So my Iraq/Afghan war veteran good friend just killed himself.....

A good friend of mine whom I went to High school with, practically grew up with the kid, just blew his brains out with a 30 aught 6. Only his jaw was left attached to the rest of his body......

This is not some-one who would have done this. He was highly intelligent, had kids and an ex-wife, lived amongst a community of old friends that were like his support crew and he hung out with them just about daily.

Anyway, I think there is something being done over there, either:

1. Chemical weapons that destroy some brain functions of all who are there
2. Soldier vaccine shots are destroying brain functions
3. Islamic voodoo curses placed on the soldiers where demons attack they're mental functions.

What do you guys think? Something isn't right abut this ordeal

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This doesnt seem to far.
When my dad came back from the army he said they put them in a gas room and a lot of them choked, after he was never the same.
He started hearing foot steps and he went crazy. The army definitely experiments on their soldiers.

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My condolences to your friend and his family/friends. I have wondered too about all the factors involved in fighting over there. The depleted uranium wasteland surely is a reality, no? And the vaccines, I understand they require 60+ different vaccs.
These things mixed with the other horror's of war and the adapting to a civilian life again must sometimes be too much to handle , physically and mentally, but I can only imagine.
I am grateful for his service and for you bringing some attention to his passing.
Blessings....

[edit on 27-6-2010 by speculativeoptimist]

Oh my God, I am sooooo sorry to hear this hun. My sincere sympathy to you, his family and friends. There are many suicides from our people in the military. When you hear of this when it is so unlikely that the person would go to such extremes, you have to ask yourself, what is going on here? Something is indeed going on and we need to find out what.

I have a friend who's in baghdad right now. He was my first good friend when I moved up here, so I can almost relate to your story.

I hear from him from time to time, and he's definitely different.

Before he left, he was all gung-ho about going over there and 'fighting for our country' and killing some sandn-----s as he put it.

Now he tells me they don't know what they're even doing over there, that the only reason things are 'getting better' is because the locals just want them to leave, and when he talks about shooting people and blowing stuff up, I can just feel he isn't as proud of it as he thought he would be.

He's got a wife and a beautiful new daughter, and them, his mom, and me are the only people he's talked to in the states since he deployed.

I can't see him killing himself, but he's just the kind of guy that anyone who knows him expects to do crazy things and put himself in dangerous positions.

The day he told me he was going to deploy was the day I realized I'll probably never get to see him again. I tell him I love him every time we talk, and it makes both of us feel better (he'd never say it back until just recently, when he sounded more distressed than normal on the phone)but...

The fact is - if he's killed innocent people and destroyed peoples livelihoods, there's no justice in him staying alive and living a good life afterwards.
It's a horrible thing to think about, but it's fair, and has to be something that goes through these guys' heads...

I'm worried about someone else killing him while he's there, but unless he goes batshirt crazy when he comes back, he's going to have a tough time dealing with himself, and the worry will be about him killing himself, or doing something that will force others to do it for him.

I just wish he never 'had' to go over there in the first place, and if there's one good thing that can come from all this crap, it's that others are learning from their mistakes, and won't be so eager to give up their lives for a murderous empire...

Sorry if anybody doesn't like any of that, but it's my opinion on the topic brought up.

As a former war-veteran and now scientist i think your suggestions are not very likely. After being to a war you will be having a hard time dealing with everything you have experienced and seen. Most people get post-traumatic stress syndrom. Its quite normal. I have had trouble for over 10 years. Nothing weird about it.

Sorry to hear that. There are a lot of people that do this everyday that aren't veterans and I am not one to say this is a selfish act. The act of suicide is indeed sad but I don't see it as wrong, evil, or selfish.


Believe it or not it is a natural reaction to an unnatural world we live in. Be prepared to see a lot more of it in years to come. Folks you would have never thought would kill themselves will.
People can only conform and act as if for so long before they snap.

Originally posted by dominicus
A good friend of mine whom I went to High school with, practically grew up with the kid, just blew his brains out with a 30 aught 6. Only his jaw was left attached to the rest of his body......

This is not some-one who would have done this. He was highly intelligent, had kids and an ex-wife, lived amongst a community of old friends that were like his support crew and he hung out with them just about daily.

Anyway, I think there is something being done over there, either:

1. Chemical weapons that destroy some brain functions of all who are there
2. Soldier vaccine shots are destroying brain functions
3. Islamic voodoo curses placed on the soldiers where demons attack they're mental functions.

What do you guys think? Something isn't right abut this ordeal

Actually whats happening over there is very simple, its called BEING CONSCIOUS, or in case of your friend he became conscious or aware of what he was really doing and what is really happening in Iraq/Afgan and couldn't live with himself anymore.

That is what war does, especially and Illegal war!...


[edit on 27-6-2010 by Moonguy]

No Voodoo, No Drugs, No experiments.

Loneliness, Feelign Worthless b/c of the SH!T you have to do. Financial issues, failing marriage.

Why do people always jump to conclusions???

Who knows why anyone would be compelled to do this kind of thing to themselves. It was a war he was returning from, and that alone may have been sufficient cause in itself. He may have had a guilty conscience that led him to do that. For some, it ain't easy coming back from war, realizing that you have killed gawd knows how many people, be them enemy soldiers or innocent bystanders, and having to live with that the rest of your life. While killing may not bother some people on this planet, I'm sure there are some out there that would find it to difficult to live with what they have done. So sorry to hear about your friend, his pain must have been great. May he now rest in peace.

I'm sorry for your loss, and I think it is affecting you more than you think.
Suicide is always hard to accept, but it's a fact. Your friend "wouldn't have done it"? He did. I think that people who seek explanations other than "he was so hopeless about life that he took the only exit he saw" are being delusionnal.
Before you get angry, listen to my experience: I literally come from Suicide-Town. It's a 10.000 people town, and I've counted over 50 suicides in the last years. I'm not making that figure up: I've even made a map of them. Just in my neighbourhood, there's been 10 suicides. Just a month ago, two men killed themselves that I know of.
Well, none of these people "would have done it". None of them. You never expect a suicide. The people who claim they're going to do it, they're generally seeking attention (not in a bad way, I mean they're asking for emotional support). In most of the cases I know of, it's probably an accumulation of little, 'insignificant' events that, one day, make a person break. (to be entirely honest, of my 50 cases, there's one which could have been expected, a lady who jumped off a highway overpass after 10 previous attempts).
What I'm coming to, maybe inelegantly, is that the people who commit suicide are not mentally ill. Normal people commit suicide. It can happen to any of us or of our friends.
I'm sorry that your friend died, but I don't think there's anything fishy behind it. He had a hard life, if he was a soldier, and maybe something happened, the straw that broke the camel's back. He might have suffered from PTSD. The only reason it's so hard to accept is because of the taboo that our society has put over suicide.

People who may seem happy and OK may really be suicidal. Although you may be right that there could have been other factors, I dont think you can really know.

He probably killed himself because he had to live with the thought of killing innocent children in the middle east. Who *could* murder innocent children and live on with their lives?

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It's called PTSD.

Some people just can't handle coming back from war.

It's not their fault however. It's the lack of support from the VA and the government for putting their lives on the line for America.

Sad day.

I am sorry to hear of your lose my friend.

~Keeper

It's most like a combination of all of the above(except the voodoo!).
Normal human beings have souls and are effected by what they do. So killing for no good reason, is gonna be a big problem for most. Coming home to struggle emotionally and financially, has got to absolutely overwhelm. Add to this physical illnesses from all the vaccines and it's downright hopeless.
I had a customer 6 months ago. A woman probably in her early 30's that came back from one of the wars, (pretty sure it was Iraq)and she is sick, sick, sick. She was explaining all her illnesses, and syndromes and, she really won't live long, in my opinion. She was so brave explaining all she went through, but sadly (in my opinion) she has not put together the fact that she was used and abused. She did think it was possible that the vaccines did all this to her, but she was a die-hard soldier and kept preaching that the army was the greatest thing ever. All the while telling me she had been raped twice while in it also. (She has 2 children also, and the ex, of course, left her) Doesn't get much sadder than this.

I am sure every war is brutal to the human spirit, but I think it is compounded now, by the poisons(vaccines, DU..), and just the world we live in makes it hard to come home and get back to something normal.


[edit on 27-6-2010 by SunnyDee]

Originally posted by The_Zomar
He probably killed himself because he had to live with the thought of killing innocent children in the middle east. Who *could* murder innocent children and live on with their lives?

WTF?

What is wrong with you?!

What proof do you have to make such a wild accusation? Killed innocent children?

You need to re-evaluate yourself my friend, that was rude and uncalled for. There's no need to insult the dead or make wild assumptions without any sort of factual evidence.



~Keeper

[edit on 6/27/2010 by tothetenthpower]

PTSD Is common among returning veterans of all eras.
Many turn to drugs and or alcohol in an attempt to hide from reality and when they do seek help they often come across ignorance of their experiences and what direction therapy should take. Ignorance of the condition often leads to a devastating outcome.


SELF EDIT
Returned to on topic reply.
Kept personal experience anonymous.


PEACE

Slay

[edit on 27-6-2010 by SLAYER69]

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
reply to post by dominicus

 

My condolences to your friend and his family/friends. I have wondered too about all the factors involved in fighting over there. The depleted uranium wasteland surely is a reality, no? And the vaccines, I understand they require 60+ different vaccs.
These things mixed with the other horror's of war and the adapting to a civilian life again must sometimes be too much to handle , physically and mentally, but I can only imagine.
I am grateful for his service and for you bringing some attention to his passing.
Blessings....

[edit on 27-6-2010 by speculativeoptimist]

There's tons of vaccines some are more tailored to certain areas. I received the Anthrax vaccine and the idiots gave me 2 extra, it's made life fun. I also had a layer of skin a little larger than a half dollar rot and start to come off my arm after the smallpox vaccine. Service members are just cattle you just don't realize it while you're in. Also OP I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, if the VA actually had competent people instead of folks that graduated at the bottom of there class he still might be alive.

Originally posted by The_Zomar
He probably killed himself because he had to live with the thought of killing innocent children in the middle east. Who *could* murder innocent children and live on with their lives?

What are you like 5?
Go play with your X-Box/dolls while the adults talk at the grown up table.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by The_Zomar
He probably killed himself because he had to live with the thought of killing innocent children in the middle east. Who *could* murder innocent children and live on with their lives?

What are you like 5?
Go play with your X-Box/dolls while the adults talk at the grown up table.

Irrelevant post.

The fact is that people do suffer from PTSD when returning from murdering people on battlefields. They don't develop PTSD from being claustrophobic.

This is the real world, not your imagination. Or whomever's imagination you let mould your mind.