What did the Jews do to make Hitler want to kill them?

Wow, I am not sure how people can be so utterly clueless about this subject. I have only seen a few who have gotten this right.

First of all, while jews were not the only victims, they were the ones selectively targeted by the nazi regime. if you happened to be of some other minority and got in the way, you probably met a similar fate.

Secondly, the hatred of jews in europe (and elsewhere) stems from a deep rooted hatred stretching back to the begining of the diaspora (there is also a religous view that jews killed Jesus Christ, however this is not accepted by most Christians because it was understood that it was within God's plan that Jesus would die and it was mankind, not the jews alone, who was ultimately responsible). Charging interest on money was 1 issue. If you read william shakespeare, its quite clear what the attitude was towards jews. Also, jews tend to be highly educated because they have tight knit communities which resulted in better professions. Thus, it was perceived that many jews were wealthy and (as with all top dogs) got a lot of hate because of it.

and last and maybe most important, because they were different.

reply to post by tamusan

I don't believe that there is a predetermined fate or that some events will happen no matter who the players are. I have no reason to think that there were not an infinite number of possible timelines, had hitler been removed from the picture.

That is just silly there was no such thing as an infinite number of possible timelines in a personal or at the time other then the theory of the people watching it from afar, or the opinions of those in the present, and a predetermined fate does not equal other outlines other then what happened. Hitler is irrelevant other then his capacity so surmise the feel the group of the time which was so thick anyone could feel it, even now after years of it being gone people sense it. Even if one removed hitler, the setting remained, there is no predetermined fate but there is a fact that it happened.

Every action we take will set us up for the next action. History is only written as time flows. I don't believe we are nothing more than actors acting out someones script. I have an infinite number of choices to make that will ultimately determine my future, and the future of the world. The same is true of each of us. I am certain that hitler and co made many choices that led to what is now history. Others would have made their path ,and we are not guaranteed the same outcome if hitler had even chosen just 1 thing different at any point in his life.

I have no problem with this exempt the infinite number of choices to make part, there is no such thing as an infinite number of choices unless you are a infinite being, all the choices of the past could be counted and known, all your choices can be known, and also all my choices can be known, same for another there really aren't that many. Only in hindsight we think we could of done differently same as those that think that if they somehow traveled back in to the past of the Spanish inquisition they could of stopped the madness of the day, even if he showed them thing's that would blow there mind, unless he came with a whole army and weapons, most likely he will end up burned at the stake for being a witch, and any magics he had will be ceased and used for the powers that be in that time lines profit.

As I am writing this, I have an infinite number of things I can type, and with them an infinite number of different outcomes. I am not saying that there are an infinite number of timelines existing concurrently. I am saying that there are an infinite number of possible futures that can derive from the immediate present. I am also saying that I do not believe that anything is predetermined from the beginning of time. That's all, nothing more. Nothing less.

ETA:

Let's sum it up simply, ok? You are saying that if Hitler did not rise to power and kill the Jews that someone else would have done it. I am saying that if Hitler did not rise to power and kill the Jews, that anything was possible and nothing was guaranteed to happen just because of our current history.




[edit on 6-7-2010 by tamusan]

reply to post by tamusan


A gazillion does not equal infinite, Wikipedia has this to say about how many words are in the English language and many of these words mean pretty much the same thing the context is different only.

The Global Language Monitor announced that the English language had crossed the 1,000,000-word threshold on June 10, 2009.[70] The announcement was met with strong scepticism by linguists and lexicographers,[71] though a number of non-specialist reports[72][73] accepted the figure uncritically.

That word "Infinite" is not describable it means something that one can never begin to know or understand. But whatever I get your meaning you have many things write but as for an infinite number of futures, on a long enough time line who knows what can happen even infinity. As for predetermination i am predetermined to live and eventually to die one day, same as all others and "On a long enough timeline. The survival rate for everyone drops to zero" so predetermined things exist.

As for your Hitler quote I can only guess based on my knowledge, and if Hitler didn't come to power, I would say there is a 80% chance that pretty much the same kind of events would of happened, because i'm guessing there was a mostly 80% census at the time that they were betrayed by the international Jew and all that/yda yda. Hitler and Jews and everything else in that situation was an excuse for the way lots of Germans felt, and the situations of the time. But if some other leader or fuhrer came in power by some other means other then the hate of a peoples, and other things that Hitler played on to become fuhrer, then its a 70-50 chance to change that scenario from playing out like it did, depending on the will and dedication of the other leader or leaders.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


Oh, I see now. You are arguing the word infinite. Well, I'm bored. The definition of infinite is the topic of the thread? You probably do understand the point I am making and just looking for an argument. I gotcha.

Sayonara!

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reply to post by NightoftheComet


I think your version of history is a little watered down my friend, were is the bit about stealing Palestinian Land and killing them with phosphorous ?

I think its perfectly ok to apply modern day atrocities committed in the name of Israel as a good reason as to why they are not the most popular kid on the block now and use it as an indication of their possible past transgressions....think leopard and spots.

Kill a baby, then through careful control and manipulation of the media make out that the murdered baby was in fact a terrorist in the making and it had to be put down . 99% of the sheep will instantly believe what they are told via the idiot box.

I'm pretty sure you can see through all the completely and utterly controlled media love fest because you made it to here.

People who blindly think that the Jewish race is all for the good of mankind need to watch this .. www.youtube.com... .

Then and only then will it click in your brain that they have socially engineered the west as part of their evil 1000 years old plan. Ever wonder why its bad to be white and good to be black ? ever wondered why the US always fights wars that serve the Israel state ?

I am white and I am proud to be and so should you be if you are white. If you are in on this plan to bring in a one world government controlled out of Jerusalem then you are bad and eventually every now and then someone like Hitler comes along and discovers your plan and sets you back another 100 years.

You watch the Pro-Israel crowd deflect the issue and paint me as a Neo Nazi racist but I am against the New World Order and its progenitors and its clear to me that through their own words and writings they wish to destroy the west and the White Race to achieve this One World Government.

A word of explanation to any African American or Darker skinned person who is reading this as some kind of hate speech...it isn't, its all about waking up as many people to the devious plan.

Hitler saw Jews as a race of devious manipulators, like many others did throughout history. He saw how Germany was controlled by the Jewish bankers, and he wanted to put an end to it.

So he took extreme measures.

But he didn't really try to kill all the Jews on the planet. He wanted them to suffer as slaves in the camps. If he had wanted to simply 'exterminate' them all, then he wouldn't have let them live for years in the camps, and feed them scraps to survive on. A bullet to the head of each Jew would have been easy and quick, if his plan was really for total extermination.

Originally posted by turbonium

So he took extreme measures.

But he didn't really try to kill all the Jews on the planet. He wanted them to suffer as slaves in the camps. If he had wanted to simply 'exterminate' them all, then he wouldn't have let them live for years in the camps, and feed them scraps to survive on. A bullet to the head of each Jew would have been easy and quick, if his plan was really for total extermination.

Would you be a dear and post the order that Hitler gave which authorised these measures? The order to gas the Jews would be a big bonus, if you could find it.

I cannot seem to find it anywhere.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
Would you be a dear and post the order that Hitler gave which authorised these measures? The order to gas the Jews would be a big bonus, if you could find it.

I cannot seem to find it anywhere.

Sorry, but I can't find it either. Maybe it doesn't exist.

Anyone else here who can help Exuberant on this?

reply to post by turbonium


This is actually a very interesting thing that happened in German with the NAZI party.

The NAZI gene cleansing thing actually was an offshoot, or really actually a child of U.S. organizations funded primarily by Rockefeller. The idea at the time was that criminal behavior and stuff was passed down in your genes.

So they started making a list of people who's families had bad histories, and they were planning on sterilizing or killing the people who made the list. Before germany, the U.S. started sterilizing prostitutes and women with unusually large clitorous, as well as skitzophrenics and mentally challenged. Among these circles, it had also been thought of to target races specifically blacks. But it never went that far in the U.S. mostly because of what ended up happening in WW2 and the outcry against genocide afterwards.

Anyways, the movement simulaniously had to do with inner circles of shadowy occult overlords who had supposed occult reasoning behind the matter.

However behind the scenes, what was really going on, was that it was about money. The people who made it happen were after money. This includes bankers, chemical companies, war profiteers, etc.


Companies benefitted from slave labor, as well as desposable human lab rats. Companies made a ton of money off of it, and off of stealing the property of Jews.

Hitler was actually just a spokesman, and he was jacked up on meth along with the NAZI forces. They were opportunists. They would spin or twist anything they could to further their cause. They were essentially the first to really discover the power of lies.

What really made it possible was a deep depression which made people desperate and angry, the NAZIs dramatically improved the economy. If you take a whole country, and murder and steal from half the people, you have twice as much stuff per person.

It doesn't make sense though, that the most evil and manipulative regime in history blames the jews for being evil and manipulative.

reply to post by wiseman3000


They weren't what you claim.

Other regimes have been far worse.

Everyone knows that.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by wiseman3000

 

They weren't what you claim.

Other regimes have been far worse.

Everyone knows that.

explain

I terms of propaganda, I think there are no rivals except maybe North Korea. But how many regimes can you think of that killed over 9 million unarmed innocent men women and children.

I realize there is Sudan, and they those guys are pretty bad too.

reply to post by wiseman3000



Explain why you think the Nazi regime was the worst ever in all of recorded history.

You have yet to do that, and until you do you are not entitled to any sort of rebuttal.

What is mind boggling, is that by their own test, the NAZI's were worse than the most imaginative conspiracy theories about jews. Not that there aren't powerful jews who had a lot of money, that is obvious.

But, if the tables were turned, you could find a whole lot of things the NAZI's did wrong, much worse than the jews were guilty of.

Especially considering the fact that they were prosecuted not because of who they were as individuals, but because of a stereotype that they didn't all fit.

It would be like blaming germanic people for what the NAZI's did, and holding every innocent one responsible. This didn't happen because people who aren't being manipulated heavily can realize the difference.

reply to post by wiseman3000


For murdering millions of innocent people, and looting their stuff. Other regimes have probably done the same thing, but I can't think of any that did it on this scale, help me out?

And not just jews, also blacks, political opposition, activists, homosexuals, gypsies etc.

Posting the wrong thing on this forum would be a capitol offense in NAZI germany.




[edit on 11-7-2010 by wiseman3000]

Originally posted by mazzroth
reply to post by NightoftheComet

 

I think your version of history is a little watered down my friend, were is the bit about stealing Palestinian Land and killing them with phosphorous ?

I think its perfectly ok to apply modern day atrocities committed in the name of Israel as a good reason as to why they are not the most popular kid on the block now and use it as an indication of their possible past transgressions....think leopard and spots.

Kill a baby, then through careful control and manipulation of the media make out that the murdered baby was in fact a terrorist in the making and it had to be put down . 99% of the sheep will instantly believe what they are told via the idiot box.

I'm pretty sure you can see through all the completely and utterly controlled media love fest because you made it to here.

If you hold ethnicities responsible for what their ancestors did at one time or another, you could affectively dehumanize pretty much any race.

Originally posted by wiseman3000
reply to post by wiseman3000

 

For murdering millions of innocent people, and looting their stuff. Other regimes have probably done the same thing, but I can't think of any that did it on this scale, help me out?

You honestly cannot think of a regime which killed more people than the Nazis?

Hmmmm.

I don't believe you.