Disillusioned idiots

reply to post by Muckster


Wow. One of the sanest replies I have seen to religious 'baiting'

Well done that man and take 1,000,000,000,000 stars.

[edit on 28/6/2010 by PuterMan]

Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
reply to post by catwhoknows

 

What I find the most amusing about your post is that most wars and conflicts (resulting in violent death) are a result of your religion (and/or god - the Muslim, Christian and Jewish Gods are all one and the same).

edit for spelling

[edit on 28/6/2010 by deltaalphanovember]

PPppppffffttttt....really? That theory is really tired and worn out. IMO Most wars are waged because of greed. Have there been wars waged by greedy, power hungry religious people? Sure.

What about paedo dogs raping priests ?

Well anyways, technicaly according to some idiots, Jesus will save the world, and if you dont believe in jesus it mean you're a son of the devil

some peeps are still living in wonderland ,apparently

Must admit Catsomething gave me a good laugh.

Originally posted by catwhoknows
reply to post by deltaalphanovember

 

What I find so funny about your post is that I only believe in love.

So, what do you believe in?

Ugh, Satan.

What do you mean with 'Ugh Satan'? Surely you believe in Satan also?

Originally posted by Muckster

Dog Attacks, Paedophiles, Terrorists, Killer foxes, Illegal Immigrants etc...

All these stories over reported and sensationalised to make us think that we are living in an extremely dangerous world and the only way to survive is for the glorious powers that be to provide us with more protection... more Laws, More Cameras, ID Cards, Internet monitoring, phone tapping... Less freedom!!

It’s ALL Rubbish!!!

But people buy into it... and not only that, when they do experience an event that has been reported in the paper, they do not see it for what it is... for we have lost the ability to put things into context. Instead, we scream from the rooftops about the injustice and how we are "As Mad as hell"

Like idiotic brainwashed drones we then go screaming to the politicians for "Change" and "demand action to stop this" Feeling smug with ourselves that we have “shown them we won’t stand for it”

And how the politicians must be laughing, as we then demand the very things that they could never have suggested in the first place!!

Suckers all of us...

[edit on 28-6-2010 by Muckster]

Of course all these dangers ARE real and we need to be wary of them and the government and media does use them against us. We should not let government take away our freedoms to make us safer.

However, I don't see whats wrong with asking out elected officials to change the things they do have control over that we need solved. That's why we elected them.. to represent US. If they do not represent the people, they need to be ousted never to work in this town again.

You are talking about false flags. Not all of us fall for them. Problem is America is so big you will always have a certain number of the people believe and agree with the politicians.

We need a New Way. A new system to elect the people who will represent US or laws to make sure they do so instead of their own or a corporate agenda. We need laws that govern our Media - not censorship like big brother but rules that say you must make you always present both or all sides to every story.

I remember Phil Johnson on WWL Channel 4 News in New Orleans. Every day he would give an editorial on news events of the day and invite people who did not agree to come on the air and voice their opinions. Regular folks like you and me.. on the air for the whole world to see on a major news station. We could use some of that today.

The internet doesn't work for the masses like TV does. it's been discredited and for good reason.. there is a lot of Crap on the net mixed in with the truth.

I often tell my 82 year old mother about news I learn on the net and she can't ever understand why the news she watches never tells her this stuff. I remember listening to shortwave radio in the 80's and hearing live reports of wars overseas. 30 minutes later on the new CNN channel you would get a watered down or heavily slanted report that was not exactly the truth. We need a new way to stop this machine before it kills us all.

Originally posted by Muckster
This was originally going to be a reply to someone’s thread... however, after reading back over it, i thought it was worthy of a thread of its own due to the far reaching implications of my belief... Hope you don’t mind

The Mass Media like to get the teeth into a subject and shake it to death... they want every last morsel of juice before they let it go... Why? It makes money and fits an agenda... Either a Government agenda or a corporate one (i guess depending on who happens to be linning the pockets that week)

Dog Attacks, Paedophiles, Terrorists, Killer foxes, Illegal Immigrants etc...

All these stories over reported and sensationalised to make us think that we are living in an extremely dangerous world and the only way to survive is for the glorious powers that be to provide us with more protection... more Laws, More Cameras, ID Cards, Internet monitoring, phone tapping... Less freedom!!

It’s ALL Rubbish!!!

If there is one thing in life I've learned it's that some people enjoy living in fear. Oh, they will claim I'm just labeling it wrong, but fear is what it is. Fear of the Muslims, Fear of the Illegals, Fear of the Liberals, Fear of the Neo-Cons, Fear, Fear, Fear. I have long since given up talking to people who live like that. It doesn't matter what you say to them, that fear will just keep driving them. They enjoy feeling like that. i think it is an addiction of sorts. If it wasn't one thing it would be another.

I'm not sure how I feel about the whole TPTB idea as I don't think 90% of ATS really believes that. If they did you wouldn't see them crying about particular political parties or politicians. They would realize there was an overarching agenda and there is no point in crying about minor front men. As for Illegals, well, why are we crying? Really, lets all think about this one (oh yes, I'm sure someone will call me a sympathizer). We live in a Capitalist country right? Why would there be an influx of illegals? Demand correct? Demand for cheaper goods from the people, demand for cheaper labor from the corporations, demand for a new tax base from the government (and yes, many do get taxed). Then you had the declining birth rate among citizens that guaranteed the bankruptcy of Social Security by 2010 for years. It wasn't until the influx that date was postponed. At the end of the day this is all a result of that system. yet many of the people crying seem hardpressed to ever let that go. And why all the blame? Why do we act like they are the only criminals running around? Why do we blame every single issue in the country on those people? We had a lot of issues before they showed up. I used to be one of those "hardcore kick everyone out" ardents. As I grew up I understood that a lot of my problem was that I was simply afraid of people who were not like myself.

Now the Terrorists, I could go on all day about that. The chances of dying in a terrorist attack are really freaking low. You've got a better shot of being hit by lightening. Most of the people I know who harp on about it will whine about the "Muslims" or the "Arabs". Leads me to believe they are scared of people unlike themselves.

And that's what it boils down to at the end of the day: It's not anything rational at all, just fear. If rational thought entered into the equation things would be different. Instead people are lead by base impulse for the most part. The politicians know it and they will take advantage of that. The MSM knows this and it's what pays their check everyday. They will keep putting that fear out there. Look at CNN, look at their fear-mongering BS about various subjects. See how it's skewed for a particular subset of people? Look at FOX, their brand is particularly nasty, but people eat it up without thinking. Fear reigns the day, it brings home the bacon and cooks it at the table. Until people let go of that, they won't see what you are talking about.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by antonia]

[edit on 28-6-2010 by antonia]

You are spot on starred and flagged. I find it highly dubious that as soon as Cameron and the Conservatives get into power in the UK, there is a 'surge' in fox attack stories in the press.

'You are not safe from foxes even in cities! The deadliest breed of all, smart, sly, sophisticated, fashion savvy, and sexually adventurous! Ladies and gentlemen I give you the Urban Fox.'



To add mars1 you beat me to it, starred you too!

[edit on 28-6-2010 by Big Raging Loner]

Originally posted by TV_Nation
You have put some nice thoughts into this thread and to be honest you are pretty spot on with your assumption.

You have shown me the errors of my way or at least part of it.

There does come a point in time where something is pounded into your subconscious so deeply that it becomes easy to fall back on it without much thought.

Who is to say what subjects are truly important if we cannot take anything in the political climate at face value.

We live in a world that puts walls all around us and sometimes it's almost impossible to see what is on the other side.

I know we can't agree on everything but I can appreciate this post.

reply to post by TV_Nation


Well thank you kindly for your honesty and polite well written reply

We don’t have to agree on everything... as long as what we say is true to our hearts we remain true to ourselves and those around us... regardless of if we agree or not.

Often though people will go along with what the MSM says regardless of what their heart is telling them... The MSM is far more powerful than people realise... to the point where it can make people turn against their own ethical and moral beliefs. Especially when fighting against a perceived threat!

The MSM gives us a threat and says because of this threat we need to go and kill people, or give up certain rights, or make certain (ethically questionable) decisions... some people will believe it, some people wont... because the MSM wants total control they will then focus on the issue... reporting every insignificant little detail that occurs as “Breaking News”

Eventually we become so bombarded that, those who didn’t first agree, are now finding themselves saying “i didn’t agree at first, but even i can see that this is becoming a problem”

Eventually they have us all thinking that a threat is so great that we must throw all our morals and rights out of the window in order to combat this exaggerated threat. And they are great at using psychology against us... they have learnt that, not only can they get us to give up our rights, they can make us feel good about doing it. They do this by making it feel like a worthy sacrifice... and then reinforcing hatred of threat by saying “If it wasn’t for them, we wouldn’t have had to give up this right”

It’s very clever, they have almost every angle covered!

Peace!

reply to post by Muckster


Muckster, I'm very tempted to you call out as a complete hypocrite for composing this thread because the last time you and I exchanged, you flamed me for ''ranting''! Is this not exactly what you're doing here? The context, as you put it, could be very much taken as a rant.

Regardless, let that not distract you from understanding that I wish to let you know that I agree, wholeheartedly, with your post and the points you make are quite possibly the very driving force or underlying reason why I started to browse ATS.

What annoys me more than anything is the mundane methods they use while reading news on television. That drone-like form of NLP (key words at strategic places and sound-bites in a sentence in order convery the message).

I immediately identified the second ''fox attacks'' as yet another agenda pushing format designed for one thing only.

PEACE

[edit on 28-6-2010 by BAZ752]

[edit on 28-6-2010 by BAZ752]

reply to post by BAZ752

Muckster, I'm very tempted to you call out as a complete hypocrite for composing this thread because the last time you and I exchanged, you flamed me for ''ranting''! Is this not exactly what you're doing here? The context, as you put it, could be very much taken as a rant.

Regardless, let that not distract you from understanding that I wish to let you know that I agree, wholeheartedly, with your post and the points you make are quite possibly the very driving force or underlying reason why I started to browse ATS.

What annoys me more than anything is the mundane methods they use while reading news on television. That drone-like form of NLP (key words at strategic places and sound-bites in a sentence in order convery the message).

I immediately identified the second ''fox attacks'' as yet another agenda pushing format designed for one thing only.

PEACE

Sorry but i don’t see how my OP is a rant... nor do i see the relevance of mentioning another thread, but not going into details... In fact, it seems to be nothing less than a personal attack against me (but done as suggestive rather than outright)

If you still have a grievance regarding anything i may have said in another post i will happily discuss it with you via a U2U...

However, to mention it here is rather rude... It’s nice that you agree with my OP.... but a personal attack regarding something i am alleged to have done in another thread seems a little bitter!

Also, if by flame, you mean "disagreed with your opinion" than maybe i did... however flame is a term that is often subjective to the receivers own personal feelings on the issue. I honestly do not believe that i have ever “flamed” anyone... Unless, of course, i have an incorrect definition of flaming...


U2U me the link... and your feelings on it... and i will happily discuss it.

Peace


[edit on 28-6-2010 by Muckster]

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by BAZ752

 

Muckster, I'm very tempted to you call out as a complete hypocrite for composing this thread because the last time you and I exchanged, you flamed me for ''ranting''! Is this not exactly what you're doing here? The context, as you put it, could be very much taken as a rant.

Regardless, let that not distract you from understanding that I wish to let you know that I agree, wholeheartedly, with your post and the points you make are quite possibly the very driving force or underlying reason why I started to browse ATS.

What annoys me more than anything is the mundane methods they use while reading news on television. That drone-like form of NLP (key words at strategic places and sound-bites in a sentence in order convery the message).

I immediately identified the second ''fox attacks'' as yet another agenda pushing format designed for one thing only.

PEACE

Sorry but i don’t see how my OP is a rant... nor do i see the relevance of mentioning another thread, but not going into details... In fact, it seems to be nothing less than a personal attack against me (but done as suggestive rather than outright)

If you still have a grievance regarding anything i may have said in another post i will happily discuss it with you via a U2U...

However, to mention it here is rather rude... It’s nice that you agree with my OP.... but a personal attack regarding something i am alleged to have done in another thread seems a little bitter!

Also, if by flame, you mean "disagreed with your opinion" than maybe i did... however flame is a term that is often subjective to the receivers own personal feelings on the issue. I honestly do not believe that i have ever “flamed” anyone... Unless, of course, i have an incorrect definition of flaming...


U2U me the link... and your feelings on it... and i will happily discuss it.

Peace


[edit on 28-6-2010 by Muckster]

Consider it done.

I think you are wrong

at least 10% of the people in this planet are psychopaths because of the DNA, if you count other type of mental diseases .... you get the point ...

its a dangerous place

Heres a breakdown of the BBC NEWS headlines...

Rape
Money Problems
Violence
Immigration
War/Death
Violence/Gun Crime
Immigration
Immigration/Politics
War
Immigration
Doomsday Scenario's

can see what the rage over summer will be...

reply to post by Muckster


you my friend make a lot of sense

it is true we are bombarded from every corner.
no matter where you look its there, people are not really allowed to make decisions anymore. its all given out in a shiny wrapper i have only ever seen one tv program on the MSM that actually looked at both sides of the story equally and that was when peter jennings reported on ufos. you can easily see the sway when the MSM presents any "news" information. and you cant really blame people for falling for it because its everywhere, they have been mastering the technique for a while now and they are pretty good at it.


[edit on 28-6-2010 by T0XiK]

I think people have a hard time reading the news for JUST information. They have a hard time filtering through what partisan sources want you to feel and what is the actual news.

I truly believe there aren't enough intelligent people reading the news and making their own opinion with the facts presented. Rather, they are eating up and regurgitating that same BS with only a filter of their own eloquence.


pushing an extremist attitude with the news is not the way to understand what's going on in the world

Originally posted by catwhoknows
reply to post by Muckster

 

You are so right.

We are brainwashed.

What can we do?

Not calling you out specifically, but this resonates. The whole problem are these three lines. Claim someone is speaking the truth, realize you might be thinking according to someone else's ideology, and then asking someone else for theirs. Its straight out of "the Life of Brian."

Here is a better idea: think for yourselves.

Awesome OP. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I wish the mods would erase all the off topic posts on here.

I have been trying to say this in so many words for a while. Racism, religious hatred, partisanship and all other divisive ideologies are pushed by the media. Too many people here on ATS play right into it too. Its frustrating and infectious just as we saw earlier in this thread. People here are too quick to get up on their high horse and judge others based on MSM reports.

Most of the people I know aren't reading papers or watching the news at 10pm at all. A majority of people are plugged in to their daily routine and they seldom waiver from that.

Work Monday through Friday, after work they head to the kids ball games where they yell at the coach because its not fair theat their kids aren't the star player. After the ball games they run home to catch American Idol and flop the kids in front of the TV for some mind-stimulating Nickelodeon.

On the weekends we hit the golf course, ball game or shopping during the day and at night we hit the club for some drunken fun.

At no point to they stop to think that all sports are a waste of time after high school. Why watch grown men play kids games? They never stop to think that American Idol is complete garbage and if they had any REAL talent, they would already be on the music scene. They never grasp the notion that a short conversation with your child is much more educational than an interactive Dora the Explora video game.

As a society, we are brainwashed to do the things that are popular and fun with no regard to common sense or responability. We are nothing more than mice in a maze. We learn that if we push the right button or activate the right lever, we can recieve that stimulus we so desire.

Originally posted by Muckster
This was originally going to be a reply to someone’s thread... however, after reading back over it, i thought it was worthy of a thread of its own due to the far reaching implications of my belief... Hope you don’t mind

The Mass Media like to get the teeth into a subject and shake it to death... they want every last morsel of juice before they let it go... Why? It makes money and fits an agenda... Either a Government agenda or a corporate one (i guess depending on who happens to be linning the pockets that week)

Dog Attacks, Paedophiles, Terrorists, Killer foxes, Illegal Immigrants etc...

All these stories over reported and sensationalised to make us think that we are living in an extremely dangerous world and the only way to survive is for the glorious powers that be to provide us with more protection... more Laws, More Cameras, ID Cards, Internet monitoring, phone tapping... Less freedom!!

It’s ALL Rubbish!!!

But people buy into it... and not only that, when they do experience an event that has been reported in the paper, they do not see it for what it is... for we have lost the ability to put things into context. Instead, we scream from the rooftops about the injustice and how we are "As Mad as hell"

Like idiotic brainwashed drones we then go screaming to the politicians for "Change" and "demand action to stop this" Feeling smug with ourselves that we have “shown them we won’t stand for it”

And how the politicians must be laughing, as we then demand the very things that they could never have suggested in the first place!!

Suckers all of us...

But the worse thing about this is... most of the people i explain this too, while reading a paper, nod in agreement “yeah i know what you mean” they say... Only to then say...

“wow you seen what’s on page 8? Apparently, Illegal Immigrant Paedophile terrorist dogs have been attacking war heroes... we gottta do something about this... what is the world coming to?”






[edit on 28-6-2010 by Muckster]

i got brainwashed last night.

I was taking a shower, and then BAM. Totally brainwashed. If politicians only found the true secret, shampoo! You can create a SUPER brain wash with shampoo.

reply to post by Muckster


Aye. It's what's called a "Moral Panic", mate and involved the "Deviency Amplification Spiral".

This was philosophised by Criminologist/Sociologist Stanly Cohen in his book "Folk Devils and Moral Panics". I would strongly recommend you get a copy, mate as it seems you understand exactly what the great man was talking about and I think you can learn a lot from it and also find yourself entertained by it.

Moral Panic - en.wikipedia.org...

Deviancy Amplification Spiral - en.wikipedia.org...

A bit about Stan Cohen - en.wikipedia.org...

The book - www.amazon.co.uk...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277747096&sr=1-1

Bloody hell! Quite expensive! 13 quid and it even goes up to over £80!! Anyway, I'm sure you'll find it for a fiver or under if you look.