The "Up to the Minute" BP Livefeed Discussion Thread

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Sorry did not intend for it to be so long...on limited time at the moment.

Ektar

Originally posted by FreebirdGirl
reply to post by justadood

 

Cool site. But don't you think if there has been sea exploration in the gulf since 1950 then there has to be pictures of the seabed before the Deepwater incident? If so where are the pictures? I have searched and searched and still can not find any? Have you had any luck?

i didnt see the part about the 1950's, altho i saw a mention of the project starting in the 60's/

and yes, there are numerous photos at the links that say 'images'

www.serpentproject.com...

www.serpentproject.com...



I am merely adding this to this thread because of its relation to the video cat posted a few pages back, and because they seem to have surveyed the Gulf region using ROV's in the past.

Originally posted by StealthyKat
Read the info on this video....it explains how the feeds we all have been seeing are crap.....and be sure to click on the link in the vid info that shows you a short and rare clip of how BP gets to view the cams! What a difference!

for posterity:

"""This video is not remarkable for anything it shows, rather what it prevents us from seeing. I will use this, captured from the Olympic Challenger ROV #1 as an example. I recorded this just after 4:00AM CDT on 6 September 2010 directly off of BP's web site, and this is a straight screen capture, altered in no way.

The Oceaneering Millennium ROVs that BP is using for their surveys capture and send up via fiberoptic cable 1080-HD video. That is 1920x1080 pixels, with a full color range and with a full frame rate, which can range between 23.976-30 frames per second if using the standards set up by the ATSC committee.

This calculation will be rough but telling. Let's assume that the ROVs transmit video in a 16-bit colorspace that is the same as the normal mode of a modern PC. That is 16.7 million colors. If you take 1900 pixels width times 1080 pixels height, then multiply that by 16.7 million colors, then by 30 frames per second, you get 1.028052e^15, just over 1 quadrillion data elements per second. Again, this is very rough, since elements such as the video compression used by the ROVs is unknown -- this is assuming no compression, which will actually hurt the comparison in my calculations, but lets just go with that wrong assumption for the sake of ease.

The ROV video feed provided us by BP measures 320x240 pixels in dimension. Taking 320 * 240 and multiplying that by a guess of 32 greyscale levels per frame, and a frame rate of 15fps, we are seeing video which, again without compression, represents 36,864,000 data elements per second, or just under 37 million.

Let's divide the first figure by the second, i.e. the rough data rate of the video BP gets to see versus what they allow us to view. I am cheating and using Google as a scientific calculator since I don't have mine handy, but (1900*1080*16700000*30) / (320*240*32*15) = 27,887,695.3

That is correct -- assuming a 32-level effective greyscale "colorspace" and 15 frames per second in their tiny streaming window, the raw (uncompressed) data rate of the video that BP sees is almost 28 million times higher than that streamed to the public. Again, this is an extraordinarily rough number, but I am confident in its accuracy in terms of order of magnitude. The number of colors the ROV cameras can actually capture at that depth may be limited by the spectrum of light emitted by their floodlights, but there are other factors that would push the exact numbers even more towards my argument. Namely the compression being used, which is minimal between the ROV and mothership due to the high bandwidth afforded by their fiberoptic link, and incredibly higher between that original feed and what you and I see in our web browsers.

Modern digital video compression works on a psychovisual model, i.e. the codec throws away the bytes representing what it believes your eyes and brain are least likely to detect. So video compression, just like the compression in your MP3 audio files, minimizes file size, or in this case the streaming bandwidth, by casting aside the most intricate details to favor of the most noticeable.

All of this goes to say that the operators who drive BP's ROVs and the executives who give them their orders are able to view video which is of such immaculate quality as to be incomparable to what you and I get to behold. What we are allowed to see is literally a thumbnail of the real video, often with the colorspace greatly reduced or changed to greyscale, often with the aspect ratio distorted, always with a reduced framerate, and always with such high compression that we can often not read the on-screen superimposed data such as the date and time.

I'm not claiming that BP gets to see video which is literally 28 million times better than what we do, even though that's what the math says. But they are provided with video from their ROVs which is just as good as that which you see on Monday Night Football. If you don't believe me, view a rare publicly available video for yourself:

www.youtube.com...

Be sure to select the 1080p option and maximize it to full screen or you won't see all that BP saw. That's right -- you can see individual scratches in the paint of their spewing well. The Department of Energy has these feeds, and BP has these feeds. But you and I are limited to viewing a tiny window of blocky, greyscale video like this one. Why? Not because BP is trying to save a few bucks on Internet bandwidth. Because they have things to hide. And have been quite effective in doing so.""""

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Thanks for the post! When I went to Kat's post (no fault of hers) it took me to the video that wasn't good
& I never got the explanation or the good video. I haven't had a chance to really check
it all out yet, but I'm looking forward to it!
I'm probably marked for life now, just returning from BP website & responded to their survey...

Ektar

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The 60's is when the petroleum industry was officially there.

Chech this out:

www.gulfbase.org...

1867 Dredging of deep-sea bottom waters between Florida and Cuba is conducted aboard U.S. Coast Survey ships Corwin and Bibb. This results in many new biological records (Pourtalés, 1863-69).

1875-1878 Lt. Commander Sigsbee explores the Gulf aboard the U.S. Coast Survey vessel Blake. The three cruises of the Blake (1877-1880) become a pivotal event in Gulf exploration. Alexander Agassiz (1888) conducts a study of the structure and origin of coral reefs, and of the distribution of fishes and invertebrates at depths of up to 2000 fathoms. Collections obtained from the Blake expeditions are used in studies of corals, antipatharians, crinoids, crustaceans, echinoderms, hydroids, annelids, mollusks, and many other organisms. (Pourtalés, 1870, 1880; Agassiz 1878, 1883; Clarke, 1879; Ehlers, 1879; Dall, 1880, 1886, 1889).

1932 The Yale oceanographic vessel Mabel Taylor investigates the relationship between the Gulf waters and the Yucatan and Florida Straits (Parr, 1935).

1934 The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) ship Atlantis conducts observations in the Caribbean, Gulf, and adjacent straits (Parr, 1937a, 1937b).


The proverbial "they" are very familiar with the Gulf of Mexico.

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link isn't working - takes me to the top yt vids page

thanks!

I think the Federal Gov owes several of you here on this thread some extra $$$$$$. It seems that the Feds were paying some to monitor the media........well they should have been paying a few of you guys here to monitor what the live feeds

Maybe you should send a bill over to the coast guard.....

testtherain.com...

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What s the Hive you pointed out?
2nd

Originally posted by berkeleygal
reply to post by justadood

 

link isn't working - takes me to the top yt vids page

thanks!

really? it works fine for me.

here's the link, un-embedded: www.youtube.com...

or is it the 'wrong' video?

ed to add: i merely embedded what Kat posted and added the description she referenced.

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works for me now, I was under the impression that it was another clearer video.


While watching that I ran across another video. I am laffing so hard, these people are certified idiots!

Look at the "supposed" baby, it looks like David Letterman's face to me.

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Eerie visions indeed!!!!!!!!
That looks like a mini Dave Letterman too.

For the last week I have only seen 2 or 3 cams on ;^ [
Those evil people are up to something down there

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


It's a build up of hydrates & oil....here's an older photo which is easier to see from 23 July...
notice how they stack up & resemble a hive of bees that may be on the side of a tree or bench...

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Ektar

MUST SEE: “That’s NOT a tar ball, that’s A LAYER OF PETROLEUM” — “It’s in every bit of this water in Gulf Shores” (VIDEO)

Transcript Summary

[ Mayor says no evidence of contamination…

Probably the most pristine fishing area we have…

It’s a solid piece, that’s NOT a tar ball, that’s a layer of petroleum.

It’s in every bit of this water in Gulf Shores, AL.]

Source www.floridaoilspilllaw.com...

Ektar

Well intercept imminent but discussion about Gulf seafood safety, subsea hydrocarbons remains

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[Thad Allen said "seafood safety has loomed large... [but the Gulf seafood is the] most tested and safest seafood in the world, and the rest of the world needs to know that…You should have no qualms about [this] seafood."]

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[ “Four days from now it could be all done,” Allen said, adding that "We’re within a 96-hr window of killing the well” from the bottom.

He said that Development Driller III will begin its last drilling leg into the annulus, into the drill pipe and a well intercept from the relief well into the Macondo well is expected over the next 24 hours. "We don't know whether hydrocarbons are in the annulus or not," he added. "[But] today will give us a lot of information."]

Source www.examiner.com...

Ektar

Today's news..

JUST IN: EPA reveals high levels of cancer-causing heavy metal near area of massive fishkill — GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION CONCERNS

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[The Environmental Protection Agency collected sediment samples on September 3, 2010 in coastal Louisiana and “three samples found nickel in exceedance of chronic aquatic benchmarks, and one sample found both nickel and vanadium in exceedance of chronic aquatic benchmarks.” ]

Source www.floridaoilspilllaw.com...

Ektar

Hi everyone....just wanted to share a video I made with you. I was trying to show what BP did to the Gulf and sea life, then I switched to the way it SHOULD look.....just to show the stark contrast between the two. I put it on you tube because I do not want people to forget what they did to these beautiful creatures....
youtu.be...

Originally posted by Ektar
reply to post by justadood

 

Thanks for the post! When I went to Kat's post (no fault of hers) it took me to the video that wasn't good
& I never got the explanation or the good video. I haven't had a chance to really check
it all out yet, but I'm looking forward to it!
I'm probably marked for life now, just returning from BP website & responded to their survey...

Ektar

OMG I apoligize for not including that....Just really busy that day LOL! Good to see you again honey and GREAT pics!

reply to post by justadood


Thanx Dood....I was in a rush when I posted that....

Originally posted by Cloudsinthesky
I think the Federal Gov owes several of you here on this thread some extra $$$$$$. It seems that the Feds were paying some to monitor the media........well they should have been paying a few of you guys here to monitor what the live feeds

Maybe you should send a bill over to the coast guard.....

testtherain.com...

edit on 15-9-2010 by Cloudsinthesky because: (no reason given)

edit on 15-9-2010 by Cloudsinthesky because: (no reason given)

Wow.....I wish! If they were paying us by the hour, they would owe us a LOT! LOL!

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LOL!!!! Yeah.....let's see....there are steel eating bugs, aliens, demons, the blob and all kinds of stuff down there That's just hilarious!