Original and complete Bible found?

what would be the difference? what you get now in bibles is a cross breed of pagan and christian works.. thrown together we should be storming the vatican vult and kicking the doors down to get the real word of god or goddess but hey thats just me

*******ATTENTION*******
On behalf of RaphAH and myself I would like to thank you all for your discussion on this thread with regard to The Original Scriptures E1. I can completely understand EVERYONES skepticism! Tomorrow I will let RaphAH know of this thread as I do not believe he has been to this site before even though I have been on this site since just about whence it started. A few months ago I finally created my own membership here and appreciate all those who truly seek truth as we do and are not afraid of questioning everyone and everything.

Just a couple of points and then I will also have RaphAH read these posts and reply in detail for everyones information and you can ask him personally your direct questions. No questions are unreasonable but it would be nice for everyone to be honest and respectful of each other since we are discussing something VERY Set Apart.

In response to the comments about having to buy the book. Just to let you know, The Scriptures are less than 30 bucks a book plus 4 dollars shipping. This literature does not have a church or foundation backing it, it never will. It is in it's very first printing and so yes we expect the price to decrease over time but keeping in mind NOBODY is being fleeced in a church to pay for these so that they can be given out freely! The funds are simply the start of this first edition printing. I do not think it entirely unreasonable myself that paying for paper and ink is the wrong thing to do. Things cost money to create so there ya have it plain and simple otherwise you have seen the link previously posted with the online .pdf someone has provided.

Earlier the 351 price was quoted as an unreasonably priced "boxed set". This is not what the site says... read the print, it is a "case of 14 of the same book" in a BOX not a box set... There is a bulk discount because of the shipping costs involved.

1. Bible sales corporations are earnestly seeking these lost scrolls along with religious figureheads, the Taliban and in no small measure governments!
Since these are the most complete and oldest COMPLETE scriptures known to man that the churches have not also been able to hide, these unadulterated scriptures contain many truths that have not yet been revealed to everyone. Most of what is contained in the bibles of churchianity have been changed, corrupted and hidden especially in what many refer to the scriptures as The Old Testament section.

2. MANY HAVE PAID A PRICE WITH THERE OWN BLOOD to get this out to you. I would beg you to PLEASE, even if you do not appreciate or respect anything about what you are about to learn, PLEASE understand and respect just this one fact in honor of those who DIED to get this information to you!

3. The E1 scriptures only contain Matt - Rev and Revelation is NOT one of the scrolls found with these scrolls. Gen up to Matt. is currently under careful translation.

4. You can read up a bit more on my website www.PraiseYaHuWaH.com... on the finding of these scrolls.

5. The implications of these lost scrolls being found are HUGE because there seems to be deeper hidden "things" not to be revealed yet. This because these scrolls seem to predate and be "completed" and accurate in there entirety. This we believe will prove to have huge implications.

6. A discovery has been made, consonants that POINT with a vowel sound even though there is not a written letter for these vowels there is proof of this now. YHWH ALL HAVE VOWEL POINTS and so we do finally know His Great Name YaHuWaH, now that we are living in the appointed time of its re-release to this fading system.

7. Not Mormon or ANY other religions affiliations, we are people of YAsarel!

I will ask RaphAH to address your questions and leave you now with the inscription that was chiseled into the floor of this home many many centuries ago 12 meters above the chamber these scrolls were found in:

baruwk hata bashem YHWH (Blessed Be The Name of YaHuWaH

reply to post by YAHUWAH SAVES


If someone is wanting people to pay for it, and this is in fact what the site says it is....their intent on making money off it is not true intent of the heart.

It should be offered online for free, the public deserves that.

Edit to add...and the free version should include all images of every page of the text....and then the translated version also.

I dont see any real evidence that this is what it claims to be.

[edit on 11-8-2010 by LeoVirgo]

reply to post by LeoVirgo


Sure, all bibles are free and simply appear without anyone paying for them...

Actually it is those who can least afford to give that have probably paid in their churchly contributions for the bibles you have been used to being given to you for free...

I think anyone looking at your comments can see the real issue however...

Please stand by, more to come...

reply to post by YAHUWAH SAVES


There are all sorts of old texts that have been found that are now online for free and you can look at the original images of the text as well as have a translated version. When something is REAL, things like that are able to happen.

The Bible cost because it has been made into something it should not be also. Just as this person on this website is doing.

Jesus didnt charge people for his wisdom. Im sure God never intended for that to be so either.

You should not 'sell' spiritual wisdom. Its just wrong....look at all these 'new age' people trying to 'sell' their knowledge....look at all these people that try to make a buck off of sharing NDE or some spiritual experience. Its wrong.

I think I've been through the whole thread, and I wonder if anybody else has been struck by the similarities to the whole 'Kolbrin Bible' business of recent years? They were also supposed to be 'found' ancient scriptures, mysteriously translated, and making their first appearance not in the MSM, or in any religious journal or paper, but for sale on the Internet.

In that case, despite extensive publicity from supposedy starstruck readers amazed to find 'ancient' references to Planet X (Marshall Masters, linked with both the whole Nibiru business and with Project Camelot, was among those involved in the publication) the effort really wasn't worth it. I suspect this won't be either!

reply to post by LeoVirgo


"There are all sorts of old texts that have been found that are now online for free and you can look at the original images of the text as well as have a translated version. When something is REAL, things like that are able to happen."

You know what LV, yer asolutely right, there are plenty of "old texts" just as you stated that are out there. A true word seeker will find the texts and can truly learn to compare the truths contained to the abominations stark contrast that are in most current scriptures and books of today. A good place to start is P45 and P46 and there are many more to be sure.
These scrolls are not going to make a difference at all to anyone who is not seeking truths... I was told once that it will matter not to most people these truths because there are already truths out there that their hearts are not truly seeking out... And so in my earnest zeal I felt that perhaps there were word seekers possibly here...

Well I will just advise anyone TRULY interested can go to RaphAH's site at www.YaHuWaH.com... and read up in further detail. If you are seeking truths please feel free to make contact. If not, keep on keepin on.

Shalom

reply to post by octotom

Thank you for examining this amazing claim. Please note that it is the library that claims to be 1970 years old or older. The ROS manuscripts are claimed to be all newly prepared copies around 70 AD except for Revelation. This does fall within the time frame most scholars place all the NT Books except Revelation (which is normally thought to be around 93 AD). They state that the OT Books are obviously not original from Moses but that they could be exact copies of the Old and New Testament originals. They state that they do not know for sure until another 70 AD library is found that collaborates with the ROS texts.

Did not the ChristUW Himself state that the true original Scripture would always be on earth as long as there was an earth (Mt 5:18)? And if He would restore them supernaturally to some group on earth for a "Latter Day" awakening, would it be to some wealthy TV evangelist, or large church or university who does not study, preach or apply what is already in 13000 existing manuscripts or to a small "unknown" group of eastern purists who have studied the existing manuscripts?

If this group of "YAHUWans" are a fraud, why is this group the only group on the web that correctly call the Savior "YAHUW" (or YAHUWshua, "YAHUW is salvation") which agrees with all 13000 registered non-Catholic pre-1000 AD Scriptural manuscripts? In fact they show where "YAHUW" (yod, hey, uwa) is in the universally respected Massoretic text 2100 times yet why are they the only Scripture lovers on earth that worship "YAHUW" as the Savior while most "modern scholars" still lie to us about the 500 year old name "Jesus" being in the early manuscripts?

These "YAHUWans" offer a $10,000 challenge to any person, church, or university to prove "Jesus" in any text before 1000 AD! Why aren't they broke? Why don't some of you take them up on it?

Words are cheap but $10,000 shows me these people are the most serious scholars I have ever encountered. Maybe we ought to do our own homework first before we embarrass ourselves with our ignorance?

What makes us think our Creator would not use some "nobodies" to bring His pure truth again? Is this another "Joseph and Mary" nobodies which "the wise and arrogant" traditionalist can't (or won't) see? I use to be a preacher of traditional Christianty to millions until I started seeking the truth for myself. How about you?

Like many others, I will be interested to hear what your friend has to say.

Originally posted by YAHUWAH SAVES
Just a couple of points and then I will also have RaphAH read these posts and reply in detail for everyones information and you can ask him personally your direct questions. No questions are unreasonable but it would be nice for everyone to be honest and respectful of each other since we are discussing something VERY Set Apart.

I shall particularly be interested in this, because I have done some university level study of linguistics and I can stumble along in a number of languages. Particularly interesting would be a snapshot of a portion of the manuscript.

BTW, please do not promote purchasing the book. If you wish to do that you will have to directly talk with SkepticOverlord and Crackeur -- I will say that it's not easy to get permission.

1. Bible sales corporations are earnestly seeking these lost scrolls along with religious figureheads, the Taliban and in no small measure governments!

I find this rather surprising since (as far as I'm aware) no one in the scholarly community or on the language lists is aware that these exist. And the Linglist folks would be among the early ones contacted. The Taliban could hardly have a problem with this, given that Islam is one of the religions that uses the Old Testament as a holy book. I don't see them particularly interested in a New Testament. Ditto the Jews.

2. MANY HAVE PAID A PRICE WITH THERE OWN BLOOD to get this out to you. I would beg you to PLEASE, even if you do not appreciate or respect anything about what you are about to learn, PLEASE understand and respect just this one fact in honor of those who DIED to get this information to you!

Hopefully we will learn their real names?

3. The E1 scriptures only contain Matt - Rev and Revelation is NOT one of the scrolls found with these scrolls. Gen up to Matt. is currently under careful translation.

"Rev" is not Revelation, then? Also, your "currently under careful translation" sort of is at a disjoint with your statement that these are in publication?

5. The implications of these lost scrolls being found are HUGE because there seems to be deeper hidden "things" not to be revealed yet. This because these scrolls seem to predate and be "completed" and accurate in there entirety. This we believe will prove to have huge implications.

I have quite an interest in archaeology and look forward to hearing more about the area where they were found -- particularly in light of digs that may be within a hundred miles of the area.

6. A discovery has been made, consonants that POINT with a vowel sound even though there is not a written letter for these vowels there is proof of this now.

I'm particularly interested in how you determined the points in paleoHebrew script, and what supporting material was used in the translation -- what was used as a "Rosetta stone" document. As I understand it, points are used in modern Hebrew only for non-native readers and that the vowel points were relatively recent. I do hope that there's a transliteration available as well for the curious (such as myself.) I'm quite interested in linguistic structures and formulaic phrases.

baruwk hata bashem YHWH (Blessed Be The Name of YaHuWaH

Interesting. So... Hebrew but not Hebrew. I'm intrigued at the possible etymology here.

reply to post by Snippy23


Planet X and nabiru are theories with some interesting gravitational satelite evidence. You can see 30 pages of P-46, (200 AD NT Manuscript) in the Univ of Michigan library or fly to Dublin Ireland to see the rest which supports and agrees with the ROS texts for "YAHUW" (IHY) and against all the "Jesus" scholars of the entire world! YAHUWans begin with facts, real physical evidence, not your arm chair etheralists! Why do you equate interesting theory with scientific facts? No political mud slinging please? Let's just deal with the facts first, please?

Originally posted by RaphAH
reply to post by Snippy23

 

Planet X and nabiru are theories with some interesting gravitational satelite evidence. You can see 30 pages of P-46, (200 AD NT Manuscript) in the Univ of Michigan library

Perhaps you can point me to the lines which you are referring to in P-46? The Greek is difficult for me, but I can "sort of" make out what's going on. The manuscript has been translated before (and from my bad knowledge of Greek, everything matches)... so I'm interested to see what section you're referring to and how it's interpreted.

Also... that's Greek, not paleoHebrew.

Why do you equate interesting theory with scientific facts? No political mud slinging please? Let's just deal with the facts first, please?

Indeed! Glad you showed up. Perhaps you will be able to satisfy my curiosity?

reply to post by Byrd


Thanks for the reply. P-46 is AHlenic ("Greek" is a turkish word meaning "unbeliever" and is only about 600 years old). If you go to www.theoriginalscriptures.org you can see one illustration of "YAHUW" spelled iota, ha, upsilon in P-46. The Univ of Mich library also has examples online but don't be fooled by their scholars deceptive "transcription" to the Catholic "Iesous"! Look at the original photographs. This IHY spelling is consistent throughout P-45 and P-46 and dozens of other early texts. Later texts went to the simpler IY or IU, also pronouced "YAHUW". This agrees exactly with thousands of times in the Tanaka (Hebrew OT) where "YAHUW" is presented as the Savior, Redeemer, Resurrection, Provider, Rescuer, Fulfiller of Promises, our Salvation etc. (See Strong's for "Isaiah's" true name.) So why are 99.9% of Biblical scholars so blind to this?

I understand that the state I was born in, Iowa, is roughly the correct pronunciation of the name of God, because after all,

AHEEYOHHHHHWWWHHAAAH

is God's country. No matter what those losers in Ohio claim.

reply to post by Byrd

statement:
BTW, please do not promote purchasing the book. If you wish to do that you will have to directly talk with SkepticOverlord and Crackeur -- I will say that it's not easy to get permission.

response:
You'll notice that nowhere was anyone asked to purchase anything. I am not sure why that statement would be made because it confuses people into thinkin this was infact done. I am not here to peddle, only answer questions pertaining to this thread. To DEFEND statements that the costs were too high based on a misquote of a "case" vs "boxed set". Never did I ask anyone to purchase a thing. Nor would I.

statement:
The Taliban could hardly have a problem with this, given that Islam is one of the religions that uses the Old Testament as a holy book. I don't see them particularly interested in a New Testament. Ditto the Jews.

response:
The scrolls that were found INCLUDE what many call today "The Old Testament" and other books such as the book of ENOCH...

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Hopefully we will learn their real names?

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Many of there names are in the ROS E1 book it self in their memory. RaphAH himself has been shot successfully several times and has had personal loss within his own family.

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"Rev" is not Revelation, then? Also, your "currently under careful translation" sort of is at a disjoint with your statement that these are in publication?

response:
Yes the actual ancient words are MatithYAHUW to ChazUWYAHUW however I think we both understand that the average person understands Matthew and Revelation correct?

statement:
I have quite an interest in archaeology and look forward to hearing more about the area where they were found -- particularly in light of digs that may be within a hundred miles of the area.

response:
the vessels sealed in pitch that were buried 12 meters deep were found along the Old Silk Road just West of the Euphrates River. In building with the aforementioned inscription.

statement:
I'm particularly interested in how you determined the points in paleoHebrew script, and what supporting material was used in the translation -- what was used as a "Rosetta stone" document. As I understand it, points are used in modern Hebrew only for non-native readers and that the vowel points were relatively recent. I do hope that there's a transliteration available as well for the curious (such as myself.) I'm quite interested in linguistic structures and formulaic phrases.

response:
As I am newer as a word seeker and am learning much I would like to humbly offer you to please goto www.YaHuWaH.com... and read up on this and also make contact with RaphAH with any questions.

reply to post by RaphAH


I personally would be interested in seeing the scientific results from the dating of these manuscripts. The more you talk about them, the more I personally believe they are fake and you are here to make some money off of something that has been done before (kulbrin bible). Any peer reviewed science you can provide about these documents would be more than appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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statement:
I personally would be interested in seeing the scientific results from the dating of these manuscripts. The more you talk about them, the more I personally believe they are fake and you are here to make some money off of something that has been done before

response:

What then? Okay, Here are "words" that "prove" carbon dating evidence... What then? I think EVERYTHING can have holes in it and be twisted somehow and be declared a hoax. Most of life and what people believe is a hoax, hence the success of a website called ATS. So even if, would you then truly embrace the scriptures then? I think not, there are already hundreds of manuscripts that you can study freely and with the proof that you seek of carbon dating to find out enough to show that what we are taught in religiondom is not original or true. It does however require a heart condition of humility, love, seeking,honesty,faithfulness to name just a few things.

I just happened yesterday while I was on a break at my secular job to find this thread accidentally in the "recent posts" section... It actually surprised me because there is really nothing available on the internet about the ROS E1 Scriptures. As I enjoy reading much here on ATS about faith, religion and the conspiracies associated with them I was very surprised anyone here would be interested in this. We generally speak with others about the questions they have about "why we call His Name YaHuWaH" and then offer a copy of His scriptures only if the person is truly seeking truths. Sometimes we loan a copy, sometimes we give a copy where our personal budgets from our own private jobs might allow.

I felt that it seemed some here were truly interested in the possibilities and I was compelled to share. I know that I was very interested in truths first and all these other things came along in my life and have been added to my search in its correct time.

We have not asked anyone to purchase anything, period, end of story.
It was brought up by others that how dare anyone charge for scripture. Well I would like to say that paper and ink and production cost money and we are not affiliated with, endorsed by or funded from any group, cult or organization that would handle such funding as to provide these scriptures at no cost at all. Everything costs money to produce, even if the funds were donated by church goers would it still not be money that originally paid for the book? Atleast you can be assured that NOBODY donates for these scriptures. There is no profit or intent of profit or our precious eternal lives would in fact be forever lost! I simply do not understand the comments posted here. Attack attack attack... This is truly what happened to YAHUW our MeoschiYAach when He proclaimed His Fathers Name.

PLEASE if you are TRULY seeking His word there is plenty of evidence within many scrolls displayed throughout the internet for you to study and ponder on BEFORE even concerning yourselves with these scriptures. Do study on all the scrolls available first before moving on to anything else. Most will not do that and that is a shame. This is not some Get Spiritually Rich Quick Scheme, just purchase this book and the answers to all of lifes questions will be provided to you. This is about you truly seeking truths and if you will first study the scrolls that are available to the public free of charge you will find MUCH of what you need to know about that which has been changed, deleted and manipulated in the scriptures of our current most common translations.

If you are seeking out these truths truly, I am confident you will find what you are looking for.

Seek the Word! Seek Truths in all things. I hope those of you who are true seekers find the path through His Great Name, YaHuWaH.

Upward and Onward and thank you for reading our side of it.

Originally posted by YAHUWAH SAVES

What then? Okay, Here are "words" that "prove" carbon dating evidence... What then? I think EVERYTHING can have holes in it and be twisted somehow and be declared a hoax. Most of life and what people believe is a hoax, hence the success of a website called ATS. So even if, would you then truly embrace the scriptures then? I think not, there are already hundreds of manuscripts that you can study freely and with the proof that you seek of carbon dating to find out enough to show that what we are taught in religiondom is not original or true.

With the testing being done 7 different times per your website, there should be some sort of documentation of these 7 tests. I am asking to see said documentation that would show the results of the testing that has been already completed. I am not asking for new tests, just copies of the 7 tests that were already completed. It should not be a problem for you to provide, seeing as this testing has already been completed.

We generally speak with others about the questions they have about "why we call His Name YaHuWaH" and then offer a copy of His scriptures only if the person is truly seeking truths. Sometimes we loan a copy, sometimes we give a copy where our personal budgets from our own private jobs might allow.

I am interested, which is why I would like to see the documentation to support your claims of authenticity. I can find the dating for the Dead Sea Scrolls, why is it such a problem for you to provide copies of the testing done on your scrolls?

We have not asked anyone to purchase anything, period, end of story.
It was brought up by others that how dare anyone charge for scripture. Well I would like to say that paper and ink and production cost money and we are not affiliated with, endorsed by or funded from any group, cult or organization that would handle such funding as to provide these scriptures at no cost at all. Everything costs money to produce, even if the funds were donated by church goers would it still not be money that originally paid for the book? Atleast you can be assured that NOBODY donates for these scriptures. There is no profit or intent of profit or our precious eternal lives would in fact be forever lost!

I was not attacking you or the scriptures, and I do apologize if I came across that way. Before I spend my hard earned money on something I do research what I am going to buy. For this instance, part of that research would be reviewing the scientific data about the dating of original manuscripts which you have said on your website has been done 7 times.

PLEASE if you are TRULY seeking His word there is plenty of evidence within many scrolls displayed throughout the internet for you to study and ponder on BEFORE even concerning yourselves with these scriptures. Do study on all the scrolls available first before moving on to anything else.

Yet only your "word" telling me they are authentic.

Most will not do that and that is a shame. This is not some Get Spiritually Rich Quick Scheme, just purchase this book and the answers to all of lifes questions will be provided to you.

Now that you mention it...

This is about you truly seeking truths and if you will first study the scrolls that are available to the public free of charge you will find MUCH of what you need to know about that which has been changed, deleted and manipulated in the scriptures of our current most common translations.

I can not study these scrolls on the internet, but I can and have studied your multiple websites with "translations" of the scrolls. All I asked for was a copy of the scientific data that would prove their authenticity, which since the testing was done should be readily available to you.

reply to post by Vizzle


Your refusal to examine some of the accepted 13000 Scriptural manuscripts illustrates our point that if you will not accept nor study 13000 registered texts which all lead you to YAHUW the Savior in the Scriptures, why would our 240 texts change your mind to the massive truth of the Original Scriptures? P-45 and P-46 are publically carbon dated so why don't you accept them? Is this not biased hypocrisy that deserves continued blindness? The ROS texts are for pure scientists. We got enough smoke blowers and religious merchants confusing folks.

Why would the Almighty give you 240 pure texts to slander when you are already slandering 13000 texts and 177 phonetic lingusitic miracle proofs, many of which we have made free for all on our websites? Your attitude is very representative of Christian "scholars" today who don't use what they have been graciously given but unscientifically still demand that God must first prove to you personally the world is not flat before you will go learn to use a sextant yourself. Should you not go buy "your own sextant" and then you can intelligently converse?

Originally posted by RaphAH
Your refusal to examine some of the accepted 13000 Scriptural manuscripts illustrates our point that if you will not accept nor study 13000 registered texts which all lead you to YAHUW the Savior in the Scriptures, why would our 240 texts change your mind to the massive truth of the Original Scriptures?

I have not refused to examine anything, and before you question my beliefs again, I do go to church every Sunday.

P-45 and P-46 are publically carbon dated so why don't you accept them?

All I asked for was a link to the actual documentation of the tests. Provide a link please to the public carbon dating. Google is not working for me today it seems like. I can't find these tests anywhere =(

We got enough smoke blowers and religious merchants confusing folks.

Isn't that the truth, and exactly my point.

Why would the Almighty give you 240 pure texts to slander when you are already slandering 13000 texts and 177 phonetic lingusitic miracle proofs, many of which we have made free for all on our websites?

How is asking for documentation slander? My doubts are even greater than before after your replies and refusal to provide the actual scientific data proving these texts are dated to when you say they are.

Your attitude is very representative of Christian "scholars" today who don't use what they have been graciously given but unscientifically still demand that God must first prove to you personally the world is not flat before you will go learn to use a sextant yourself. Should you not go buy "your own sextant" and then you can intelligently converse?

No. I was not asking god to prove anything to me. I was asking for the documentation for the 7 tests that are already completed. Why is this a problem? Why are you now attacking me for asking for them? Why do I need to buy your translations, aka: my own sextant, before I can "Intelligently Converse"? I have faith in Gods word, not yours.

[edit on 11-8-2010 by Vizzle]

Originally posted by RaphAH
reply to post by Byrd

 

Thanks for the reply. P-46 is AHlenic ("Greek" is a turkish word meaning "unbeliever" and is only about 600 years old).

Actually, it's Koine Greek... and I'm pretty sure it's transliterated 'Ellenotike konin.' I'm also surprised that you claim it is Turkish, sincde Aristotle first used the word.

I notice you say you have several PhDs... in what subject (just curious.)

If you go to www.theoriginalscriptures.org you can see one illustration of "YAHUW" spelled iota, ha, upsilon in P-46.

Yes, I see it photoshopped in (and misaligned at that.) I assumed it was to show an example of the text rather than the real thing. Since I'm interested in such things, I'd love to see the original text with the paleoHebrew inscriptions in the middle of the koine Greek.

The pages seemed to imply that you weren't using already discovered material, but a new find so I was rather disappointed to see only already cataloged texts on your page (and particularly disappointed by the bad photoshop job.)