rapist if i called you such a thing. These are deeply dishonest tactics.

Yeah. See, the thing is, I don't go around promoting rape. Seems to me you have a lot less ground to stand on there than I do.

There is no way i can prove i don't hate Jewish people, the simple fact is i don't but you can keep accusing me and there is nothing i can do to prove otherwise. All i can do is call you on your despicable tactics.

Now where did I accuse YOU of hating Jewish people? I made a statement about the origins of "anti-zionist" thought, and uncovered the redefinition it engendered. What you did with that was entirely up to you.

And you DID,now didn't you?

Still maybe you should actually read my posts because a little further up (maybe previous page) i called the palestinians who launch attacks against Israel scumbags. Go and check it out, it's up there somewhere, i called the Palistinians scumbags.

Yeah, I read that. I look to the preponderance of your 'defense' to see where your true sentiments lie. I can SAY "all government officials are reptilians!" Doesn't mean I actually believe that nonsense. You'd have to look at context, and see what I rail against the most to find out whether I really believe that or not.

So basically that disproves your little attack here, i am coming down on them pretty harsh as well.

Doesn't disprove anything at all.

I also stated that if either side just stopped attacking then the international community would come down hard on the person who continued their assaults.

Why would that work now, when it never has in the past? That's a pipe dream. Whenever Israel drops her defensive posture, the Palestinian rockets go for the soft underbelly, and the world cheers them on.

So yes i'm for peace.

No, you've picked a side, and are "anti-zionist". Otherwise, you wouldn't be squealing about my identification of it's roots so loudly.

Shakespeare said: Methinks thou doth protest too much.

The Jews and Christians say: the wicked flee when no man pursueth.

[edit on 2010/7/3 by nenothtu]

reply to post by SevenThunders


Thank you for your reply, definitely something that makes me go "hmmm...".

I can accept your point to interpret literally unless otherwise directed (quite similar to Occam's famous principle). That makes the arguments on that link I posted seem like they are trying to wiggle out of uncomfortable truth. But the words distinguishing the two Israels are written; I don't think it can be disregarded as just semantics.

Originally posted by LittleSecret
reply to post by nenothtu

 

If you were FOR "peace" rather than AGAINST "zionism", you'd be coming down as hard on the Palestinians as you are the "zionists".

OMG - Usher.


I see the Palestinians as victims, time to start the debate.

Question #1:
Why should I be hard on the Palestinians>?

I give up. Why?

It's not like they're engaging in war against Israel every bit as hard as Israel is engaging in war against them, now is it? They're fine folks, who only want the rest of us to support their erasure of Israel.

What's so bad about that?

Look I'm so sick of everyone bagging Israel that they always play the victim. Do you hear about all the attacks that that come from Palenstein no why Israel trys to let it all go but they keep going. So when Israel finally says we have had enough give them all we got Who whinges about it all. Do you hear about the arabs that are in Israel that kill a Jew if they can for absolutely nothing. No you haven't really thought any of it you all just keep saying they play the victim.

Also it is written that Muslims will be wiped from this earth.

Jew is a religion Islam is bought to them by a prophet Catholic is a false religion.

The only thing i know the Jews have whined about was when hitler got them all evn though there were more Christians killed than Jews.

Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to post by Mdv2

 

I thought the Jewish rebels destroyed their own temple. The Romans offered not to kill them if they surrendered so the temple could be saved, but they behaved like mad dogs and destroyed their own temple.

No-ones sure who is to blame for the temple burned down.
Some blame the Roman troops for being vengeful against it (as they suffered heavy casualties taking the temple) and threw burning torches at it as they looted the place.
Ironically the temple burning down meant that the Christian sect of Judeism scattered to the four winds instead of being focused in Judea...

reply to post by nenothtu


Nope i'm done with you. You just keep accusing people of stuff in the hope it will cause people to ignore their points and write them off as a simple racist.

As for protesting to much, well when someone is innocent of what they are being accused of they tend to protest. If we are to accept your logic in this area then all innocent people who are falsly accused of crimes and fight to stay out of prison should automatically be put in prison because they must be guilty for declaring their innocence.


I won't respond again so feel free to lie and accuse some more.

reply to post by Thepreye


Jesus was here to spread the word of the new testament but the Jews didn't believe who he was and all wanted him killed even though they new of what was spoken in the old testament of his arrival.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Nope i'm done with you. You just keep accusing people of stuff in the hope it will cause people to ignore their points and write them off as a simple racist.

As for protesting to much, well when someone is innocent of what they are being accused of they tend to protest. If we are to accept your logic in this area then all innocent people who are falsly accused of crimes and fight to stay out of prison should automatically be put in prison because they must be guilty for declaring their innocence.


I won't respond again so feel free to lie and accuse some more.

Great answer!

Or was it a non-answer?

Bring evidence of a "lie" - if you can, that is.

Have a nice day, and thanks for playing!

reply to post by nenothtu

It's not like they're engaging in war against Israel every bit as hard as Israel is engaging in war against them, now is it? They're fine folks, who only want the rest of us to support their erasure of Israel.

Wait, wait a minute, you don't think it is because they are treated like sh1t?

Like you treat me like sh1t because you have the power to do so and expect me not to resist?

Ooooooweee, that is a world I would love to live in, me come first, you come last.

Like let's see, who is continuing the occupation and continuing the settlement expansion?

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Born in 1936 in Basra in southern Iraq, Binyamin “Fuad” Ben-Eliezer is the senior leader of the Labor Party’s hawkish wing, a tough-as-nails ex-general and currently the party’s grand old man

This man is clearly delusional
Although he does say some true things, or least it's true that the world is tired of this conflict, to make Israel seem like a BLOCKADED puppy dog is just expecting the people to be the dumbest people on the face of this planet.

They say that THEY are blockaded?
I am tired of this conflict, I do admit
I mean enough already..........

I mean israel has been playing the victim card for quite some time now, but to say they are the one's blockaded is really outdoing themselves.

They beat their own record!!!!!!!!!!!

www.presstv.ir
(visit the link for the full news article)

Not saying who is right or wrong but they are completely surrounded by arab nations who engage in attacks of every scale on the tiny nation of isreal. They are also hated by an awful lot of the worlds population. I don't think many people realize how vulnerable Isreal is. Just because they have western weapons and the support of the US govt that they cant be taken out. Fact is Isreal can be completely destroyed tomorrow and are possibly in more of a precarious position then palestine. I know I am going to get ripped apart on this forum but what is it going to take guys, iran nuking them? Remember 2000 - 2002 every week isreali buses were being blown up by suicide bombers TARGETING women and children on their way to work and school.

reply to post by mamabeth


So be it, but please consider a few things. The Rothchilds were major players in the establishment of Israel. This is a conspiracy site so I will assume you are aware of the role the Rothschilds play in the NWO. Next I will remind you that there is a good chance that your 'messiah' will be false and it would be prudent to keep this in the back of your mind before being swept away with such emotion a day like that will bring.

I fear you will be unable, for it is what you want to beleive, and so you will.

I once had negative views on Islam and then I met some Islamic people. I am not that old and I am still strying to un-brainwash myself.

Take care.

Originally posted by nenothtu
It's not like they're engaging in war against Israel every bit as hard as Israel is engaging in war against them, now is it? They're fine folks, who only want the rest of us to support their erasure of Israel.

What's so bad about that?

They are? You wouldn't know it from the body bag count on both sides. Hell, Israel does all they can to prevent Palestine from engaging in war at all. See the many threads here on both of these matters.

reply to post by Titan Uranus


The sheep will know who the real Shepherd is.
They(sheep) will only listen to His voice,no other.

reply to post by mamabeth


I wasn't refering to the future I was refering to the current state of things.

Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to post by tooo many pills

 

I would have given them North Dakota. Minus the Indian land of course.

I live in North Dakota and that just rubs me the wrong way.

Honestly, that's a despicable comment.

Just so you know, North Dakota is a huge producer of the food you guys in the rest of the country eat. You may think it's one big prairie land up here, but it's important. Oil, wind, coal and food.

[edit on 3-7-2010 by Judohawk]

Originally posted by LittleSecret

Wait, wait a minute, you don't think it is because they are treated like sh1t?

No, I don't, and neither will I attempt to circumvent the censors to try to make an emotion-laden point. Got anything beyond an emotional agenda? Maybe some logic somewhere? Check your pockets, you might have some left over from somewhere.

Like you treat me like sh1t because you have the power to do so and expect me not to resist?

Yeah, you try to erase me, I'm probably not going to set a table fr you.

Ooooooweee,

What language is that?

that is a world I would love to live in, me come first, you come last.

Can you translate that thought into English?

Like let's see, who is continuing the occupation and continuing the settlement expansion?

Like, (love that word. Makes me think I'm debating, like, a teenager or something!) the guys who have to build a buffer zone to try to protect their people from incoming rocketry, that's who.

reply to post by mamabeth


You said it. The sheep will know. I sure hope your shephard doesn't turn out to be a butcher.

I apologise. Enjoy heaven, my reservations in hell were made years ago.

But seriously. No malice. I wish you and yours all the best and hope all goes as you wish.

[edit on 3-7-2010 by Titan Uranus]

reply to post by Titan Uranus


You do realize that you can have those reservations
in hell cancelled at any time prior to dying?

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by PunisherSupreme

 

I don't think it is right to take the actions of a few people and extrapolate it out to all Jews. That's as bad as those in this thread who have labelled anyone against Israel to be anti-semetic.

You must be joking right?

You have heard of them milking the so called 'holocaust' haven't you (see my video)?

You heard of them milking the ill-used 'anti-semitism' haven't you?

In the main, the Jews and Zionists have indeed hid behind such drama and have indeed caused corruption and malice through the entire world.

There is NO question of that anymore.