OBAMA lifts BAN From HIV Positive immigrants entering the US!!!!!!!

reply to post by Silver Shadow


That's another good point. That's so why we need to protect our borders. It's true that illegals are bringing stuff in as well, for one H1N1. IDK, truthfully my own cousin has it, And I really don't hate anybody, I just think the ban was a good idea to keep from having an explosion of cases. I understand you disagree, and I can respect that, but what happens when it is a plague that is spread through the air? Would you think about banning those with the plague? If you can say ban those people then you can at least understand my viewpoint a little bit.

reply to post by Silver Shadow

Diseases that were almost wiped out, (such as Tuberculosis) are coming back, mainly through illegal immigrants.

Of course you state this with no way to back it up.

Foreign born is the correct term and that doesn't tell us if they are illegal or legal.

In 2009, a total of 4,499 TB cases were reported in U.S.-born persons (representing 39.8% of the 11,305 cases with known national origin), compared with 5,282 reported in 2008.

A total of 6,806 TB cases were reported in foreign-born persons in 2009, compared with 7,602 reported in 2008, a decrease of 10.5%.

jama.ama-assn.org...

reply to post by VintageEnvy


Well it certainly hasn't exploded like in some countries. We are doing pretty well with keeping occurences of it down with education, and safe practices at the hospitals, handing out protection and clean needles, I consider us as doing better than a lot of other countries. JMO.

Originally posted by ldyserenity

I am not even worried about that I am in a monogomous relationship going on seventeen years now, I aint even in the market, what I am worried about is the hospitals, etc. I pray to god I never get in a wreck, Or get cancer or need any kind of operation.

What about the hospitals? Can you give a little more detail about what you think would happen?

reply to post by Xtrozero


I have , all throught his thread. What is the major concern for me is cross contamination, for instance someone visiting with HIV gets into a wreck, I get into some kind of accident, they're bleeding, I am bleeding; the nurse leaves room whatever where they are being treated with a minute drop of blood on her hand or gloves or whatever, she thinks she's ok, heck she may not even know the person's status yet; she comes into my room, touches me to examine my wounds, and voila it's in my wound, direct line to my blood stream. Now you have to imagine that of course it would surely have to happen in a short amount of time. But, this is not unheard of. Also with more people being under health coverage via the healthcare bill= hospitals over loaded, nurses and doctors over worked, tired and careless increasing the possibility of accidents. Maybe it may seem crazy or unlikely, but it is not unheard of. Accidents like this can and do happen.

If you had my luck you'd understand. Just imagine Murphy's law to the bizzilionth degree!!!!

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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by ldyserenity

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Why is it that when I read your post it seems you are talking about a zombie invasion...hehe



[edit on 26-6-2010 by Xtrozero]

And I would gladly welcome a zombie apocolypse right now. I always wanted to try that trick they did on Shawn of The Dead, where theytry to blend in with the zombies...in fact I used to ask why no one tried that when I was a kid watching Dawn of theDead, lol.

Ok...nuff off topic lol.

reply to post by Xtrozero

What about the hospitals?

For anyone that isn't aware of antibiotic resistant staph and other infections, this is becoming more and more a major threat to anyone going into a hospital environment esp. compromised by either immune system problems (ie. AIDS, etc.) or major or otherwise trauma.

Most people assume that when they go to a hospital with some sort of skin, or organ infection that they can be cured. Not so anymore, MRSA is now the talk of hospital doctors and staff. Presently 10 to 30% of Staph is antibiotic resistant. The percentage is rising rapidly. And this is becoming more and more of a horror story for our present system of health care.

Other countries eg. Norway has banned antibiotic use except in life saving situations and there MRSA resistance has gone down.

Regarding new strains of AIDS, there is no assurance that new AIDS cases invited into the US will not have a virulent and untreatable strain of AIDS which is resistant to all forms of treatment!

Inviting new, possibly exotic AIDS cases into the country is simply ignoring established principles of disease control.

Why the US allows presidential authority to decide disease control measures is completely ludicrous. Only well trained scientists are capable of such decisions.



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Originally posted by ldyserenity
she comes into my room, touches me to examine my wounds, and viola it's in my wound, direct line to my blood stream.

Yup,
And it is not just the patients at risk in a busy hospital.
Hospital staff get needle stick injuries all the time.
And people that routinely handle blood samples, for tests, are at high risk too.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
You obviously don't know how negligent the healthcare workers are these days, and I guarantee witht he stupid healthcare bill, it's going to be worse. Just see how many people will die because of cross contamination. We stayed this healthy for so long because there was such a ban and that they knew how to keep the cross contamination down when there were so few that had it, but if we get a whole slew of infected people, the care taken will generally slip, and there will be more cross contamination, because they'll be overtaxed. The nurses already work 12 hr shifts now, how about when the hospitals are being overrun by hiv infected people? It's going to be very bad.

You act as though nobody in the US has HIV. You act as if every immigrant is gonna have HIV. You act as if hospitals will be over flowing with HIV positive immigrants. You need to relax and take a chill pill.

Also it's not right to make everything think health care everywhere is bad. Some hospitals and offices no doubt aren't as good as others, so do some research and seek better places to get care.

americans with their hi-rate of aids? a worldwide ban on americans who are hiv-positive should be introduced, not the opposite!

Originally posted by ldyserenity
Oh except the dumb a** comment Obama made, but have we not proven he's even dumber than DUBBYA?!!!

But dubya is the one who started lifting this ban in the first place, what are you talking about? This is last year news!

Well what is wrong with this? A person with HIV is as valuable as anyone else. Now this does not change the fact that immigration should be abolished completely.

reply to post by CanadianDream420

I can't believe there was a ban in the first place...

I may be wrong, but I think that the ban was imposed back when AIDS first started popping up and no one really knew how it spread. The US government banned immigrants with AIDS from entering the country because they didn't want the disease to spread.

The ban just sorta fell by the wayside when the disease was better understood and never repealed. There were even immigrants with AIDS that entered the United States because the ban was forgotten.

reply to post by Gliese581

americans with their hi-rate of aids?

Where do you get that Americans have a high rate of HIV/AIDS? According to UNAIDS, there are 1.2 million people living in the United States with the infection. There are around 310 million people living in the United States.

That comes out to be less than one percent of the population of the US; something like .38%.

Edit to Add: I know this is mainly about travel but it does mention Immigration also in the article... Which leads to my question.

US citizens who marry foreigners must provide a great deal of information to Immigration and Naturalization for their spouse to become eligible to obtain permission to remain in the States (legally) and later to become citizens.

One of the requirements is a clean bill of health, obtained by a US doctor and proof the applicant is free from any communicable disease.

If AIDS is now admissible, what about the people who have other communicable diseases like Hep C, etc.

I'm wondering if it's only people with AIDS care 'acceptable' now, and if so, why leave out the rest of the people with communicable diseases?

Something here sounds mighty strange... (Edit) - Unless it's changed ONLY FOR TRAVEL and NOT for Immigration status as the article leads me to believe.

peace


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reply to post by above


I really hate to be crass, but no, a person with AIDS is not as valuable as any one else. The unfortunate fact is that there is no know cure for AIDS.

Until they find a cure, or at least a way to guarantee the same living standards and life lengths as some one not infected, a person with AIDS is a drain on the economy.

Not to mention that every new person allowed to enter will increase the chance of AIDS spreading. Simple mathematics tells us that.

Now, I don't know about the US, but in Canada if you knowingly pass AIDS or any other permanent STD on to another person, you can and will be charged. That has worked pretty well for us.

reply to post by ldyserenity


Givem hell Idy!

These first two folks that are bashing you? Well, let them go swap bodily fluids with these lovely HIV folks.

Honestly, we need leper colonies back. It worked then, it'll work now. The herd must protect itself.

I'll be flamed in 3,2,1

Personally, I am glad we are coming to our senses on this issue. Sure there's been a great deal of uninformed people here. But the fact is, that we have a low prevalence of hiv infection in the U.S. Heterosexuals are becoming or have become the primary carriers of this disease.

Being HIV positive, I no troubles traveling to any country. I leave my meds behind though. The problem I have is that I cannot immigrate to ANY country of my choice. Not even to frickin Mexico.


I have my own money and my health insurance is accepted worldwide. God dang it, I want to move to Austrailia or New Zealand, but nope, not allowed.

And for the record, we hiv infected persons take our afflictions seriously. Don't sleep around, would always inform my partner and always tell medical personnell straight up I am positive. Even though universal precautions preclude me from having to own up the that fact.

I am no more a threat than the hepatitus carrier serving your food at your favorite dining hole. There's a slew of diseases out there you come into contact with and are completely unaware. Not to mention virus's and bactereria's. Life is a crap shoot.

We carry many virus's within us, like HPV. 70% + of all adults carry it. Just flairs up in only a small percentage of people.

I really want to immigrate, any idea's? As, I'm sure many of you would like to see me leave the country.

Oh by the way MODS, when someone is not gay and uses the slur queer, it is offensive. So please do a better job at editing these hateful comments. I may use bad words, but I would never use the "N" word, get it?

What if there was a ban on American Citizens living abroad who had contracteed AIDS from coming back to the US?

Would your feellings on the issue be different?

Somehow I feel like the world "illegal" in this case is what made you so upset.

This is a ridiculous ban considering the ammount of technology and testing available. How often to you hear of somebody contracting AIDS from the health care industry? By transfusion or otherwise?

It's fairely rare and this certainly won't increase that risk.

~Keeper

Giving serious consideration to kicking ATS to the curb because of threads like this. It's beyond embarrassing and they're growing in number. Not why I came here.

New ATS motto: "Deny ignorance... or embrace it so tightly it suffocates."