Six Months to Go Until The Largest Tax Hikes in History

reply to post by CanadianDream420


But thats Socialism! You Socialist Canadians with your clean streets and your happy people! In America we demand the best but have no intention of paying for it and when it all fails we get to blame our politicans, because hey, we were only mildy coherent when we voted for them.

Originally posted by mooseinhisglory
*sigh* more destruction of the middle and lower classes. unemployment runs out, taxes go up (most of which will go towards paying interest on our out-of-control national debt).

my plan these days is to hope for the best, keep my head up, and try to be a positive influence. there is no way we can turn back these types of policies. we are quite literally OWNED by various corporations and foreign countries. if everything goes to crap, ill wait for the violent revolutionaries to start breakin stuff while i head for the hills to grow my own food.

i dont see any other solutions at this point unless a lot of people start caring and searching for peaceful resolutions in the near
future.

Moose they will never pay the debt the money will go straight to their pockets as it always has. Have you after all these years of taxes being raised on Americans seen any reduction of debt? Never and they never intend on decreasing this debt but pocketing it our very taxes collected we believe whatever they tell us. We have all been had up the back end, if you know what I mean.

Just like the voting LIE we beg and hope for better years to come only to be continued to be lied to especially w/voting fraud out in the open. The only thing left is Hope and Prayer! Robin Hood!!!!

Originally posted by mooseinhisglory
*sigh* more destruction of the middle and lower classes. unemployment runs out, taxes go up (most of which will go towards paying interest on our out-of-control national debt).

my plan these days is to hope for the best, keep my head up, and try to be a positive influence. there is no way we can turn back these types of policies. we are quite literally OWNED by various corporations and foreign countries. if everything goes to crap, ill wait for the violent revolutionaries to start breakin stuff while i head for the hills to grow my own food.

i dont see any other solutions at this point unless a lot of people start caring and searching for peaceful resolutions in the near
future.

Moose they will never pay the debt the money will go straight to their pockets as it always has. Have you after all these years of taxes being raised on Americans seen any reduction of debt? Never and they never intend on decreasing this debt but pocketing it our very taxes collected we believe whatever they tell us. We have all been had up the back end, if you know what I mean.

Just like the voting LIE we beg and hope for better years to come only to be continued to be lied to especially w/voting fraud out in the open. The only thing left is Hope and Prayer! Robin Hood!!!!

Originally posted by AllexxisF1
No, really, keep giving the super rich more tax breaks because they make so many new jobs when you do that. Trickle down does work, really, St. Ronnie told me so.

It absolutely amazes me how sheep, yes sheep come to fight against their own interests for the sake of the super rich.

These Bush tax breaks gave the VAST majority of us about $300 in savings but gave the super rich $100,000 of thousands in savings.

What did they do with it? what rich people always do with it, hoard it.

Tax the hell out of the super rich and use the money to pay down the debt, which increased the value of the dollar in your back pocket.

How do you all not get that?

How did you miss the last 12 years that proved that trickle down does ABSOLUTELY NOT WORK.

that would be called socialism. it doesn't work either. if you tax the rich like crazy, you accomplish two things. you cut jobs, and you take money out of the market.

i'm having a hell of a time trying to find a welding job, why? because no one is building anything. why aren't they building things? because the economy is tight. lets not make it tighter by taxing everyone.

Originally posted by Hypntick
reply to post by AllexxisF1

 

Trickle down works very well actually. Unfortunately it works in the opposite fashion. Giving the super rich more money to create more jobs doesn't work. However taking more money from them in taxes causes them to search elsewhere for that lost income. Costs of goods and services now go up to ensure they don't lose a dime. Tax the rich more, it will trickle down to the middle and lower classes.

i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. it sounds like you're saying "increasing the taxes on the rich causes them to raise prices so that they can make up their lost revenue, which in turn makes the middle and lower classes lose more money, because on top of a tax increase, they also have to pay more for the same goods" everyone loses in such a situation.

I'm personally hoping the tax hikes do go into effect. I want to see the Democratic idealism and delusional fantasies collapse even further into the farce that is the Obama Washington. It's definitely going to hurt a lot of people, but a lot of people need to see and feel the collapse before they'll join the movement to get these jokers, both Dem and Rep alike, out of power permanently.

As an EX-Republican, I will summarize the complaining that is going on here.

The WEALTHY fear that the Democrats will now cause them to pay their FAIR SHARE in taxes as opposed to getting off while the "little guy" gets RAPED. George Bush let them enjoy all kinds a SELFISH UNCALLED FOR "PERKS".

The unfairness will come to an END for them, and they are AFRAID as they are 100% SELF-CENTERED GREEDY to the CORE, UNCOMPASSIONATE individuals to say it the nicest possible way.

They will come on here and use SCARE TACTICS supported by UNFOUNDED pure FICTIONAL NONSENSE to support their claims. They VERY RARELY ever have any actual true substance in their claims.

And when there is a SLIGHT truth, it is said WITHOUT the WHOLE story or details, and is CUSTOM TAILORED to fit their BIASED opinion or claims.

THERE IS ALWAYS MORE to the story or info that they discuss in which they PURPOSELY OMIT!!!!!

I was a REPUBLICAN, for a LONG time. I will give you the real scoop on it all.

Get ready for the nonsense claims to result in the future. Just research what is claimed from them, and you will see they LACK ANY CREDIBLE SUBSTANCE IN THEIR COUNTER-ATTACKS.

Watch and SEE!!!!!!

They are ANGRY that they will have to PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE INSTEAD OF THE LITTLE GUY BEING UNFAIRLY BURDENED TO DEATH.



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you should try living here in the uk. we're taxed to death - literally.

inheritance tax - water tax - council tax - income tax - road tax - national insurance tax - value added tax - interest on savings tax - capital gains tax, its never ending.
every which way we turn we're taxed for it. it sucks but what can we do?
we gotta pay it - end of.

dooby

Originally posted by doobydoll
you should try living here in the uk. we're taxed to death - literally.

inheritance tax - water tax - council tax - income tax - road tax - national insurance tax - value added tax - interest on savings tax - capital gains tax, its never ending.
every which way we turn we're taxed for it. it sucks but what can we do?
we gotta pay it - end of.

dooby

Interesting.

What does your country have to show for all that taxation?

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
I'm personally hoping the tax hikes do go into effect. I want to see the Democratic idealism and delusional fantasies collapse even further into the farce that is the Obama Washington. It's definitely going to hurt a lot of people, but a lot of people need to see and feel the collapse before they'll join the movement to get these jokers, both Dem and Rep alike, out of power permanently.

Yeah, if there is any upside, I hope this is it.

Originally posted by wutone

Originally posted by doobydoll
you should try living here in the uk. we're taxed to death - literally.

inheritance tax - water tax - council tax - income tax - road tax - national insurance tax - value added tax - interest on savings tax - capital gains tax, its never ending.
every which way we turn we're taxed for it. it sucks but what can we do?
we gotta pay it - end of.

dooby

Interesting.

What does your country have to show for all that taxation?

nothing that i can see thats for sure, seriously.
except bigger tax bills.

dooby

Oh no, big business will finally start to pay their fair share. But here's what I don't get. My one day old child is born into debt. I'm not sure what the current amount of national debt is for each American so let me just say it's 15K for arguments sake. I know that's wrong but just for the sake of argument okay?

Guess what Bill Gate's share is? His is also 15K. Guess what Warren Buffetts share is? His is also 15K. By the time my one day old child is Bill Gate's age it will be 100K.

I just think there is something fundamentally wrong with that. That's how they keep 99% of us in check. You're born into debt. You come out of the birth canal in the red. 15K to Bill Gates is like 1.5 cents. And I'm not harping on Bill Gates. I actually think he made his money the old fashion way. He earned it! No government subsidies or state tax to help start his company. Unlike George Bush did in Texas with the Rangers. What I am saying is Gates, Bush, Cheney, Obama, Reid, Steele all needs to pay their fair share. Just like the rest of us do.

reply to post by AllexxisF1

Below is a copy of the letter I sent to the IRS and gave to the place where I trade my labor for life sustaining things. The IRS is a third party interloper and has NO JURISDICTION that YOU do not give them. YOU owe nothing, you ARE NOT a federal or state employee, so why are you paying federal and state employee "income" taxes? The use of the Zip Code my friends.

NOTICE

To the IRS,

I ask for answers to the following to be made under penalty of Perjury:

1) the law requiring Americans to pay income tax

2) their regulatory authority and delegated authority to address me

3) the law which made the IRS part of the Constitution

4) the agent’s oath of office, and

5) produce the contract with both signatures on it

Until I receive answers to these question above, I demand that you immediately cease and desist the proceedings under the color-of-law against the Sovereign in the party, John-Henry: Doe.

The accounting department at "Manufacturer" CO. has sent you a letter of compliance WITHOUT My consent. The accounting department at "Manufacturer" CO. does not represent Me, if they think they do, they are FIRED!

I, John-Henry: Doe, with the power of attorney in fact, am submitting an “Affidavit of Tax-Exempt Foreign Status”, which I have submitted before. This clearly shows how the IRS does not have and NEVER has had, subject matter jurisdiction. I am also submitting my correct location, Zip Code Exempt.

I, John-Henry: Doe, with power of attorney in fact, am also submitting a W-4 for clarity, that I am exempt and that "Manufacturer" CO. does not have the right nor My consent by assent, to remove ANY funds from my compensation whatsoever, up to and including Social Security and Medi-care. I have declared that the illegally forced upon Me, Social Security number, to be Null and Void, Nunc Pro Tunc.

The accounting department at "Manufacturer" CO. will be instructed by Me to cease and desist the unlawful withholding of ANY and ALL funds immediately or I will file a criminal complaint for theft of My property.

This notice is to ALL IRS Heirs, Agents and Assigns, your response MUST be made under penalties of Perjury or they will be disregarded.

Notice to Agents is Notice to Principal and Notice to Principal is Notice to Agents.

This document was prepared by John Henry: Doe, Agent.

JOHN DOE, Grantor
Secured Party Signature _________________________
John-Henry: Doe
Power of Attorney in Fact

Enc. Power of Attorney in Fact; Affidavit of Tax-Exempt Foreign Status;
Zip Code Exemption

Cc: Governor of the _________ State - Joe Bloe

See below another letter...

To Whom It May Concern:
Please kindly correct your records to show that I am located at:

c/o non-Domestic, Foreign mail near;
1234 56th Avenue N.
Marbles, Georgia republic
Zip code exempt (DMM 122.32), As Amended
Without the U.S.

Since the use of Zip codes is voluntary (see Domestic Mail Service Regulations, Sections 122.32), the U.S. Postal Service cannot discriminate against the non-use of ZIP codes, pursuant to the Postal Reorganization Act, Section 403 (Public Law 91-375).

The federal government attempts to assert jurisdiction by sending letters with ZIP codes, when jurisdiction would otherwise be lacking. The receipt and "acceptance" of mail with ZIP codes is one of the requirements for the Internal Revenue Service, in particular, to have jurisdiction to send notices. In fact, the IRS has adopted ZIP code areas as "Internal Revenue Districts". See the Federal Register, Volume 51, Number 53, for Wednesday March 19, 1986.

The federal government cannot bill a Georgia State Citizen because such a Citizen is not within the purview of the District of Columbia, its territories, possessions or enclaves. As a group, these areas are now uniquely and collectively identified as "the federal zone”, as explained in the book entitled, The Federal Zone: Cracking the Code of Internal Revenue, San Rafael, Account for Better Citizenship, 1992. Your immediate cooperation in this matter will be most appreciated.

Signed with explicit reservation of all of My Rights and without prejudice to any of My rights. UCC 1-207, 1-308

________________________________
John-Henry: Doe , Agent

John-Henry: Doe, state Sovereign
Nonresident Alien with respect to The Federal Zone D.C., (its
territories, possessions and enclaves)

2/15/10 John-Henry

Please all, do some research and lets join together in this fight against tyranny.

I am glad someone posted this. I am not able to make posts yet or I would have shared this myself. It is important that Americans are aware of this so we can vote these people out of office. And I don't just mean Obama. I mean everyone. Every single person in the House and Senate need to be voted out so we can start fresh.

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
You Americans SHOULD be paying higher taxes....

I know... I know the MORE money you give your gov't the more they will spend but taxes, I feel, NEED to be increased... Especially since your new healthcare bill was passed.

We pay out the ying-yang in taxes in Canada, but I don't mind because our debt isn't out of control, we got the worlds best schools basically and don't need to worry when I break a bone.

Paying higher taxes isn't the problem...hell, I'd take functional socialism over dysfunctional capitalism any day.

The problem is we get taxed for unbelievably retarded things - literally things that retard the growth of the country - and then it's promptly blown on hookers, coc aine, bribes, gifts, and studies so obvious, they don't need to be conducted in the first place.

Politicians then, turn around and tell us we're bankrupt, justifying more taxes.

Well, what did you do with the taxes from LAST year? The year before? Where is the money going?

We're not getting what we're PAYING for. THAT is the problem.

We are paying A LOT of money to our government (FEMA being one form) to ensure that they can properly handle emergencies. This bureaucracy received a an awful lot of funding to turn around and auger the agency into the ground.

So, the issue is not that we should be paying more taxes, kind sir and or ma'am; it's that we should be getting what we're ALREADY being taxed for.

Sorry, got a little long-winded there.

The Cry Heard Around The World. When workers look at their pay checks

and see how much more is taken out of each pay check with much less

take home pay left over starting in 2011 the swhtf. This is obamanomics

where the government takes more of what you have like it or not.


2011 taxation will have devastating consequences on the U.S. economy and any

5th grader knows this to be true. Less money for food, house payments, rent, car

payments, electric, water bills, movies, entertainment, vacations and the

list goes on and on and on. It is coming folks many have been asleep

and have let the Fox lose and he will be affecting your pocketbooks

big time.

^Y^



[edit on 2-7-2010 by amari]

Originally posted by AllexxisF1
Oh you mean those tax cuts that benefited the super rich?

Those tax cuts that exploded the deficit?

That tax cut which we had to borrow from China to pay which devalued our currency even more.

You must mean those tax cuts that were going to create millions of new jobs when rich people got to keep more of their money right?

Oh wait...the rich got to keep their money, exploded our deficit and started ZERO new jobs in the process.

Chalk one up for the Conservative failed ideology.



[edit on 2-7-2010 by AllexxisF1]

[edit on 2-7-2010 by AllexxisF1]

And how is that liberal ideology doing for everyone?

It is floundering the entire globe and is even worse than whatever you were condemning...

Maybe you can show everyone how your ideology has cured all the worlds problems?

Seems like things are much worse right now and getting even more worse everyday since the decline of mainstream conservatism.

You bash one thing but have no solution and what that proves pretty much is the things you believe in aren't working either...
And just an FYI, but conservatives are not running the show now and things are really going down the toilet faster than before...
Looks like the liberal ideology is crashing doesn't it? But then again it never really was in any state of goodness to crash from

Originally posted by Come Clean
Oh no, big business will finally start to pay their fair share.

Your forgetting just one little thing. Big business won't be paying those taxes, we will in higher prices.

reply to post by dbloch7986


Sounds more like:
You want better Medical, Health Care but you don't want to pay for it
You want a cleaner Environment but you don't want to pay for it.
And the US still owes more than 1 Trillion Dollars to China that it
borrowed, and apparently you don't want to pay for that either.

Originally posted by AllexxisF1
Oh you mean those tax cuts that benefited the super rich?

Those tax cuts that exploded the deficit?

That tax cut which we had to borrow from China to pay which devalued our currency even more.

You must mean those tax cuts that were going to create millions of new jobs when rich people got to keep more of their money right?

Oh wait...the rich got to keep their money, exploded our deficit and started ZERO new jobs in the process.

Chalk one up for the Conservative failed ideology.



[edit on 2-7-2010 by AllexxisF1]

[edit on 2-7-2010 by AllexxisF1]

Okey, I get the point, you hate the rich. Now if you could just show me how many jobs someone on (lets go the other end of the scale.) welfair created? Or how many people a poor person employed?