What did the Jews do to make Hitler want to kill them?

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


Interesting angle there my friend, I never gave it much thought to why there aren't great numbers of Jewish Sports people, fighters, heroes and generally types that throw their life down for king and Country. How ever even in my own Country they seem to infest the Banking and Business world with their cleverness.

I now think I understand why Hitler picked on the Jew ( wrongly I must point out ) and used them as scapegoats to gain more control through hatred. I don't hate the Jew by any means but I can now clearly see through their tendencies to use their influences to gain for them self that this can be construed as being bad.

To anyone who finds my above post offensive think of it like this, to be Anti-Semite is to be against the Semitic Tribes of the Middle East. The West is at war with the Middle East and the fact there aren't any protest's of this happening it can be deducted that we are all for it and hence we condone the actions against the Semitic people of those lands which include the Jew.

There fore we are all Anti-Semites now, so don't single me out as being racist because by your own inaction you are as well. The only difference may be that I am aware I am and perhaps can understand why, whereas you can't.

Here's an explanation to a nearly identical question, posted about a year ago on yahoo answers. The question was 'Why did Hitler hate the jews?' Link below.

'For the same reason that most people of Europe and the US did during the same period in time. If you bother to read about the man, his life, the events he personally took part in and witnessed and view that from the framework of his environment and the general "political correctness" of his day, he'd have been an outcast and an anomaly had he not been anti-Semitic. Add to that his Catholic upbringing and the hate is not only understandable, but should be expected. However, given the number of Jews he enlisted in his rise to power, and the Jews he placed in positions of power both in his government and in NSDAP, it is obvious that he would take advantage of alliances where he could find them, and the Jews of Germany certainly approved and supported his pogroms directed against the Jews of the East. Contrary to the myths, Hitler's most sincere hatred was directed against the Bolsheviks and Communists. Much to the luck of the Western World, the Bolshevik/communist (as opposed to other communist movements) was driven in large part by Jewish leaders.

Oh my god, how politically incorrect is this? Ah, but logical factual analysis often flies in the face of myth and legend, does it not?

If one bothers to even glance at the numbers, Jews represent a minority of those slaughtered by Nazi atrocities. And of the Jews who died, a rather large significant proportion would have died for other reasons during the "racial purification", "social cleansing" and Lebensraum pogroms of the Third Reich. One isn't supposed to take note of such things, however, because the "Never Forget, Never Again" rhetoric and propaganda requires us to forget and ignore what the National Socialists were really doing.

Oh, golly. Watch the thumbs down on this one. I can live with that. The 12 million non-Jews who died in the Concentration Camps and the 60% of Death Camp non-Jew victims mean more to me than a few thumbs down, so I guess I'll risk the condemnation of the facts.

Long live the memory of Konrad Morgen. (If you've never heard of him, stop watching cartoons like "Schindler's List" and start reading history).'

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The following explanation was found at ATS, and I posted a link to the thread:

"As far as the Germans against the Jews. Does everyone know why the Germans hated the Jews?

Well, it dates back to WWI. Before and during WWI, Germany was a safe haven for Jews across the world. Nobody more accommodating to the Jewish population than the German nation. Then during WWI, the Germans kicked the allies butts and came to the peace table offering very generous peace terms, essentially for everything to go back to the way it was before the war. You couldn't get better peace terms than that. Germany wasn't wanting any land or money, only to let bygones be bygones.

Well, the Jews, just having revolted in Russia and also after setting up the Federal Reserve Act in the States, wanted to make Germany socialist. So, what the Jews did, before Europe surrendered to Germany (without losing anything), was they talked America into entering the war, on behalf of the allies so that Germany would not be the victor and they would have a better shot at socialism in Bavaria and the greater Germany. They used their newly found influence with US Banks and industry to pressure the US into war with Germany, after Germany all but won the war.

You have to realize, that up until this time, Germany was our [America's] ally. We even used to have German U-Boats dock in our harbors and we would throw parades for them. At that time, it was unheard of that we would go to war against Germany. They were our friends. Well, with the help of the Jewish owned movie industry (among others) that lobbied the American people, we finally declared war with Germany and wiped their butts with their former so called victory. Then came the devastating treaty after our victory that impoverished Germany and made her lose a lot of territory.

The Germans at the time of the defeat didn't realize what had happened for them to lose the war. They just thought that America had betrayed her. Then, it became public (it was leaked), the agreement between the Britts, German Jews and Americans. The German people couldn't understand why the Jews would sell them out, after Germany was so accommodating to them. The Germans began to turn on their Jewish brothers, and this ultimately helped the Nazi Party seize victory in Germany.

It's not that the Germans hated Jews because they were Jewish, but rather because they had betrayed the German people, making them lose the war and ultimately impoverishing the German nation, only after Germany had all but won the war and offered a very lucrative peace offer to the *allies.

It's all there for anyone to research. It's just that they don't teach us this in public schools because it's seen as anti-jewish. I'm Jewish, and believe me, this isn't some jewish conspiracy, rather it's a zionist conspiracy and what I speak of is absolutely true and verifiable for anyone to research.

--airspoon." www.abovetopsecret.com...


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The END of Hate Speech, subtle or otherwise, on ATS

Just a reminder ....

Semper

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Yes. He was selective to a degree. Hiding targeted murders among mass genocide is brilliant. But don't forget that Hitler was a proxy, installed to be a figurehead. He worked for someone. Took orders from someone. Who?

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I have quoted your post as this highlights peoples blinkered response to Jewish influence and the same ignorant conclusions amongst the anti semites of today and in ww Germany.
I would hazard a guess that plenty of christians and muslims are amongst the USA political appointed?
But we see people singling out the Jewish element to fit all manner of silly conspiracy theories.
Most of those cited are Jewish by family tradition ie Polish/german immigration to the USA, it doesnt mean they actively are following any jewish orders or goals.
There are probably lots of Hindus and Islamists/scientologists/buddhists in american politics, not to mention the Lutherans.....lets focus on them?
We should be more concerned about China and Russia.

reply to post by mazzroth



Ya I never thought about it but your list of the people that were in those administrations was true, and look what criticizing them accomplishes apparently it's a no no, so much for free speech on this site. That whole basketball thing was in answer to some off the life observations off a situation with antijews or antisemitism as its called now that came in question years ago . It was the same thing why do Jews go into politics and I answered why do black folks want to be basketball players. It's like they haven't read a history book as in ever. Or have never read of the silk road of which the middle east and Semites were the epicenter of the trade from the east to the west and north, I mean the romans didn't take over Judea because they liked sand and bickering over religion, what would one expect of a people that for thousands of years the way of life was one of bartering and political affiliations or religious sects as it was called then. But it's not about the Jews they are just an excuse, its about the powers that be. And apparently one cant criticize them, so now i'm thinking to get baned and go to some other site the internet is yet vast.

It wasn't a matter of what someone or group of people did. There is an ancient Chinese proverb that says. Don't seek to know the answers, but to understand the questions. This question is the wrong question. "What did the Jews do?" It should be "Why do certain societies or segments of societies hate or dislike other certain peoples without any obvious provocation or reason?" One of the other replies was dead on, when it stated that there were many groups that the Nazi's hated and killed, gay and gypsy to name just two. The OP is almost asking 'what did that woman do to deserve to be raped?" or "What did that elderly couple do to deserve to be robbed' or 'What did that child do to deserve to be placed in a bad foster home.' These are wrong questions based in ignorance.

reply to post by davidmann


You make a good point everybody want's to say this and that happened from ww1 and 2 but at the end of the day its more about business as usual, And not only did the Germans think that the Americans were there friends, instead of just business partners. But so was Hitler he admired the american system and was pen pals with lots of influential Americans like henry ford, if one reads his book and read up on him you begin to see that he wanted Germany to be more like the USA and admired how the USA dealt with the native Americans, his strategy was the same to get rid of the people he didn't like or put then in isolated areas called camps.

In fact the whole plan of ww2 was originally to unite with Russia and eventually after Europe to invade the north Americas, thats why the Japanese ambassadors were in Russia and told Hitler to make peace with the Russians and not break any treaties, and that is what lead to the downfall of Germany it wasn't the allies, they were a wounded dog by the time america came in to rescue Europe, they started a war with the Russians and were losing it was only a matter of time before they were done for. The Americans helped put them down faster, and that is also why some don't want to hear about how america saved Europe they didn't they capitalized on a opportunity. It's like watching two boxers fight then later in the 12th round when they both are spent you step in and knock one guy down and say your the champion and the prize money have to go to you. But whatever if it ended the war more quickly then whatever. Were do the Jews come in to this the rich ones profit the poor ones died, same as all other peoples at the time.

The motto of Israel's spy agency, Mossad, is, according to recently defected Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky: "By way of deception thou shalt do war."

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I think if you work out how they paint themselves as victims to gain sympathy or for their advantage politically/financially then it all becomes clear. The Anglo's Penchant for sympathy and charity is exploited at every turn as we are no different to a Cow in a field...once you work out their weaknesses you can exploit them for your gain for ever.

My understanding is that he was lazy and a poor achiever and was not willing to work hard in life to get what he wanted. He saw the Jewish youngsters working hard and achieving, it made an impact on him, he had someone to blame for his lack of achievement. Later in life he wanted to attend the Vienna Academy of Art but was rejected as he was a poor student and an even worse artist. Once again he blamed the Jews rather that face his own inadequacies. He blamed his art school rejection on a Jewish professor, his mothers death on a Jewish doctor, to make ends meet he cleaned the streets of Vienna in front of expensive homes convinced they were owned by Jews. He refused to face his own failings blaming them on Jews and fueling his hatred,... the rest is history.

He was a small man filled with alot of hatred at a time when many others in Germany were looking for a scapegoat for their troubles,.. he gave them an answer. In a different country at a different time could just as easily been another ethnic or religious group. It has happened throughout history and I foresee a time in the future when the same hatred will be leveled at other ethnic and religious groups,... it will happen again.

To think he was just a madman is shortsighted, to some extent we all carry prejudices or in some instances even hatred towards others. Many also blame other races and religions when the problem is within themselves but they are too cowardly to face it. When we see the source of his madness but refuse to recognize it within ourselves we risk history repeating itself again.

Be at peace and judge yourself not others.

reply to post by slane69



So your saying he sucked at being an artist and had a crappy job, and was jealous of the rich Jews/people, so when he became successful and rich and the dictator of the country, he had his revenge on the slights of the past, or perceived slights. Actually that makes sense it has happened before many times those that were slighted, then became successful took revenge on the people that slighted them or oppressed them. I know it happened to a lot of the Caesar's that came to power they had some creative and brutal way's of revenge, also the senators that were slighted and many others though out history it's very human so I could see this being a big factor. That makes sense in a way but one also has to take into account the time and era, and it was after ww1 there were a lot of people out of work in fact some were starving, the economy was in the dump if you weren't rich before the war then you were way worser off then before, and the country would have to pay tribute of an arm and a foot to Britain and the other powers, so basically it was turning in to a slave state by way of losing the war, and its not like Hitler or the German people didn't have cause to hate the international powers that be they were a very nationalistic peoples in fact in those time all country's were. And the face at the time of the corporation of global change was the rich banks and Jews that got rich of Germany, first by the fact that the german's were one of the few country's at the time which would even let the Jews do there thing, and second by the fact that unlike the Germans the rich Jews that were bankers had no allegiance to Germany or the common wealth, only to the banks and the money. Basically the first real international corporate entity, one of pure credit, that the others that came after were modeled out off.

Put those events in the pot called Germany, and give it a little time and it would stir itself, and when the people start losing jobs and going hungry, and when the economy hit the toilet then, things would be set in motion. All it would take is for the # to hit the fan and i think a hopeless situation like that would do. So if one thinks about it what would the people do, yup look for a way out off being a dept slave, and paying tribute. So therefore go on the war path, and like all wars all it needed is a big excuse, and the Jews were basically there for everybody to blame, after all one group of Jew's is the same as all Jew's, like one Cristian is the same as all Christians, or a Muslim is the same as all Muslins. It was the perfect time for chaos, the whole country was boiling under the surface. What happened is war and millions of deaths. the logical conclusion to the events that preceded. I got to say I feel very little pity for the Germans or any others I mean ya death camps and all that, but they brought it on themselfs. I really cant blame any entity at the time, they were all guilty. And a logical conclusion to that human expansion of the mind and hubris and old dead concepts era. Now what the hell do aliens or other powers have to do with those events, cause some things just don't make sense.

I often heard that it is because he thought they kept him out of art school. My theory had always been that most people in Europe didn't have much love for Jews during those times, and that he used this to grab control of Germany.

Actually, I'm pretty certain the man was even crazier than I am.

Originally posted by tamusan
I often heard that it is because he thought they kept him out of art school. My theory had always been that most people in Europe didn't have much love for Jews during those times, and that he used this to grab control of Germany.

Actually, I'm pretty certain the man was even crazier than I am.

If thats the case then whoever stopped him from becoming an artist would of been better off and less people would of died. But it looks like he decided to become dictator/fuhrer and give up on being an artist, from the time it looks like he was a better dictator then an artist, but was a not so good military strategist. I wonder if the circumstances would of been different and he got all he wanted like being an artist and a better job, would he become the fuhrer and lead Germany in to war. But then again the environment and atmosphere are more important, then the man. Germany was ready to blow it just needed the fuse. Most likely in a parallel universe were Hitler got his wishes when young and lived a more artful life. Then instead of him being the fuhrer, some other guy became the dictator if Germany was still in those circumstances, and if the other guy was a better warleader then most likely the universal language is German in that parallel universe.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


I'd like to think that there would have never been a dictator in Germany, or at least not one so messed up in the head. The way I understand history is that Hitler and a few of his loyal lapdogs orchestrated every single event that led to him taking total control.

You could also be very correct in your assumption. The conditions were right for setting up a dictatorship in Germany during those times. If Hitler didn't take control, then who would have? Or would someone else have been elected that would have respected the government as it was, and worked the nation through the hard times?

The German people bought Hitler's vison of utopia hook, line, and sinker. They jumped on any promise of a better tomorrow when they blindy followed Hitler. If there was someone else who had the sociopathic ability to charm the sheep, and an interest in being at the top of totalitarianism, that person could have have walked in the steps if Hitler did not.

The what could have been's can make you crazy. I've asked myself a few times a week if I would drive a money pit of a range rover now, if I had never totalled my bimmer. Who knows really? If Hitler sat around in a studio all day, instead of waging war, would someone had taken his place? Who knows really?

What is clear from some of the posts is that the sentiment that led to the holocaust was not unique to the Nazis.
What made it so horrfic in scale was that it coincided with modernism.
Just like World War I was so devastating that it killed millions in a day, so the holocaust was the first mechanized genocide.
At a time when factories became truly efficient, it used assembly line death technology. It also had contacts with modernist companies like IBN, and supplied slave labor to several others.
So the holocaust was the unholy meeting of prejudice and modern technology.
For many post-modern theorists, the holocaust killed the dream of modernism - the idea that mechanized progress would always benefit mankind. Instead, progress led to death factories.

Conversely, post-War society became increasingly influenced by Nazi aspects in advertising and propaganda. Some warned that we are living in a Nazi-like post-war state, and although its obvious symbols were banned, its science merged into post-War society.

reply to post by tamusan

I'd like to think that there would have never been a dictator in Germany, or at least not one so messed up in the head. The way I understand history is that Hitler and a few of his loyal lapdogs orchestrated every single event that led to him taking total control.

Ah but thats just the thing the powers that come in to play have no control of the past events, if any do they would not be human because to have total control of any event in the past means to have total control of the present, and somehow I don't think Hitler planed to shoot himself and his girl in a dirty bunker while the Russians were blowing shint up left and right above him. So Hitler and his lapdogs did what all others would of done in those situation's they didn't orchestrate anything in the past that lead to there situation, they were just floating on the river of change that lead to there present opportunity to come in to power, they but capitalized on the events that were unfolding at the time and the peoples emotions, its done today everywhere you look from the media, to just mundane things, to the company's that want to sell its product by commercials. It's all the same thing, only on different scales "Supply and Demand". If there is no demand then no one can convince anyone to buy, therefore no suppliers. You didn't buy that beamer because you like paying high maintenance and insurance, and after the lady's or lady came and its shininess wears off, then it just becomes a thing that gets you from point A to point B. A different kind of money pit is supplied.

You could also be very correct in your assumption. The conditions were right for setting up a dictatorship in Germany during those times. If Hitler didn't take control, then who would have? Or would someone else have been elected that would have respected the government as it was, and worked the nation through the hard times?

Different situations with different peoples or mind frames lead to different events, but in some situations it always comes out pretty much the same. Some one else would of taken control I would guess it would depend on the will of the individuals that came forward, but when people panic and begin to go hungry and have cause for slights sooner or later it would boil to the surface, it always does even in trivial things like if in relationships most time its trivial things that reminds one of what the actual truth of the matter, that set's one off not the actual truth.

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Teach men to fish and they will fish the oceans of all fish eventually.
Teach them to make fire and they will set them selfs on fire and others.
Teach them to influence others and they will influence others for there good, but not always the one being influenced good.
Teach them to live off the planet and they will strip the planet dry if not careful.
Teach them to become invisible and oh what things they will do when no one can see.
Teach them how to set the air on fire in a moderate expanse by way of scientific explanation atomic particles, and they will set each other on fire if not maintained.

So the holocaust was the unholy meeting of prejudice and modern technology. For many post-modern theorists, the holocaust killed the dream of modernism - the idea that mechanized progress would always benefit mankind. Instead, progress led to death factories.

Yes you are correct, Progress does not equal all encompassing benefits It just equals benefits, the encompassing part might come or might not.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


I don't believe that there is a predetermined fate or that some events will happen no matter who the players are. I have no reason to think that there were not an infinite number of possible timelines, had hitler been removed from the picture. Every action we take will set us up for the next action. History is only written as time flows. I don't believe we are nothing more than actors acting out someones script. I have an infinite number of choices to make that will ultimately determine my future, and the future of the world. The same is true of each of us. I am certain that hitler and co made many choices that led to what is now history. Others would have made their path ,and we are not guaranteed the same outcome if hitler had even chosen just 1 thing different at any point in his life.